Manual 991.2 GT3's - owners views
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Decent manual gt3 review that you might have forgotten about
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911-gt3/19433/2017-po...
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911-gt3/19433/2017-po...
Not sure I agree there's little discernible difference. The thing I noticed in that rather poor Top Gear review was a clear difference in engine note and according to the tester, loudness. Of course with the same gearbox and clutch the drive has to be very similar.
Of course need to drive a 911R back to back with mine to check. Any offers?
Of course need to drive a 911R back to back with mine to check. Any offers?
I'm willing to bet that driven back to back the differences would be noticeable and in favour of the GT3 Touring.I base this on my limited time driving my PDKS GT3 and the big surprise is how the engine seems to pull from very low revs..Couple this with a more aggressive diff and re-tuned RAS with a 500rpm higher red line .
The engine on the new GT3 does things that should be technologically impossible.A 125hp/L and 9k redline yet possesses low rev tractability/torque of a 991.2GTS is an amazing accomplishment.IMO.
In fact i seem to re-collect Chris Harris alluding to this fact back in the summer when he drove both about the same time.
The engine on the new GT3 does things that should be technologically impossible.A 125hp/L and 9k redline yet possesses low rev tractability/torque of a 991.2GTS is an amazing accomplishment.IMO.
In fact i seem to re-collect Chris Harris alluding to this fact back in the summer when he drove both about the same time.
Worth watching Jethro Bovingdon again on the 991.2 GT3 and R in this vid
https://drivetribe.com/p/2017-porsche-911-gt3-vide...
https://drivetribe.com/p/2017-porsche-911-gt3-vide...
The R for me remains the ultimate. Set up perfectly for the road, I’d never track it anyhow preferring other cars.
It’s lighter too, which IMV matters more than a little more torque and a less aggressive diff for what I personally want in a car.
If you want a track tool, the 991RS takes it mainly due to the extra rubber. Spoken to several who rue their decision to chop theirs in for the new 3.
Theirs not however, £200k’s worth of difference between the two. Mad at £350.
It’s lighter too, which IMV matters more than a little more torque and a less aggressive diff for what I personally want in a car.
If you want a track tool, the 991RS takes it mainly due to the extra rubber. Spoken to several who rue their decision to chop theirs in for the new 3.
Theirs not however, £200k’s worth of difference between the two. Mad at £350.
Cheib said:
Worth watching Jethro Bovingdon again on the 991.2 GT3 and R in this vid
https://drivetribe.com/p/2017-porsche-911-gt3-vide...
Yep it’s a good review - just need someone like that to do a manual video review.https://drivetribe.com/p/2017-porsche-911-gt3-vide...
Loved his sign off - really made me chuckle
Robbo66 said:
The R for me remains the ultimate. Set up perfectly for the road, I’d never track it anyhow preferring other cars.
It’s lighter too, which IMV matters more than a little more torque and a less aggressive diff for what I personally want in a car.
If you want a track tool, the 991RS takes it mainly due to the extra rubber. Spoken to several who rue their decision to chop theirs in for the new 3.
Theirs not however, £200k’s worth of difference between the two. Mad at £350.
Hey Rob , do you think you’d even notice the weight difference in the real world - not sure I would & as you say, definitely not for an extra £k200 It’s lighter too, which IMV matters more than a little more torque and a less aggressive diff for what I personally want in a car.
If you want a track tool, the 991RS takes it mainly due to the extra rubber. Spoken to several who rue their decision to chop theirs in for the new 3.
Theirs not however, £200k’s worth of difference between the two. Mad at £350.
RSVP911 said:
Robbo66 said:
The R for me remains the ultimate. Set up perfectly for the road, I’d never track it anyhow preferring other cars.
It’s lighter too, which IMV matters more than a little more torque and a less aggressive diff for what I personally want in a car.
If you want a track tool, the 991RS takes it mainly due to the extra rubber. Spoken to several who rue their decision to chop theirs in for the new 3.
Theirs not however, £200k’s worth of difference between the two. Mad at £350.
Hey Rob , do you think you’d even notice the weight difference in the real world - not sure I would & as you say, definitely not for an extra £k200 It’s lighter too, which IMV matters more than a little more torque and a less aggressive diff for what I personally want in a car.
If you want a track tool, the 991RS takes it mainly due to the extra rubber. Spoken to several who rue their decision to chop theirs in for the new 3.
Theirs not however, £200k’s worth of difference between the two. Mad at £350.
Think the SMFW is a big draw too.
Weight is overlooked generally IMV, the Spyder was a revelation. You really notice the lighter weight, not to the early 73 level as still ‘huge’ in comparison, but certainly against the modern car.
Robbo66 said:
RSVP911 said:
Robbo66 said:
The R for me remains the ultimate. Set up perfectly for the road, I’d never track it anyhow preferring other cars.
