GT3 2018 Allocations
Discussion
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Porsche911R said:
I like the numbers in the new car as the older GT3 was not that fast really, my 987.2 Spyder keeps up to 90mph. the old GT3 lump is over rated for road use.
nice track engine though.
same again with the GT4 it's no faster than my Spyder to 90mph , maybe 1/2 a car in it.
with 500BHP you feel you have a bit more, and it stays with the turbo cars on track.
agree with the weight side, Porsche buckets weigh tons, it's a odd thing to do when they go on about a mag roof etc and they could save 30kg putting in some cheaper nicer seats ! also they don't offer the Li battery any more !
2 piece disks ,forged wheels, forged calipers etc etc
I guess they want people to buy the WP now days, but they could take out 50kg from the new RS no issue. My spyder feel feather weight at 1250kg vs the new cars to drive.
300bhp/ton is a nice figure imo.
This new GT3 engine makes the car for me.
To be fair... if you read what he wrote... it was in the context of the 987.2... so he's talking about his 987.2 Spyder?nice track engine though.
same again with the GT4 it's no faster than my Spyder to 90mph , maybe 1/2 a car in it.
with 500BHP you feel you have a bit more, and it stays with the turbo cars on track.
agree with the weight side, Porsche buckets weigh tons, it's a odd thing to do when they go on about a mag roof etc and they could save 30kg putting in some cheaper nicer seats ! also they don't offer the Li battery any more !
2 piece disks ,forged wheels, forged calipers etc etc
I guess they want people to buy the WP now days, but they could take out 50kg from the new RS no issue. My spyder feel feather weight at 1250kg vs the new cars to drive.
300bhp/ton is a nice figure imo.
This new GT3 engine makes the car for me.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 12th April 13:04
rosino said:
Here's a picture of mine after being ppf'd and detailed by Gurcharn's Elite Detail in Knightsbridge.
I am running it in so very early days.. but so far it's all i would have wanted it to be. Perhaps a bit more as I find the engine sound to be even more engaging than my 991.1 GT3.
Touring. by Alex Penfold, on Flickr
Looks fantastic! And that's a great Flickr feed. Did you get him to do a shoot of your car ? I am running it in so very early days.. but so far it's all i would have wanted it to be. Perhaps a bit more as I find the engine sound to be even more engaging than my 991.1 GT3.
Touring. by Alex Penfold, on FlickrPorsche911R said:
I wish, have you done it on the new calipers, it's not a quick or easy job now esp with centre lock wheels.
I agree nothing wrong with the steels for road use, but you have to fit £1k pads that makes more heat and they then crack from the holes on the chocolate disks, and then will damage your calipers pucks , so a full set of AP disks and pads later you are at £6k and have 2 sets of ******* calipers lol ! Makes specing PCCB seem cheap imo.
No surprise to see most track day cars go after market, so to say Porsche brakes are the best is a bit misleading. The disks are crap, the old PCCB delamited after 6k miles and the new calipers are just hassle now.
Let’s not even get into the ceramic puck issue if one does fit track pads !!
All very substandard imo.
You won’t see the GT4 clubsport using the road stuff.
People think the steels are for track, but they cannot take any heat.
I've never been let down by standard steel brakes on the track in any 911GT car. Alcon or Brembo options dont stop the car any quicker but they last a lot longer. Anyone not getting confidence in braking on steels has generally not bedded them in properly, especially the softer road pads. You should be getting a lot of feel. Too much initial bite is not great on the track, the initial application is better if its smoother. In my 997 cup, often there is smoke - sometimes fire - coming from the front caliper area after coming into the pits. Never had any problems except with one caliper that needed a rebuild after over 100 hours. The rebuild cost was £75. I agree nothing wrong with the steels for road use, but you have to fit £1k pads that makes more heat and they then crack from the holes on the chocolate disks, and then will damage your calipers pucks , so a full set of AP disks and pads later you are at £6k and have 2 sets of ******* calipers lol ! Makes specing PCCB seem cheap imo.
