991 GT3 RS sensible time to buy ?
Discussion
I think that the 991.1 RS will stay around the £200k -£250k mark and the 991.1 gt3 will stay where the are.
I reckon that 991.2 GT3's will be around £200k and the manuals will be anywhere between £200k - £300k ( could probably start a whole discussion on that alone!) and will effect the prices of the 911R as that will no longer be the ultimate manual
Manuals are built later in the year so at least 9 months before delivery and the flippers appear.
I think that the RS's will be £300k+ as if the rumours are correct it will be the last ultimate GT3 with the engine the way round it is and next generation will be mid engine so will only make residuals better.
One of my customers has been on the list for a 991.2 RS for 4 years and doubts it will be here until late next year as the 918 customers will get theirs first and they are still testing and not even a lap time yet.
I am trying to get him to order PTS Riviera blue or Grigio Telesto
Dealers will have big margins in these if they actually own them but imagine a lot are SOR and they will work on a big commission without having the worry of a changing market and them risking loosing money and the 1 owner cars who would have only paid £150k - £160k new will still be making a lot of money so can price them to sell.
I reckon that 991.2 GT3's will be around £200k and the manuals will be anywhere between £200k - £300k ( could probably start a whole discussion on that alone!) and will effect the prices of the 911R as that will no longer be the ultimate manual
Manuals are built later in the year so at least 9 months before delivery and the flippers appear.
I think that the RS's will be £300k+ as if the rumours are correct it will be the last ultimate GT3 with the engine the way round it is and next generation will be mid engine so will only make residuals better.
One of my customers has been on the list for a 991.2 RS for 4 years and doubts it will be here until late next year as the 918 customers will get theirs first and they are still testing and not even a lap time yet.
I am trying to get him to order PTS Riviera blue or Grigio Telesto
Dealers will have big margins in these if they actually own them but imagine a lot are SOR and they will work on a big commission without having the worry of a changing market and them risking loosing money and the 1 owner cars who would have only paid £150k - £160k new will still be making a lot of money so can price them to sell.
kev.vr6 said:
I think that the 991.1 RS will stay around the £200k -£250k mark and the 991.1 gt3 will stay where the are.
I reckon that 991.2 GT3's will be around £200k and the manuals will be anywhere between £200k - £300k ( could probably start a whole discussion on that alone!) and will effect the prices of the 911R as that will no longer be the ultimate manual
Manuals are built later in the year so at least 9 months before delivery and the flippers appear.
I think that the RS's will be £300k+ as if the rumours are correct it will be the last ultimate GT3 with the engine the way round it is and next generation will be mid engine so will only make residuals better.
One of my customers has been on the list for a 991.2 RS for 4 years and doubts it will be here until late next year as the 918 customers will get theirs first and they are still testing and not even a lap time yet.
I am trying to get him to order PTS Riviera blue or Grigio Telesto
Dealers will have big margins in these if they actually own them but imagine a lot are SOR and they will work on a big commission without having the worry of a changing market and them risking loosing money and the 1 owner cars who would have only paid £150k - £160k new will still be making a lot of money so can price them to sell.
I still think there are too many cars (overall in that price bracket) and too much cheap money as well as the U.K. Will imo go down the drain thanks to brexit, so all of the above is one possibility but I can just as easily see one where these cars are suddenly worth rather less. And I personally think you should not buy a car with a view that it will make or hold moneyI reckon that 991.2 GT3's will be around £200k and the manuals will be anywhere between £200k - £300k ( could probably start a whole discussion on that alone!) and will effect the prices of the 911R as that will no longer be the ultimate manual
Manuals are built later in the year so at least 9 months before delivery and the flippers appear.
I think that the RS's will be £300k+ as if the rumours are correct it will be the last ultimate GT3 with the engine the way round it is and next generation will be mid engine so will only make residuals better.
One of my customers has been on the list for a 991.2 RS for 4 years and doubts it will be here until late next year as the 918 customers will get theirs first and they are still testing and not even a lap time yet.
I am trying to get him to order PTS Riviera blue or Grigio Telesto
Dealers will have big margins in these if they actually own them but imagine a lot are SOR and they will work on a big commission without having the worry of a changing market and them risking loosing money and the 1 owner cars who would have only paid £150k - £160k new will still be making a lot of money so can price them to sell.
Tom Hartley Jr has just sold a GT3 RS before advertising it which presumably means it was cheap
https://twitter.com/TomHartleyjnr/status/886874678...
That looks very much like Richard Hammond's old car which Romans sold in April
https://twitter.com/RomansCars/status/857208810292...
Be interesting to know where Mr Hartley did the deal on that...he's clearly no fool when it comes to buying and selling cars.
https://twitter.com/TomHartleyjnr/status/886874678...
That looks very much like Richard Hammond's old car which Romans sold in April
https://twitter.com/RomansCars/status/857208810292...
Be interesting to know where Mr Hartley did the deal on that...he's clearly no fool when it comes to buying and selling cars.
