The 997 Appreciation Thread
Discussion
Slippydiff said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11022801?c...
£84K. That’s Eighty Four Thousand Pounds ... !!!
Probably my favourite CSR conversion to date, but £84K for 15 year old 2S with 122k miles on odometer is madness.
Well at 84k its rich, who the hell sunk 130k into it ???? Looks lovely but jeeez ....... £84K. That’s Eighty Four Thousand Pounds ... !!!
Probably my favourite CSR conversion to date, but £84K for 15 year old 2S with 122k miles on odometer is madness.
Also loving all the dirty cars lol
dibblecorse said:
Slippydiff said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11022801?c...
£84K. That’s Eighty Four Thousand Pounds ... !!!
Probably my favourite CSR conversion to date, but £84K for 15 year old 2S with 122k miles on odometer is madness.
Well at 84k its rich, who the hell sunk 130k into it ???? Looks lovely but jeeez ....... £84K. That’s Eighty Four Thousand Pounds ... !!!
Probably my favourite CSR conversion to date, but £84K for 15 year old 2S with 122k miles on odometer is madness.
Also loving all the dirty cars lol
Slippydiff said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11022801?c...
£84K. That’s Eighty Four Thousand Pounds ... !!!
Probably my favourite CSR conversion to date, but £84K for 15 year old 2S with 122k miles on odometer is madness.
Why is it madness? The engine has been rebuilt and most of the suspension replaced so the headline mileage is misleading. If you are looking to do something from the ground up it actually makes some financial sense, especially if you value something bespoke. What about if you already have a bunch of Porsches so you're not worried about it being seen as a wannabe GT3? What about if you already own a GT3 but you can't pile the miles on it because it's not that usable day-to-day and you've half an eye on future value?£84K. That’s Eighty Four Thousand Pounds ... !!!
Probably my favourite CSR conversion to date, but £84K for 15 year old 2S with 122k miles on odometer is madness.
I agree it's a niche within a niche, and most people who just buy a Gen 2 GT3 for the same money, but if you've been there done that I can see the appeal.
You only need one bum for one seat!
Worth a watch of the Henry Catchpole Carfection vid. I realise not everyone will "get it" but it's great that such a thing exists and people are willing to invest in a project like this.
Put the price and relative value stuff to one side. Watch the video with an open mind and tell me you're not curious to give it a try.
Put the price and relative value stuff to one side. Watch the video with an open mind and tell me you're not curious to give it a try.
Heathrow said:
Worth a watch of the Henry Catchpole Carfection vid. I realise not everyone will "get it" but it's great that such a thing exists and people are willing to invest in a project like this.
Put the price and relative value stuff to one side. Watch the video with an open mind and tell me you're not curious to give it a try.
I’ve watched the HC video numerous times, and as I said, I think it’s the best 997 CSR yet, but spending £130K is, without any fear of contradiction, complete madness, and spending nearly £85K is only slightly less so.Put the price and relative value stuff to one side. Watch the video with an open mind and tell me you're not curious to give it a try.
You’ll note I’ve not made any comparisons with a GT3, because this is as HC said, a different car, and it fulfils a very different brief.
If you’re going to build the ultimate NA, non-Mezger engined 2WD 997, you’d surely start with a nice low miles Gen 2 2S, and if you like the Gen 1 Aerokit aesthetics (and I do) you’d just get RPMT to backdate the newer car (as they’ve done on a previous 997 CSR conversion)
You’d end up with a newer car whose body shell hasn’t been halfway to the moon, and a more tuneable, not to mention durable, engine to boot.
Personally having enjoyed both in the past, I think the Gen 1 engine is more characterful and aurally more interesting than the Gen 2 DFI. Both great engines but I'd also pick a Gen 1 if doing the same kind of conversion.
There is way too much emphasis on the "exchange value" of cars (especially Pork) rather than the "experiential value". It somewhat drowns out the details of what in this case, is quite a special build which is worthy of our attention.
All IMHO
There is way too much emphasis on the "exchange value" of cars (especially Pork) rather than the "experiential value". It somewhat drowns out the details of what in this case, is quite a special build which is worthy of our attention.
All IMHO
As previously mentioned, I've done my own reimagination on the sport classic with my 997.1 c2s. It's had a recent engine rebuild so should have little worries there. Fuchs alloys, ducktail spoiler, short shift kit, folding bucket seats et c et c and MUCH less than the above vehicle with similar enjoyment factor. Try it!
