What do you love about the 996?
Discussion
Jumpingjackflash said:
Where are 996 turbo manual prices just now? I sold mine four years ago and the dealer still has not found a buyer yet. My car was midnight blue and mint. It has 67k miles and full history. The dealer has had it advertised at £50k. I would buy it back but it has not sold so I would not give anywhere near £50k for it.
I'd say mid 30s to mid 40s. You sometimes see them for low 30s.There's still a lot of buzz around air cooled turbo models due to rarity but the market around 996 and early 997 turbos seems a bit flat. The place I bought my car from has had one for sale for over 2 years for £35k. It's high mileage but a manual car in good condition with full carbon pack. I don't know if it's because so many modern performance cars are turbo'd so it's lost a bit of novelty. Either way £50k is very top for one.
From what I've read about the turbo it's just a bit too fast or a bit too hard to give it a good thrashing. I had a blast out and about this weekend and was using maximum throttle for a few spells here and there. I had to think about distances and closing speeds and rush the odd gear change. In a turbo which is a lot quicker would you ever really feel like you are extracting the performance or are you just holding on while it goes into warp.
ATM said:
From what I've read about the turbo it's just a bit too fast or a bit too hard to give it a good thrashing. I had a blast out and about this weekend and was using maximum throttle for a few spells here and there. I had to think about distances and closing speeds and rush the odd gear change. In a turbo which is a lot quicker would you ever really feel like you are extracting the performance or are you just holding on while it goes into warp.
A bit of both... But it can be truly terrifying... A friend had a heavily DMS-ed/Manthey-ed 996T. Closing speeds were similar to being inside the Millennium Falcon as it was entering hyperspace... I'd agree with that, but it depends on your journey types - mine is a daily, so spends a bunch of time kicking about time, at which point it's really ticking over. High geared, so I tend to drive in 3rd a lot rather than a higher gear.
But at least once a week it gets a good thrash, and every few months a big thrash. On the right roads its fantastic, and once you get in the groove you stop hanging onto the wheel quite so much, but I will admit that can happen! On the right road, in 3rd and 4th, it's ridiculously capable - twisty A roads with lots of hills are a favourite - as you attack a twisting climb up the side of the hill, it is frankly insanely quick on boost ... which is all the time, as there isn't much lag and the gears from 2-4 are well spaced
You don't have to wring it's neck out, in fact you feel it tail off after about 5.5K anyway, so it rewards changing up early into the meat of the torque again, which lets you concentrate on driving through the corners rather than trying to change up as you hit the limiter - it doesn't reward that approach because of the way the power curve is shaped
But at least once a week it gets a good thrash, and every few months a big thrash. On the right roads its fantastic, and once you get in the groove you stop hanging onto the wheel quite so much, but I will admit that can happen! On the right road, in 3rd and 4th, it's ridiculously capable - twisty A roads with lots of hills are a favourite - as you attack a twisting climb up the side of the hill, it is frankly insanely quick on boost ... which is all the time, as there isn't much lag and the gears from 2-4 are well spaced
You don't have to wring it's neck out, in fact you feel it tail off after about 5.5K anyway, so it rewards changing up early into the meat of the torque again, which lets you concentrate on driving through the corners rather than trying to change up as you hit the limiter - it doesn't reward that approach because of the way the power curve is shaped
1602Mark said:
Long shot I know but does anyone have an outside 996 cover they no longer want and/or use before I have to buy new please?
Mine sits outside at the moment and I'm going to go without a cover, I've heard/read they're not great for paintwork so just wash the bird s
t off as soon as I spot it. Can't wait until we build a garage!Fast Bug said:
1602Mark said:
Long shot I know but does anyone have an outside 996 cover they no longer want and/or use before I have to buy new please?
Mine sits outside at the moment and I'm going to go without a cover, I've heard/read they're not great for paintwork so just wash the bird st off as soon as I spot it. Can't wait until we build a garage!Cheburator mk2 said:
ATM said:
From what I've read about the turbo it's just a bit too fast or a bit too hard to give it a good thrashing. I had a blast out and about this weekend and was using maximum throttle for a few spells here and there. I had to think about distances and closing speeds and rush the odd gear change. In a turbo which is a lot quicker would you ever really feel like you are extracting the performance or are you just holding on while it goes into warp.
A bit of both... But it can be truly terrifying... A friend had a heavily DMS-ed/Manthey-ed 996T. Closing speeds were similar to being inside the Millennium Falcon as it was entering hyperspace... GT2 a little bit spikier when you're really on it. Rest assured, if you think you have to think about stopping distances and closing speeds in a C2, you'd definitely need to recalibrate your senses altogether driving a mapped and "exhausted" 996 GT2.
Though I can't image what the current crop of 700-800+ hp mid engine supercars require when it comes to "recalibrating" one's senses
GT2 getting a bit loose out back
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s89ENwrebTk
Not a lot space before you clatter the Armco there ...
Slippydiff said:
996T pretty forgiving in the big scheme of things, hopeless stock four pot brakes aside...
GT2 a little bit spikier when you're really on it. Rest assured, if you think you have to think about stopping distances and closing speeds in a C2, you'd definitely need to recalibrate your senses altogether driving a mapped and "exhausted" 996 GT2.
Though I can't image what the current crop of 700-800+ hp mid engine supercars require when it comes to "recalibrating" one's senses
GT2 getting a bit loose out back :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s89ENwrebTk
Not a lot space before you clatter the Armco there ...
