400 Clutch fork problem

400 Clutch fork problem

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JJREED

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56 posts

109 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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An unusual clutch problem, Replaced the entire innards of the clutch including upgrading the release arm for a strengthened one (TVRQ005), new slipped pads and a new (plastic) release bearing. All the parts look identical (Except the release fork) to the ones that came out.
All goes well for the first 300 or som miles, then the clutch goes completely solid. Took the clutch apart and the slipper pads have slipped through the end of the release bearing, chewing up the release bearing in the process). The set up looks a little odd, like the release arm is about 5 mm too long, and the pins that the slipper pads pivot on are past, or at least level with the end of the track that the pads run in, thus resulting in the force being put right on the end of the track which clearly limits the life. Thinking I've been unlucky I order another release bearing and put it all back together again. The setup appears to the the same, I'e the fork looks like it's a little too long. But----I can't see anything wrong so it must be designed like that, put it all back together and this time get 10 miles before the fork again slips off the release bearing. I'm am going mad!!! I wouldn't have though it possible to make a level too long - They're pressed steel. Any ideas????

Pupp

12,246 posts

273 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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I've got a fork to hand if you need some measurements to compare - just let me know which ones

JJREED

Original Poster:

56 posts

109 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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Tank you I might take you up on that offer - Once I get the damn fork out of the housing. Again!!!
Seems like the fork is too long, of the ball bent?

Sardonicus

18,966 posts

222 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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Why have you discarded the factory metal release bearing and carrier ?

JJREED

Original Poster:

56 posts

109 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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To my knowledge I haven't....I rebuilt the gearbox replaced the clutch, master cylinder etc. with new, replaced the release bearing with the same as I took off, but new, which was plastic.

Fork dimension is 81mm from centre of cup (where the pivot bolt engages) to centre of the slipper pins. I think this is about 5mm too long. Does anyone know of a shorter version available?

Steve_D

13,749 posts

259 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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We (Southways) have seen the same problem with the plastic bearing carrier.
Bin it and go back to a metal one.

Steve

JJREED

Original Poster:

56 posts

109 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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Really. Twice in 1000 miles, second only lasting 10 miles?? The one that cam out had done 10k and there wasn't a mark on it. I'm sure the fork is too long - It just doesn't look like it will work - the slipper pads are all the way out the bearing carrier when assembled under load.

stevesprint

1,114 posts

180 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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JJREED said:
Replaced the entire innards of the clutch including upgrading the release arm for a strengthened one (TVRQ005), new slipped pads and a new (plastic) release bearing....
I strongly suggest you go back to using the metal bearing carrier.

JJREED

Original Poster:

56 posts

109 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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Thanks for all the advice folks but I'm confused about this original metal carrier business. Plastic one came out after 10k mikes. All parts then replaced including fork. Second plastic one lasted 1000 miles. Third one 10 miles. Can't be a coincidence???

QBee

21,009 posts

145 months

JJREED

Original Poster:

56 posts

109 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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Should add that it's a LT77 box. Original clutch with bent fingers / Flat release bearing.

Pupp

12,246 posts

273 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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JJREED said:
Fork dimension is 81mm from centre of cup (where the pivot bolt engages) to centre of the slipper pins. I think this is about 5mm too long. Does anyone know of a shorter version available?
As far as I can tell (not the easiest thing to measure), that is identical to the new reinforced one I have here - was bought for a T5 car but seem to recall they are the same across gearboxes.

Were you saying earlier the big lump bearing carrier is plastic or part of the bearing itself? Have certainly seen bearings with plastic casings but not come across a plastic carrier block (it's not something I would want to see in nyloil or whatever).

You've not re-spaced the height of the pivot by any chance? I got so fed up trying to get the geometry right after changing to a different clutch, that I ended up doing a concentric release conversion

Sardonicus

18,966 posts

222 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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Steve_D said:
We (Southways) have seen the same problem with the plastic bearing carrier.
Bin it and go back to a metal one.

Steve
This ^ cool

stevesprint

1,114 posts

180 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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JJREED said:
Should add that it's a LT77 box. Original clutch with bent fingers / Flat release bearing.
That's the correct combination and you should use flat fingers with the rounded metal bearing, the metal bearing with a metal carrier is good for 100,000 miles.