The 997 Appreciation Thread
Discussion
Terry Winks said:
ATM said:
Filibuster said:
MrJuice said:
I think 10k is as much as I am going to get hassle free
spending £12k today to maybe get £30k in a a couple of monthsMaybe the seller is an odd fellow, or the car has a hidden secret, who knows. As far as I know, the car has been SORN and you couldn't test drive it. At least not since the last discount. This surely didn't help either. I know that grey car is to great interest to ATM
But it is not the one car every other 997 has to compare to. But I'm not informed as profound as others on here regarding values of 997. Anyhow, just had a browse around mobile.de and compared to the continent, prices in the uk are ridiculously cheap. In Germany cars with 150k miles, non oe wheels and work needing to be done to pass TÜV sold privately are up for £30k. And also non runners and accident cars demand as much.
Sukh13 said:
The problem is that 997 values are on the decline more widely.
This CSR .2 which has close to 20k of mods sold for 34k
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2010-porsche-9...
And this OPC maintained .2 with high mileage sold for 24k
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...
In that context get selling a rebuilt .1 in a few months for 30k looks like a low chance...
I said it before: we will be looking at 997 prices like these the same way we are looking back at 964 prices from 20 years ago.This CSR .2 which has close to 20k of mods sold for 34k
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2010-porsche-9...
And this OPC maintained .2 with high mileage sold for 24k
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...
In that context get selling a rebuilt .1 in a few months for 30k looks like a low chance...
I remember looking at 964 ads in the early 00's when the 964 was the cheapest 911 you could buy.
The silver car is incredible vfm. Someone got a real bargain there! This would be a £40-50k in Switzerland/Germany/BENELUX.
How this sold for only £22k is beyond me. Also, there are no buyers premium on CC, or is there?
ETA: ATM just told me 6%+VAT buyers premium. So an other £1.5k on top makes still only for £23.5k
Edited by Filibuster on Friday 17th November 07:31
RDMcG said:
With all those posts about prices and what can go wrong on these (I'm guilty too, mind) thanks for posting these wonderful pics, appreciating what great cars the 997 range has to offer!
Much envy for those big parking spaces, coming just back from the multistorey car park where I have the 997. The places are only 2.50m wide
Happy hibernation to your RS
Terry Winks said:
braddo said:
How do you block the frunk?
Piece of cardboard so it can't shut is easily enough. What are these garages you talk about though? Mine is still full of s
t from a house move a year ago!
It won‘t latch itself unless you press on it or something would fall on it. No need for a piece of cardboard.
My old girls just passed the MFK (Swiss MOT) this morning.
You can read about it in my readers car thread
maz8062 said:
I hear you but the car will become a Frankenstein for its remaining life and selling it on will be very difficult if not nigh on impossible.
An engine displacement increase during an engine overhaul doesn't make a car a "Frankenstein". A Frankenstein would be for instance an impact bumper car with the engine of a 993. In my book, an overhauled engine with an increased displacement by a reputable company is more desirable than a standard car and also more desirable than a standard overhaul.
maz8062 said:
This will be a controversial statement but I see this kind of work, outside of an official Porsche shop ( or collaboration with the likes of Manthey) as on a level with a Honda K swap or an LS swap, Audi etc. In the end, the jump in HP is circa 50 hp and increased torque, performance that can’t be exploited on public roads nor will it have been tested to the same rigorous standards as OEM for track work. But the internet says it’s the best thing since sliced bread - it could be who knows - good luck to them.
You do know what a basic engine overhaul is, right? This is in no way comparable to an LS engine swap (now this is what I call a Frankenstein car).
Stating that only Porsche themselves should cary out work on an engine and if an other company fits 100mm Capricorn pistons instead of oem 97mm ones makes this car a Frankenstein is a weird statement.
There are a dozen of reputable companies in Europe and US who have a great reputation, including track work, but also actual racing. Same applies to part manufacturers. You might find out that Capricorn for instance has some experience with components that get driven on the track
As for street usable power, well, while I do believe that the 3.6 C2 has just enough power to explore in the real world, I wouldn't mind a 3.9l rebuild at all. Its not like a Hartech 3.9 engine is too powerful to be enjoyed on public roads, quite the opposit I'd say.
arkitan said:
Surely the fact that a car has had a full in house Hartech rebuild would count for a lot more than any concerns because it has been bored out?
If/ when my 2005 C2S needs attention, i would be seriously tempted to go that route (although I know the gains are more with the 3.6).
But either way, 997's are still fabulous and under-rated cars IMHO.
Not sure I understand your first sentence. The advertised car, which is lovely btw, doesn't mention an increased capacity.If/ when my 2005 C2S needs attention, i would be seriously tempted to go that route (although I know the gains are more with the 3.6).
But either way, 997's are still fabulous and under-rated cars IMHO.
As you say, going to 3.9l has a much more profound impact if you start with a 3.6l. TBH, I don't know if I would bother starting with a 3,8l, value wise.
ATM said:
RiccardoG said:
Anyone know what the incremental cost of lining 1 extra cylinder is?
