The 997 Appreciation Thread
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teddosan said:
hooneybadger said:
Manual 997.2 Turbo. Don't see many of these. Perfect colour for it too imo.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303034...
Wow... these have really gone up recently. I remember seeing one at RPM about 18 months ago for around £75k and thinking that was expensive. I guess I was wrong. As usual, where cars are concerned, tbf!https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303034...
SL550M said:
ATM said:
Zumbruk said:
SL550M said:
That is 'king gorgeous.
ooid said:
Just had a random browse on AT, for only 997 Carrera S.. 11 out of 121 cars had been advertised with engine rebuild of some sort.
I found this one on here. I'm not interested in the car myself but just alarming to see such a low mileage car needing a rebuild. And it is not a tip as these need rebuilding more often - or so I am led to believe. In the blurb they dont outright say rebuild but they do say this which must mean a rebuild of some sort -
Advert Blurb said:
The car recently has had work at Hartech who have fitted a new IMS bearing and have undertaken work to remedy bore scoring, a very common issue in low mileage cars.
Is that right - lower mileage means rebuild more likely?https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14530783
ATM said:
ooid said:
Just had a random browse on AT, for only 997 Carrera S.. 11 out of 121 cars had been advertised with engine rebuild of some sort.
I found this one on here. I'm not interested in the car myself but just alarming to see such a low mileage car needing a rebuild. And it is not a tip as these need rebuilding more often - or so I am led to believe. In the blurb they dont outright say rebuild but they do say this which must mean a rebuild of some sort -
Advert Blurb said:
The car recently has had work at Hartech who have fitted a new IMS bearing and have undertaken work to remedy bore scoring, a very common issue in low mileage cars.
Is that right - lower mileage means rebuild more likely?https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14530783
Low mileage due to only a few long trips: no
What really "kills" an engine is heat cycles. Much of the wear occurs in the warm up phase. Much less wear occurs when the engine runs in it's optimal thermal range and everything is well oiled.
Also the wear on the interior can be much worse in a low mileage car that has been dailied for only a short commute.
Getting in and out of the seats wears the bolsters, etc.
ATM said:
Is that right - lower mileage means rebuild more likely?
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14530783
It can happen at any stage.https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14530783
Our first 997 ( a 2004 C2S) needed a new engine at just 8000 miles, about 1000 miles after we bought it at a year old (and, in hindsight, already showing signs of bore scoring with first owner complaining of heavy oil consumption and sooty n/s tailpipe.
Our second one had pre-emptive build and upgrade to 4.1 at 67K (we bought it with 6K on the clock) and, while symptom free, had scoring in 6 (albeit early).
teddosan said:
Wow... these have really gone up recently. I remember seeing one at RPM about 18 months ago for around £75k and thinking that was expensive. I guess I was wrong. As usual, where cars are concerned, tbf!
Things have obviously gone up in the last 18-24 months, plus there's the Hexagon tax to consider, but imagine there has been a premium on these as from what I understand there weren't many 997.2 manual turbos to begin with, especially in the UK.A quick hunt confirmed my wonderings:
https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=9767...
Like others have said, shame they couldn't do a better job of prepping the car!
Joscal said:
Mine went at 20,000 miles back in the day. Still love the 997 but wouldn’t buy one that hasn’t been to Hartech nowadays.
My 2007 3.6, pushing 80k on the clock, uses absolutely no oil between annual services and shows no sign of any other problems.First owner always warmed it up properly and drove it hard. I warm it up properly and bimble along smelling the hedgerow flowers. Wouldn’t be surprised if the motor gets to 250k miles . . . and if it doesn’t I’ll get it rebuilt as a 3.9 (but, to be fair, easy for me to be blasé as it’s a few years into ownership . . . would have been a bugger in the first month or so!).
And is there any 15 year old performance car that doesn’t have a measurable statistical chance of suddenly costing you big money?
Octoposse said:
My 2007 3.6, pushing 80k on the clock, uses absolutely no oil between annual services and shows no sign of any other problems.
First owner always warmed it up properly and drove it hard. I warm it up properly and bimble along smelling the hedgerow flowers. Wouldn’t be surprised if the motor gets to 250k miles . . . and if it doesn’t I’ll get it rebuilt as a 3.9 (but, to be fair, easy for me to be blasé as it’s a few years into ownership . . . would have been a bugger in the first month or so!).
And is there any 15 year old performance car that doesn’t have a measurable statistical chance of suddenly costing you big money?
My 2005 3.6 has 110k on it's engine (210k on the chassis). It received a new engine from Porsche due to ims failure, this time with the later, bigger bearing.First owner always warmed it up properly and drove it hard. I warm it up properly and bimble along smelling the hedgerow flowers. Wouldn’t be surprised if the motor gets to 250k miles . . . and if it doesn’t I’ll get it rebuilt as a 3.9 (but, to be fair, easy for me to be blasé as it’s a few years into ownership . . . would have been a bugger in the first month or so!).