ATM said:
I'd be hard pressed to see where the 130k went
20 engine
10 paint
10 interior
10 suspension
10 brakes and wheels
Thats only 60
We need to spend another 70
Shsssss, it's all about the driving experience20 engine
10 paint
10 interior
10 suspension
10 brakes and wheels
Thats only 60
We need to spend another 70
Well there's the cost of the CF ducktail to factor in, and the Porsche tax ...
Heathrow said:
most of the suspension has been replaced
I'd sincerely hope every last nut, bolt, washer, bush, bearing, link, arm has been replaced along with the KW V3's.ATM estimated £10k on wheels and brakes (generous fellow)
The HRE wheels would cost just over £3K, a set of tyres another £900. The CSR brake upgrade package another £1800.I've no doubt it drives superbly (and as a daily driver, would be a nicer place to be than a Gen 997 GT3) and the fact HC says as much, tells you all you need to know. And I'll repeat what I said again, it's undoubtedly their best CSR effort to date, and I've watched the HC video numerous times because I think it's lovely thing, but £130K's worth of lovely thing ? Sorry, no.
It does beg the question though, I wonder was it commissioned by the car's long term owner who had an emotional attachment to it ? It has all the hallmarks of another "the journey is better than the holiday itself" scenario that we see all too often with early aircooled 911 2.8 RSR/ST type builds.
I had a ride in that CSR a few weeks ago, and honestly, if I was in the market for a GT3 and not worried about what other people thought, or how much I would get at resale, I might well have plumped for the CSR. It's an amazing car and goes down a crappy-surfaced road with real aplomb. It's as much a "911 plus" as a GT car, but just with a different focus.
In the end, I paid "manual GTS" money for a similar, but not quite so reworked 997.1 CSR, and I honestly think that's it - I won't ever need another 911. I could (and probably will) chuck some more money at it over the next few years, but it doesn't *need* it. I had a 997.1 C2S for seven years and for me the CSR was a much more special car than any GTS that I looked at and feels like a real upgrade.
I'd love to have the time to try things out and build my own, but I don't, so the idea of buying all that expertise in a proven package really appealed to me.
In the end, I paid "manual GTS" money for a similar, but not quite so reworked 997.1 CSR, and I honestly think that's it - I won't ever need another 911. I could (and probably will) chuck some more money at it over the next few years, but it doesn't *need* it. I had a 997.1 C2S for seven years and for me the CSR was a much more special car than any GTS that I looked at and feels like a real upgrade.
I'd love to have the time to try things out and build my own, but I don't, so the idea of buying all that expertise in a proven package really appealed to me.
ATM said:
Could be, but there's a cheaper 997 CSR for sale at £58K on PH too.pcrawf said:
I had a ride in that CSR a few weeks ago, and honestly, if I was in the market for a GT3 and not worried about what other people thought, or how much I would get at resale, I might well have plumped for the CSR. It's an amazing car and goes down a crappy-surfaced road with real aplomb. It's as much a "911 plus" as a GT car, but just with a different focus.
In the end, I paid "manual GTS" money for a similar, but not quite so reworked 997.1 CSR, and I honestly think that's it - I won't ever need another 911. I could (and probably will) chuck some more money at it over the next few years, but it doesn't *need* it. I had a 997.1 C2S for seven years and for me the CSR was a much more special car than any GTS that I looked at and feels like a real upgrade.
I'd love to have the time to try things out and build my own, but I don't, so the idea of buying all that expertise in a proven package really appealed to me.
Sounds perfect. Pictures or it didn't happen In the end, I paid "manual GTS" money for a similar, but not quite so reworked 997.1 CSR, and I honestly think that's it - I won't ever need another 911. I could (and probably will) chuck some more money at it over the next few years, but it doesn't *need* it. I had a 997.1 C2S for seven years and for me the CSR was a much more special car than any GTS that I looked at and feels like a real upgrade.
I'd love to have the time to try things out and build my own, but I don't, so the idea of buying all that expertise in a proven package really appealed to me.
Kettmark said:
As previously mentioned, I've done my own reimagination on the sport classic with my 997.1 c2s. It's had a recent engine rebuild so should have little worries there. Fuchs alloys, ducktail spoiler, short shift kit, folding bucket seats et c et c and MUCH less than the above vehicle with similar enjoyment factor. Try it!