Good question. I think their menu pricing talked about machining the block with all 6 for 2950 from memory. You can check their website. What confused me was their 'performance' pistons are sold as a set of 6. I still dont know if you can reuse the old pistons. If a piston has been scraping on the bore and scoring then I'd assume not.
From their website as of March 2024 (with disclaimer regarding fluctuating parts prices).
So potentially only £550 saved
I just went for a short blast on the German Autobahn with my 997 
Nothing to do, only lunch time to kill and so I thought, why not go for a drive as long as there is still an unrestricted German Autobahn. My car turns 20 years old next month (does anyone know where I can get the date of birth other than the official birth certificate from the opc?) and is a vanilla 3.6 C2. How well it picks up speed, also above 100 mph, is incredible. Shifting through the gears and giving it full throttle in 2rd until the red line, repeat in 3rd and 4th hitting 125 mph in that gear is phenomenal. Yes, there are many cars faster but not many that are more fun to do so.
Nothing to do, only lunch time to kill and so I thought, why not go for a drive as long as there is still an unrestricted German Autobahn. My car turns 20 years old next month (does anyone know where I can get the date of birth other than the official birth certificate from the opc?) and is a vanilla 3.6 C2. How well it picks up speed, also above 100 mph, is incredible. Shifting through the gears and giving it full throttle in 2rd until the red line, repeat in 3rd and 4th hitting 125 mph in that gear is phenomenal. Yes, there are many cars faster but not many that are more fun to do so.
When I started this thread over 6 years ago, I intended to create a thread to celebrate what great of a car the 997 is.
Unfortunately, almost every post has become a discussion about prices and/or bore scoring
A manual Carrera 2 GTS is the epitome of the 997 generation. And a good spec with low miles like the one posted by ATM car will always comm and a high price. IMHO, a manual C2 is all the 997 you ever need, seems he thinks so too
Unfortunately, almost every post has become a discussion about prices and/or bore scoring
A manual Carrera 2 GTS is the epitome of the 997 generation. And a good spec with low miles like the one posted by ATM car will always comm and a high price. IMHO, a manual C2 is all the 997 you ever need, seems he thinks so too
ATM said:
maz8062 said:
Although a great car with tasteful mods, as it is not a named manufacturer spec the insurance will be through the roof if the mods are declared. Mine went from £550 to £2200 with the mods declared.
My 996 CSR is way less on an agreed value classic policy.
740EVTORQUES said:
It was too wet to drive my track car yesterday so I took my 997.1 C2s to Silverstone for a track day for the first time.
Wow, what a thing! That a nearly 20 year old Porsche can stand up to lapping the GP circuit without anything more than a quick check on fluids, wheel bolt torque and tyre pressures is a testament to engineering. I kept it to 5-6 laps at a time to save the brakes and they remained strong throughout.
The car was set up some time ago by Chris at Center Gravity and handled beautifully, so neutral and easy to finesse on the limit of grip, and the sound of that early engine really bring wrung out in a way you can’t easily do on road safely is addictive.
I’ve got a GT3 itch now!
Wow, what a thing! That a nearly 20 year old Porsche can stand up to lapping the GP circuit without anything more than a quick check on fluids, wheel bolt torque and tyre pressures is a testament to engineering. I kept it to 5-6 laps at a time to save the brakes and they remained strong throughout.
The car was set up some time ago by Chris at Center Gravity and handled beautifully, so neutral and easy to finesse on the limit of grip, and the sound of that early engine really bring wrung out in a way you can’t easily do on road safely is addictive.
I’ve got a GT3 itch now!
I think the biggest factor why my 997 is in good nick, especially so for the mileage, is how it used. Not only by me, but also by the owner before (I'm just the 3rd owner from new).
We both used the car mainly for long distances. This is not only good for the engine -because it has done way less heat cycles- but also for the seats.
Dragging your bum in and out of the seat is what wears the seat bolsters. Merely sitting there for a 2 hour stint mainly compresses the bottom bolster, which you can clearly see on mine. I might buy a new foam pad from Porsche and get it fitted.
Also the car sleeps in a garage (and has been with the previous owners as well) and thus is not subject to UV light and temperature fluctuations.
This coupled with a leather conditioner from time to time and not being a powerfully built company director (and neither has the former owner been one) equates in an interior that looks much younger.
Also look at the key hole surrounding for instance. I bet you there are many 60k miles car that has been started (and this climbed into and gotten out of) more often than mine with 3x the miles.
We both used the car mainly for long distances. This is not only good for the engine -because it has done way less heat cycles- but also for the seats.
Dragging your bum in and out of the seat is what wears the seat bolsters. Merely sitting there for a 2 hour stint mainly compresses the bottom bolster, which you can clearly see on mine. I might buy a new foam pad from Porsche and get it fitted.
Also the car sleeps in a garage (and has been with the previous owners as well) and thus is not subject to UV light and temperature fluctuations.
This coupled with a leather conditioner from time to time and not being a powerfully built company director (and neither has the former owner been one) equates in an interior that looks much younger.
Also look at the key hole surrounding for instance. I bet you there are many 60k miles car that has been started (and this climbed into and gotten out of) more often than mine with 3x the miles.
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