No surprise to see most track day cars go after market, so to say Porsche brakes are the best is a bit misleading. The disks are crap, the old PCCB delamited after 6k miles and the new calipers are just hassle now.
Let’s not even get into the ceramic puck issue if one does fit track pads !!
All very substandard imo.
You won’t see the GT4 clubsport using the road stuff.
People think the steels are for track, but they cannot take any heat.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 10th April 22:05
Silverstone on Wednesday was treacherous. I counted 14 red flags. That really compromises a cool down for ceramic discs - especially if you are near the complex when the red flags come out. There were a lot of GT3's there. I felt for the drivers, it must of been stressful cooling down thier discs. One chap had an off on the mud and gravel. Unfortunately - and I'm sure unknowingly - liberally spreading mud and gravel all over the racing line on his way back to the pits. If any of that material got lodged in his discs, it would have been a very bad day out if they were ceramic.
With steels, none of this is an issue. I get ceramics from a road point of view. They are relatively cheap as a new option - but for the track, absolutely not - unless you have a very big budget
I've been looking at disc prices recently and as an example for a Carrera S one steel disc is £192+VAT, one ceramic disc is £4260+VAT!
A full set of front and rear Porsche pads and discs in steel, including VAT and wear sensors, is £1260.
PCCBs as an option on a new car are £6018, so almost 4 complete sets of steel brakes if you include fitting fees. Damage a front PCCB disc and you have to replace the pair, plus pads, so you're looking at an £11k bill. Madness.
I just don't think PCCBs make financial sense in any way, you buy them purely for the looks (if you like the yellow calipers, I don't) or the lack of brake dust. That's a very expensive way to reduce wheel cleaning, just buy a decent wheel cleaner and a jet wash like I have!
A full set of front and rear Porsche pads and discs in steel, including VAT and wear sensors, is £1260.
PCCBs as an option on a new car are £6018, so almost 4 complete sets of steel brakes if you include fitting fees. Damage a front PCCB disc and you have to replace the pair, plus pads, so you're looking at an £11k bill. Madness.
I just don't think PCCBs make financial sense in any way, you buy them purely for the looks (if you like the yellow calipers, I don't) or the lack of brake dust. That's a very expensive way to reduce wheel cleaning, just buy a decent wheel cleaner and a jet wash like I have!
Steve Rance said:
I've never been let down by standard steel brakes on the track in any 911GT car. Alcon or Brembo options dont stop the car any quicker but they last a lot longer. Anyone not getting confidence in braking on steels has generally not bedded them in properly, especially the softer road pads. You should be getting a lot of feel. Too much initial bite is not great on the track, the initial application is better if its smoother. In my 997 cup, often there is smoke - sometimes fire - coming from the front caliper area after coming into the pits. Never had any problems except with one caliper that needed a rebuild after over 100 hours. The rebuild cost was £75.
Silverstone on Wednesday was treacherous. I counted 14 red flags. That really compromises a cool down for ceramic discs - especially if you are near the complex when the red flags come out. There were a lot of GT3's there. I felt for the drivers, it must of been stressful cooling down thier discs. One chap had an off on the mud and gravel. Unfortunately - and I'm sure unknowingly - liberally spreading mud and gravel all over the racing line on his way back to the pits. If any of that material got lodged in his discs, it would have been a very bad day out if they were ceramic.
With steels, none of this is an issue. I get ceramics from a road point of view. They are relatively cheap as a new option - but for the track, absolutely not - unless you have a very big budget
To be fair Steve, the latest generation PCCBs are fairly good for a few years of use including moderate amounts of track days. Most people have then been moving the cars on after 1-2 years to get the next GT slot. So the buck passes to the next person. Silverstone on Wednesday was treacherous. I counted 14 red flags. That really compromises a cool down for ceramic discs - especially if you are near the complex when the red flags come out. There were a lot of GT3's there. I felt for the drivers, it must of been stressful cooling down thier discs. One chap had an off on the mud and gravel. Unfortunately - and I'm sure unknowingly - liberally spreading mud and gravel all over the racing line on his way back to the pits. If any of that material got lodged in his discs, it would have been a very bad day out if they were ceramic.