Do you have any pics of your car? Don’t think I’ve seen it. 
Slippydiff said:
pcrawf said:
I had a ride in that CSR a few weeks ago, and honestly, if I was in the market for a GT3 and not worried about what other people thought, or how much I would get at resale, I might well have plumped for the CSR. It's an amazing car and goes down a crappy-surfaced road with real aplomb. It's as much a "911 plus" as a GT car, but just with a different focus.
In the end, I paid "manual GTS" money for a similar, but not quite so reworked 997.1 CSR, and I honestly think that's it - I won't ever need another 911. I could (and probably will) chuck some more money at it over the next few years, but it doesn't *need* it. I had a 997.1 C2S for seven years and for me the CSR was a much more special car than any GTS that I looked at and feels like a real upgrade.
I'd love to have the time to try things out and build my own, but I don't, so the idea of buying all that expertise in a proven package really appealed to me.
Sounds perfect. Pictures or it didn't happen In the end, I paid "manual GTS" money for a similar, but not quite so reworked 997.1 CSR, and I honestly think that's it - I won't ever need another 911. I could (and probably will) chuck some more money at it over the next few years, but it doesn't *need* it. I had a 997.1 C2S for seven years and for me the CSR was a much more special car than any GTS that I looked at and feels like a real upgrade.
I'd love to have the time to try things out and build my own, but I don't, so the idea of buying all that expertise in a proven package really appealed to me.
I think the thing with these earlier and also the later cars is they all have PASM. We all know a decent set of dampers can work wanders on a Porsche. The fancy CSR has simple passive kw dampers and thats probably the major difference. Surely there isn't much more to it than that. OK it has stiffer bushes and different ARB too but you should be able to add this lot to any 997 or do it in stages.
I'm starting to worry about people talk about their forever car choice. Maybe I'm too young - I am only 27 obviously - but the idea of being stuck with one car for the rest of time doesn't resonate with me. I get it though. Newer cars are losing the analogue feel and at some point you realise the grass isn't any greener. But the little boy inside me still dreams of constantly getting a new - or different - car. I can't imagine that will ever go away. Or will it?
Mariosbt said:
Kettmark said:
As previously mentioned, I've done my own reimagination on the sport classic with my 997.1 c2s. It's had a recent engine rebuild so should have little worries there. Fuchs alloys, ducktail spoiler, short shift kit, folding bucket seats et c et c and MUCH less than the above vehicle with similar enjoyment factor. Try it!
Do you have any pics of your car? Don’t think I’ve seen it. 
ATM said:
Yeah what he said.
I think the thing with these earlier and also the later cars is they all have PASM. We all know a decent set of dampers can work wanders on a Porsche. The fancy CSR has simple passive kw dampers and thats probably the major difference. Surely there isn't much more to it than that. OK it has stiffer bushes and different ARB too but you should be able to add this lot to any 997 or do it in stages.
I'm starting to worry about people talk about their forever car choice. Maybe I'm too young - I am only 27 obviously - but the idea of being stuck with one car for the rest of time doesn't resonate with me. I get it though. Newer cars are losing the analogue feel and at some point you realise the grass isn't any greener. But the little boy inside me still dreams of constantly getting a new - or different - car. I can't imagine that will ever go away. Or will it?
Maybe you just haven’t found the right car yet? I have never bought a car just because I needed transport, they have always been cars that I specifically want and therefore I don’t change very often. I still own the Sapphire Cosworth that I bought in 1999 because I still enjoy it. I have been driving for nearly 30 years but have only bought 7 cars in that time.I think the thing with these earlier and also the later cars is they all have PASM. We all know a decent set of dampers can work wanders on a Porsche. The fancy CSR has simple passive kw dampers and thats probably the major difference. Surely there isn't much more to it than that. OK it has stiffer bushes and different ARB too but you should be able to add this lot to any 997 or do it in stages.
I'm starting to worry about people talk about their forever car choice. Maybe I'm too young - I am only 27 obviously - but the idea of being stuck with one car for the rest of time doesn't resonate with me. I get it though. Newer cars are losing the analogue feel and at some point you realise the grass isn't any greener. But the little boy inside me still dreams of constantly getting a new - or different - car. I can't imagine that will ever go away. Or will it?
Having said that, I have friends who over the same period have had so many that they cannot remember them all.
Horses for courses I guess.
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