It’s lighter too, which IMV matters more than a little more torque and a less aggressive diff for what I personally want in a car.
If you want a track tool, the 991RS takes it mainly due to the extra rubber. Spoken to several who rue their decision to chop theirs in for the new 3.
Theirs not however, £200k’s worth of difference between the two. Mad at £350.
Hey Rob , do you think you’d even notice the weight difference in the real world - not sure I would & as you say, definitely not for an extra £k200 It’s lighter too, which IMV matters more than a little more torque and a less aggressive diff for what I personally want in a car.
If you want a track tool, the 991RS takes it mainly due to the extra rubber. Spoken to several who rue their decision to chop theirs in for the new 3.
Theirs not however, £200k’s worth of difference between the two. Mad at £350.
Think the SMFW is a big draw too.
Weight is overlooked generally IMV, the Spyder was a revelation. You really notice the lighter weight, not to the early 73 level as still ‘huge’ in comparison, but certainly against the modern car.
Robbo66 said:
Speaking to those who have them, you do. 1370 wet, 50 lighter than RS...
Think the SMFW is a big draw too.
Weight is overlooked generally IMV, the Spyder was a revelation. You really notice the lighter weight, not to the early 73 level as still ‘huge’ in comparison, but certainly against the modern car.
Agreed on the SMFW as I think it adds a lot of charachter. 50kg of weight can saved / lost through smart choices on the options list and what you carry in the car. It all adds up but surprised if most would notice.Think the SMFW is a big draw too.
Weight is overlooked generally IMV, the Spyder was a revelation. You really notice the lighter weight, not to the early 73 level as still ‘huge’ in comparison, but certainly against the modern car.
The Boxster Spyder is about 30kg lighter than a standard car. Can you really tell the difference? I would expect the set up of the car and key points if interaction (Seats, wheel etc) probably have more to do with how the car feels.
blackmamba said:
Robbo66 said:
Speaking to those who have them, you do. 1370 wet, 50 lighter than RS...
Think the SMFW is a big draw too.
Weight is overlooked generally IMV, the Spyder was a revelation. You really notice the lighter weight, not to the early 73 level as still ‘huge’ in comparison, but certainly against the modern car.
Agreed on the SMFW as I think it adds a lot of charachter. 50kg of weight can saved / lost through smart choices on the options list and what you carry in the car. It all adds up but surprised if most would notice.Think the SMFW is a big draw too.
Weight is overlooked generally IMV, the Spyder was a revelation. You really notice the lighter weight, not to the early 73 level as still ‘huge’ in comparison, but certainly against the modern car.
The Boxster Spyder is about 30kg lighter than a standard car. Can you really tell the difference? I would expect the set up of the car and key points if interaction (Seats, wheel etc) probably have more to do with how the car feels.
AndrewD said:
RSVP911 said:
Re the Spyder - I can’t tell you why it feels brilliant - but I can tell you that it absolutely does - that car is the bargain of the century - it’s such a well sorted bundle of joy
It would be amazing with a little more powerRSVP911 said:
Morning Andrew - for the track maybe - but real world, on a public road for a spirited blast - it’s easily powerful enough - funnily enough its the mix of usable power and how engaged it makes you feel at “real” speeds ( rather than having to be at warp speed in say, an RS) that’s it’s USP - loads of feel, engagement , tactility and joy at all speeds - best all rounder I’ve owned by far
try a 1275 kg old one with real steering :-)RSVP911 said:
AndrewD said:
RSVP911 said:
Re the Spyder - I can’t tell you why it feels brilliant - but I can tell you that it absolutely does - that car is the bargain of the century - it’s such a well sorted bundle of joy
It would be amazing with a little more powerAndrewD said:
RSVP911 said:
AndrewD said:
RSVP911 said:
Re the Spyder - I can’t tell you why it feels brilliant - but I can tell you that it absolutely does - that car is the bargain of the century - it’s such a well sorted bundle of joy
It would be amazing with a little more powerPorsche911R said:
RSVP911 said:
Morning Andrew - for the track maybe - but real world, on a public road for a spirited blast - it’s easily powerful enough - funnily enough its the mix of usable power and how engaged it makes you feel at “real” speeds ( rather than having to be at warp speed in say, an RS) that’s it’s USP - loads of feel, engagement , tactility and joy at all speeds - best all rounder I’ve owned by far
try a 1275 kg old one with real steering :-)AndrewD said:
Well, yes just about any car has "enough" power for the public road, but the Spyder is fun to drive and a little more mid range and top end would transform it IMO
it would not handle any more imo not with the p zero 235/265 tyre combo it has.GT4 has the Spyder licked in that dept where you loose grip In the Spyder the GT4 will just keep asking more from you.
That can be seen as more fun as that the p zero's cannot cope with the 3.8 engine in those sizes.
Hence when people do try and track it, PTV has to take over and eats rear disks as fast as you can buy them.
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