With steels, none of this is an issue. I get ceramics from a road point of view. They are relatively cheap as a new option - but for the track, absolutely not - unless you have a very big budget
...the second or third owner may then be the one swapping them to steels.
So for most early owners the PCCBs work quite well. Of course this ownership behaviour skews the narrative on forums etc.
I was there too on Wednesday in a 997...yes, funky conditions.
Was going to say hello but you seemed surrounded
A friendly face would have been most welcome. I went on to slicks quite early because I was worried about overheating the wets with the added weight of the passengers. I think 'interesting' is one way to put it. How did you get on?
I hear what you say about the new ceramics but for me, however you cut it, it's something extra to manage that doesnt bring any benefit. The last thing you need is the nagging thought that a minor spin could cost you the thick end of £10K - but each to his own and all that.
I hear what you say about the new ceramics but for me, however you cut it, it's something extra to manage that doesnt bring any benefit. The last thing you need is the nagging thought that a minor spin could cost you the thick end of £10K - but each to his own and all that.
rosino said:
Here's a picture of mine after being ppf'd and detailed by Gurcharn's Elite Detail in Knightsbridge.
I am running it in so very early days.. but so far it's all i would have wanted it to be. Perhaps a bit more as I find the engine sound to be even more engaging than my 991.1 GT3.
Touring. by Alex Penfold, on Flickr
Looks great!! What spec did you go for the rest of the car? Any more pics? I am running it in so very early days.. but so far it's all i would have wanted it to be. Perhaps a bit more as I find the engine sound to be even more engaging than my 991.1 GT3.
Touring. by Alex Penfold, on FlickrSteve Rance said:
A friendly face would have been most welcome. I went on to slicks quite early because I was worried about overheating the wets with the added weight of the passengers. I think 'interesting' is one way to put it. How did you get on?
I hear what you say about the new ceramics but for me, however you cut it, it's something extra to manage that doesnt bring any benefit. The last thing you need is the nagging thought that a minor spin could cost you the thick end of £10K - but each to his own and all that.
I agree with your view for a hard track car. My point was just that most people are no longer buying them as a hard track car but mostly road, some track, with an eye on resale potential where high spec is beneficial (as you can tell from all the spec related posts)....and on balance of all of these the ceramic discs work out well for the first owner. Subsequent owners different issue and anyone wanting to use as a hard track car ends up swapping to steels.I hear what you say about the new ceramics but for me, however you cut it, it's something extra to manage that doesnt bring any benefit. The last thing you need is the nagging thought that a minor spin could cost you the thick end of £10K - but each to his own and all that.
With respect to Silverstone I was there last week as well however sadly both occasions the conditions have not been great. Trying to bed into a 7.2rs for track where all my muscle memory is tuned into 996gt3's. My 996s have had uprated suspensions and associated handling tweaks and I still cannot go faster than them in the 997 platform! But...let's see once the weather improves. A sharpened 996 seems to have a lot more performance than I had thought!
LaSource said:
With respect to Silverstone I was there last week as well however sadly both occasions the conditions have not been great. Trying to bed into a 7.2rs for track where all my muscle memory is tuned into 996gt3's. My 996s have had uprated suspensions and associated handling tweaks and I still cannot go faster than them in the 997 platform! But...let's see once the weather improves. A sharpened 996 seems to have a lot more performance than I had thought!