Love the obligatory switching on of the windscreen wipers GT2 a little bit spikier when you're really on it. Rest assured, if you think you have to think about stopping distances and closing speeds in a C2, you'd definitely need to recalibrate your senses altogether driving a mapped and "exhausted" 996 GT2.
Though I can't image what the current crop of 700-800+ hp mid engine supercars require when it comes to "recalibrating" one's senses
GT2 getting a bit loose out back
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s89ENwrebTk
Not a lot space before you clatter the Armco there ...
My mate's 996T was fitted with proper 6-pots and Mathey KW's as well as GT3 arms and Manthey's alignment settings, so it was quite pointy. Only thing I didn't like was the lack of fireworks ala GT3 at the top end. Brutally effective though at demolishing roads at silly speeds...
Slippydiff said:
996T pretty forgiving in the big scheme of things, hopeless stock four pot brakes aside...
Exactly this (I love when you post your experience here, I learn a lot from it), I just put new disks and pads, plus fluid, on mine and the brakes just don't give the confidence needed at all. It was a bit of a shock to me, I always thought they would have stunning brakesSadly fixing that costs quite a lot of $$$ I can't justify as I don't plan on doing many track days anymore
Edited by nebpor on Wednesday 30th June 14:25
nunpuncher said:
I thought the brakes on the 996 turbo loaner I had were knackered they were that bad. I'm now wondering if that was just normal.
I doubt it. They should feel firm and brake well from sane speeds. I think Slippy is grumbling about a hard stop from 100+ or doing more than one stop in close succession when they will be retaining some heat form the previous stop.My mate bought a boxster with a sloppy brake pedal. It felt awful to me and I told him so. He tried new pads, new fluid and new flexis and it was still sloppy.
ATM said:
nunpuncher said:
I thought the brakes on the 996 turbo loaner I had were knackered they were that bad. I'm now wondering if that was just normal.
I doubt it. They should feel firm and brake well from sane speeds. I think Slippy is grumbling about a hard stop from 100+ or doing more than one stop in close succession when they will be retaining some heat form the previous stop.My mate bought a boxster with a sloppy brake pedal. It felt awful to me and I told him so. He tried new pads, new fluid and new flexis and it was still sloppy.
They are great cars when fitted with some decent suspension, brakes and a remap/exhaust. By no means the last word in tactility or engagement, but when you want to get from A to B in a hurry, it doesn't really matter when you have that kind of performance at your disposal. The example I briefly owned had Ruf Bilstein PSS9's and a Superchips remap along with a Ruf exhaust to produce 500-520hp .
It was proper weapon, hopeless brakes and all !!
Even a set of decent pads (that'd be RS29's or whatever Pagid now calls them. Marathon/Snickers springs to mind) proper fluid (Castrol SRF or Motul), a set of braided hoses and some big GT3 cooling ducts makes a noticeable difference.
ATM said:
I doubt it. They should feel firm and brake well from sane speeds. I think Slippy is grumbling about a hard stop from 100+ or doing more than one stop in close succession when they will be retaining some heat form the previous stop.
My mate bought a boxster with a sloppy brake pedal. It felt awful to me and I told him so. He tried new pads, new fluid and new flexis and it was still sloppy.
The brakes on the loaner weren't in the least bit soft. First time I floored it I over estimated then and turned myself in to a javelin trying to get the car to slow from triple digits. Even more scary when its not your car.My mate bought a boxster with a sloppy brake pedal. It felt awful to me and I told him so. He tried new pads, new fluid and new flexis and it was still sloppy.
Could have been cheap, glazed or contaminated pads I guess as there weren't any odd noises.
Slippydiff said:
Pretty much sums it up, they're not a light car, and a few hard stops from the speeds a an X50 996 Turbo is easily capable of attaining (in very short order) soon sees a HUGE reduction in efficiency when you're trying to scrub speed off in a hurry. I'm surprised there aren't more snapped brake pedals or cracked bulkheads on 996 Turbos
They are great cars when fitted with some decent suspension, brakes and a remap/exhaust. By no means the last word in tactility or engagement, but when you want to get from A to B in a hurry, it doesn't really matter when you have that kind of performance at your disposal. The example I briefly owned had Ruf Bilstein PSS9's and a Superchips remap along with a Ruf exhaust to produce 500-520hp .
It was proper weapon, hopeless brakes and all !!
Even a set of decent pads (that'd be RS29's or whatever Pagid now calls them. Marathon/Snickers springs to mind) proper fluid (Castrol SRF or Motul), a set of braided hoses and some big GT3 cooling ducts makes a noticeable difference.
I owned this car and put the Ruf exhaust and suspension on it :-)They are great cars when fitted with some decent suspension, brakes and a remap/exhaust. By no means the last word in tactility or engagement, but when you want to get from A to B in a hurry, it doesn't really matter when you have that kind of performance at your disposal. The example I briefly owned had Ruf Bilstein PSS9's and a Superchips remap along with a Ruf exhaust to produce 500-520hp .
It was proper weapon, hopeless brakes and all !!
Even a set of decent pads (that'd be RS29's or whatever Pagid now calls them. Marathon/Snickers springs to mind) proper fluid (Castrol SRF or Motul), a set of braided hoses and some big GT3 cooling ducts makes a noticeable difference.
Is if wrong of me to prefer how a C2 drives? Turbos are properly quick old things, but I never found them as enjoyable as an N/A 996 to drive. More of a grand tourer to demolish the autobahn in as opposed to a b road fun thing.
I'd like to try a GT2. I drive one once, across a car park and in to the showroom. I don't even think I got it in to second gear...
I'd like to try a GT2. I drive one once, across a car park and in to the showroom. I don't even think I got it in to second gear...
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