And is there any 15 year old performance car that doesn’t have a measurable statistical chance of suddenly costing you big money?
It was sympathetically properly warmed by the former owner and driven hard, mostly on the german Autobahn. I treat it the same way. No oil consumption between regular (!) oil changes (Motul 5W40) in my ownership (5 years / 25k miles).
Octoposse said:
My 2007 3.6, pushing 80k on the clock, uses absolutely no oil between annual services and shows no sign of any other problems.
First owner always warmed it up properly and drove it hard. I warm it up properly and bimble along smelling the hedgerow flowers. Wouldn’t be surprised if the motor gets to 250k miles . . . and if it doesn’t I’ll get it rebuilt as a 3.9 (but, to be fair, easy for me to be blasé as it’s a few years into ownership . . . would have been a bugger in the first month or so!).
And is there any 15 year old performance car that doesn’t have a measurable statistical chance of suddenly costing you big money?
Our 3.8 was over serviced ( every 8-10k) and pampered / driven sympathetically when cold etc. And we thought it would be good for 150k as it was symptom free. However it needed its first clutch at 67K and a few other engine out jobs (coolant pipes) etc so I bit the bullet and went full refurb (of everything) and an upgrade to 4.1 and, lo and behold, cylinder 6 was on the way out.First owner always warmed it up properly and drove it hard. I warm it up properly and bimble along smelling the hedgerow flowers. Wouldn’t be surprised if the motor gets to 250k miles . . . and if it doesn’t I’ll get it rebuilt as a 3.9 (but, to be fair, easy for me to be blasé as it’s a few years into ownership . . . would have been a bugger in the first month or so!).
And is there any 15 year old performance car that doesn’t have a measurable statistical chance of suddenly costing you big money?
Perhaps I am biased having had it happen twice (once before we even took delivery of the car) but it is a serious design flaw and if I was buying used I would be looking for Hartech rebuild. Even a clear borescope doesn't mean much beyond the short term. Mine was clear at 58K and scored at 67K.
Question (as I could have easily reversed into a car at the lights today…): does anyone else’s 997 not have a guard on reverse? I don’t need to lift/push anything, mine just goes across.
When cold there’s a notch to push through but it’s still easy to accidentally push past this as selecting 1st can be notchy too sometimes.
My gearstick is a little loose/rattly so wondering if this is contributing. Would a short shifter kit with fresh bushes fix this? Don’t fancy splashing four figures on a numeric shifter however.
When cold there’s a notch to push through but it’s still easy to accidentally push past this as selecting 1st can be notchy too sometimes.
My gearstick is a little loose/rattly so wondering if this is contributing. Would a short shifter kit with fresh bushes fix this? Don’t fancy splashing four figures on a numeric shifter however.
abucd4 said:
Question (as I could have easily reversed into a car at the lights today…): does anyone else’s 997 not have a guard on reverse? I don’t need to lift/push anything, mine just goes across.
When cold there’s a notch to push through but it’s still easy to accidentally push past this as selecting 1st can be notchy too sometimes.
My gearstick is a little loose/rattly so wondering if this is contributing. Would a short shifter kit with fresh bushes fix this? Don’t fancy splashing four figures on a numeric shifter however.
When cold there’s a notch to push through but it’s still easy to accidentally push past this as selecting 1st can be notchy too sometimes.
My gearstick is a little loose/rattly so wondering if this is contributing. Would a short shifter kit with fresh bushes fix this? Don’t fancy splashing four figures on a numeric shifter however.
abucd4 said:
ATM said:
Is it’s still available to buy in the uk? All the posts I’ve found are very old and can’t see where to buy it when I google. Is it just a case of find him on forums and message him?
You do it yourself.
You do need to buy the SSK but just to grab the bushes from this.
I have not done it.
Just seen the vid.
ATM said:
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I think I was thinking of another kit I’d seen on the 996 forums where a guy was modifying and selling ssk with custom bearings etc.
Spotted I’m on my original engine mounts, so replacing those will help too (bizarre, as it’s had a rebuild, but then again there’s no visible sag)
abucd4 said:
Just got in and watched the video, thank you for that, 100% needed on mine. I’ll get that ssk ordered now.
I think I was thinking of another kit I’d seen on the 996 forums where a guy was modifying and selling ssk with custom bearings etc.
Spotted I’m on my original engine mounts, so replacing those will help too (bizarre, as it’s had a rebuild, but then again there’s no visible sag)
Alex on 911 uk forum is your man.I think I was thinking of another kit I’d seen on the 996 forums where a guy was modifying and selling ssk with custom bearings etc.
Spotted I’m on my original engine mounts, so replacing those will help too (bizarre, as it’s had a rebuild, but then again there’s no visible sag)
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