As we discussed 
, I still think it kind of shows once some of the factors that have imo hugely contributed to car performances improving of late (ie mainly tyres) are equalized, it's pretty difficult to get large improvements in time purely due to chassis differences. I really don't believe the 4.0 (despite you noting some pretty surprising differences to the 7.2rs on wed) will be any more than half a second faster than the 7.2rs (and very possibly less). if the 7.2rs is still 1.5-2 seconds faster than your 6gt3 I think that actually is doing remarkably well. More testing needed when the sun comes out hopefully....
isaldiri said:
As we discussed , I still think it kind of shows once some of the factors that have imo hugely contributed to car performances improving of late (ie mainly tyres) are equalized, it's pretty difficult to get large improvements in time purely due to chassis differences. I really don't believe the 4.0 (despite you noting some pretty surprising differences to the 7.2rs on wed) will be any more than half a second faster than the 7.2rs (and very possibly less). if the 7.2rs is still 1.5-2 seconds faster than your 6gt3 I think that actually is doing remarkably well.
More testing needed when the sun comes out hopefully....
Yes, I am beginning to agree with you , I still think it kind of shows once some of the factors that have imo hugely contributed to car performances improving of late (ie mainly tyres) are equalized, it's pretty difficult to get large improvements in time purely due to chassis differences. I really don't believe the 4.0 (despite you noting some pretty surprising differences to the 7.2rs on wed) will be any more than half a second faster than the 7.2rs (and very possibly less). if the 7.2rs is still 1.5-2 seconds faster than your 6gt3 I think that actually is doing remarkably well. More testing needed when the sun comes out hopefully....
more anon.I guess we are way off topic here...so back to admiring new cars
Vipergreen said:
Better go and hack saw my wing off
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
It’s interesting to see how much some people value their ability to continue to buy Porsche’s halo cars. What I don’t understand is how so many people continue to have access to these cars despite apparent controls in place to prevent this. https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Vipergreen said:
Better go and hack saw my wing off
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Surely an outrageous try on, just in case someone is “money no object” desperate to get one. Only need one buyer and with the Touring so new to the market the seller is on a fishing mission. Let’s give it 6-12 months and see where prices are. https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Somewhat galling however as I didn’t get one and would have had a spec rather like this. I can see myself at 20-30k overs maybe, but not this level. I have rather lost the love for all this after the last few years. I’m looking at those McLarens more and more. List price for a GT3 sees you in a nearly new 570. The sun’s out so these thoughts are getting closer to reality!
As an owner of a touring it would take more than £230,000 for me to part with it. (Everything in the world is for sale, and has a price....)
With so few cars supposedly made and if Porsche have got it right and most of the owners are of the same mindset as me, I think they will command overs much higher than a winged car.
Not that Im saying its worth it.... Just really rare to buy for this season....
With so few cars supposedly made and if Porsche have got it right and most of the owners are of the same mindset as me, I think they will command overs much higher than a winged car.
Not that Im saying its worth it.... Just really rare to buy for this season....
s2000db said:
Wow! What’s that £250k including commission ? Okay there will be a premium for RHD but that’s a lot lower than they have been. jimmyslr said:
Surely an outrageous try on, just in case someone is “money no object” desperate to get one. Only need one buyer and with the Touring so new to the market the seller is on a fishing mission. Let’s give it 6-12 months and see where prices are.
Agree - fishing. Might get lucky and best of luck to them, but people at this kind of money aren't usually stupid 
Monch said:
As an owner of a touring it would take more than £230,000 for me to part with it.
With so few cars supposedly made and if Porsche have got it right and most of the owners are of the same mindset as me, I think they will command overs much higher than a winged car.
Not that Im saying its worth it.... Just really rare to buy for this season....
Same number of Tourings as winged cars of a certain spec.With so few cars supposedly made and if Porsche have got it right and most of the owners are of the same mindset as me, I think they will command overs much higher than a winged car.
Not that Im saying its worth it.... Just really rare to buy for this season....
As ever, spec is all.
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