Having gone through the rigmarole of selling a UV 2016 car, i can honesty say, 1 out of 10 traders will write you a cheque for these cars, they love to say 'oh we have potential buyers' 'so we can SOR for you' but the truth of the matter is, a trade bid on my car was at £180-190k..... with the right spec, and 1600 miles.. now ponder on that!
I love the cars and only sold as i wasn't prepared to loose £30,40k , with having to pay overs also made o% sense, im now in a GT3 and can sleep at night
I love the cars and only sold as i wasn't prepared to loose £30,40k , with having to pay overs also made o% sense, im now in a GT3 and can sleep at night
cormeist said:
Having gone through the rigmarole of selling a UV 2016 car, i can honesty say, 1 out of 10 traders will write you a cheque for these cars, they love to say 'oh we have potential buyers' 'so we can SOR for you' but the truth of the matter is, a trade bid on my car was at £180-190k..... with the right spec, and 1600 miles.. now ponder on that!
I love the cars and only sold as i wasn't prepared to loose £30,40k , with having to pay overs also made o% sense, im now in a GT3 and can sleep at night
I love the cars and only sold as i wasn't prepared to loose £30,40k , with having to pay overs also made o% sense, im now in a GT3 and can sleep at night
Cormeist did you sell it recently?
I don't get the depreciation worries on the 991 RS. It seems some people who buy them are less well off than most who buy standard 911's and Caysters. Everyone who walks into a Porsche dealer to buy a none GT product is going to experience depreciation and quite a lot of it. Owning a new Cayman S for 3 years will cost what, 25-30k in interest and depreciation yet the buyer of a used 991 GT3RS is concerned that they'll lose 10-20k.
Perhaps it's not less well off but tighter or more politely, spoilt?! Perhaps just too used to not making a loss hence no longer buying it for the right reasons which is a huge shame.
The 991 RS was what? £137k new plus options so under 160k all in for a very well spec'd car. GT4's are not far off list now, some only 5k above. There is still huge margin in the RS if lucky enough bought new so putting some miles on them would have you nowhere near list for ages.
If buying used, I don't see them bombing in price at all. The 991.1 GT3 is still commanding well above list, £130k average after what 4 years, helping to bolster the RS further and with the new 991.2 with that special motorsport unit being probably on or above 200k I see the 991RS at a fairly stable buy at 180k.
Furthermore, as it's so obvious, I think Porsche knows it's pushing the limits with production numbers and they'll not be wanting this situation with huge numbers on the used market as we see it across Europe. I think less 991.2 GT3's and RS' will be made imo. Finding proper homes with people who actually want them for so many expensive models is unsustainable imo.
Perhaps it's not less well off but tighter or more politely, spoilt?! Perhaps just too used to not making a loss hence no longer buying it for the right reasons which is a huge shame.
The 991 RS was what? £137k new plus options so under 160k all in for a very well spec'd car. GT4's are not far off list now, some only 5k above. There is still huge margin in the RS if lucky enough bought new so putting some miles on them would have you nowhere near list for ages.
If buying used, I don't see them bombing in price at all. The 991.1 GT3 is still commanding well above list, £130k average after what 4 years, helping to bolster the RS further and with the new 991.2 with that special motorsport unit being probably on or above 200k I see the 991RS at a fairly stable buy at 180k.
Furthermore, as it's so obvious, I think Porsche knows it's pushing the limits with production numbers and they'll not be wanting this situation with huge numbers on the used market as we see it across Europe. I think less 991.2 GT3's and RS' will be made imo. Finding proper homes with people who actually want them for so many expensive models is unsustainable imo.
Fokker said:
I don't get the depreciation worries on the 991 RS. It seems some people who buy them are less well off than most who buy standard 911's and Caysters
That's quite some statement! I'm sure it's not just the 'poor folk' who want to try and avoid depreciation if possible!Wondering when to best time the purchase of a car for which the asking prices have fallen some 60k in 12 months, that is significantly above list, when the newer version is coming out and in a softening economic climate is hardly a characteristic of "being less well off".
I'd say it's cautious. Perhaps overly, admittedly.
Edited to say - your car is absolutely gorgeous!!! Nice one.
Salamander1978 said:
Fokker said:
I don't get the depreciation worries on the 991 RS. It seems some people who buy them are less well off than most who buy standard 911's and Caysters
That's quite some statement! I'm sure it's not just the 'poor folk' who want to try and avoid depreciation if possible!Wondering when to best time the purchase of a car for which the asking prices have fallen some 60k in 12 months, that is significantly above list, when the newer version is coming out and in a softening economic climate is hardly a characteristic of "being less well off".
I'd say it's cautious. Perhaps overly, admittedly.
Edited to say - your car is absolutely gorgeous!!! Nice one.
Maybe it's because these are second and third cars where we're losing so much in the Cayennes and don't want to lose on the weekend stuff too.
Seen this
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a10283723/991...
£200k GBP + $45k isnt 'that' much for a 911 R 'RS' and I wouldnt say its destroyed its value.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a10283723/991...
£200k GBP + $45k isnt 'that' much for a 911 R 'RS' and I wouldnt say its destroyed its value.
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