GT3 2018 Allocations

[GT3cs]

I've no intention of selling my Manual GT3 and I hope the market goes no where near a number that would have to make me start to consider it ... but seeing as your asking, that number would need to be at current RS prices to be a level I couldn't ignore.

I really hope ( and expect they will ) stay well below that so the subject never comes up . Ideally I own for a couple of years and do loads of miles for little to no depreciation. Owned the car 7 days now and drove it every day in all weathers , it's a stunning car .

[B1ggest]

I’m hearing of people selling their slots for £15k how does the dealer allow this to happen?

[Cheib]

B1ggest said:

I’m hearing of people selling their slots for £15k how does the dealer allow this to happen?

I hope they trade at list price in the second hand market...that's someone who is still hoping to get a 2018 car.

[Robbo66]

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I wouldn’t swap mine out for a 991GT3.2, manual or PDK. I would also not chop a 991RS for one, again having spoken to a few who have done. They quite frankly regret it, particularly for track work.

As regards getting one, I don’t deserve to be on the list. I’ve not bought enough cooking models, and ‘some’ others have so fair enough. I get this. Each OPC has targets, and they need to hit them.
Having said that, there’s definitely a clutch with very little buying history, who’ve managed to secure a slot.

I still firmly believe that there are far too many of these halo cars being released, and this dilutes the demand and overs, at stratospheric levels, have and continue to disappear.

The line between suffering depreciation on the cooking models, and paying overs has closed and also continues to do so. A little patience will pay dividends.

[RSVP911]

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A 997.2 GT3 RS is a thing to behold ; it’s very special car with a very, very special engine - they simply don’t make them like this anymore -taking the reverse; I would never swap a 997.2 RS for 991.2 GT3 - no way .

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 20th October 23:14

[JetTeam]

Just curious if anyone is considering the touring package ?
Is it a poor mans 911R or is a 911R now an overpriced GT3 TP??

Edited by JetTeam on Saturday 21st October 00:31

[AndrewD]

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I'm looking forward to doing a back to back comparison of my manual 991.2 GT3 with my 997 4.0 RS. The 997 is so much better, to me, than the 991 RS.

On paper at least the two cars make for an interesting comparison - manual, 4 litres, 500 bhp and strong torque.

[breadvan]

Robbo66 said:

I still firmly believe that there are far too many of these halo cars being released, and this dilutes the demand and overs, at stratospheric levels, have and continue to disappear.

Agreed. There’s much talk of the overs market with the .2 GT3 but this hasn’t been tested as very few cars have materialised. I congratulate the dealers for their better selection process this time around. But when the numbers are added to .2 2RS and 3RS (and in a more challenging market) I too doubt the market will need to support any stratospheric overs.

Still nice to have one thought.

Up to 7000 rpm now, holy moly!

[B1ggest]

I'm afraid for me this is all very sordid, and I'm quite shocked that Porsche allow it.

I know personally of people that are buying slots, others that have been cajoled to buy other stock with the promise of allocation, then others with no Porsche history suddenly getting an allocation.

I'm not bitter, as I haven't even tried, I won't play the game to be a Porsche "Special friend", as said, the whole thing is rather sordid and distasteful..

[RSVP911]

AndrewD said:

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I'm looking forward to doing a back to back comparison of my manual 991.2 GT3 with my 997 4.0 RS. The 997 is so much better, to me, than the 991 RS.

On paper at least the two cars make for an interesting comparison - manual, 4 litres, 500 bhp and strong torque.

Hi Andrew, I agree on paper and in reality, the 991.2 GT3 will be “better” - it should be it’s had 7 years to “improve” but, I bet you 50p (that’s a big bet for me) that the 997.2 will be thr more challenging, engaging and a all together more spine tingling visceral experience with more smiles per mile - I am hoping they feel different enough so there is room for both - at this rate I may never find out

[Fokker]

RSVP911 said:

Fokker said:

Personally, I think prices of these used will start at about £180 - 190k possible push £200k for a well spec'd manual car or more who knows. Yes more than some RS' but you can't have a manual with the RS, that's your difference AND it has the old engine..

Maybe the odd one, but I think they will be nearer £k160 - I guess this depends on how well Porsche has done screening out the flippers - if there are virtually none available your figure will happen , however, the market is a clever thing & if your number happens, then the overs will be too much for some to resist and more cars will go up for sale and prices will reduce and settle - clever stuff this supply and demand thing

We'll see and as I know you'd like one I hope that's the case for you but I think 160k for a well spec'd example is low. Perhaps for a very base spec but not one with a spec you or I would want. A good well spec'd gen 1 is still 130k so 30k more for the new car? I can't see that personally. It would be great for all those that want a used but It just doesn't seem likely.

At the moment it's very hard to get one new and there's nothing on the used market.

Don't forget we have the addition of the Touring which is going to be very desirable in my opinion. Closer to 180 - 200k is my prediction for a good spec. Possibly over 200k for a well spec'd Touring and it'll be almost as rare as the 911 R in this country. Swindon just sold their 911R that was on for £425000. The Touring at 200k seems like a good deal.

We'll see but it's all speculation until it starts to unfold. The market will be appearing properly in about spring I reckon.

[AndrewD]

RSVP911 said:

Hi Andrew, I agree on paper and in reality, the 991.2 GT3 will be “better” - it should be it’s had 7 years to “improve” but, I bet you 50p (that’s a big bet for me) that the 997.2 will be thr more challenging, engaging and a all together more spine tingling visceral experience with more smiles per mile - I am hoping they feel different enough so there is room for both - at this rate I may never find out

I'm fully expecting you to be correct. Certainly the 997 4.0 is a far more rewarding car with a much better engine than the 991 RS, in my opinion. I am really curious to see though how the manual and the new engine in the 991.2 GT3 changes things.

[isaldiri]

Robbo66 said:

I still firmly believe that there are far too many of these halo cars being released, and this dilutes the demand and overs, at stratospheric levels, have and continue to disappear.

Is it really a bad thing there are many of these models are appearing? It means in theory more people get the chance to get one and ever increasing production numbers likewise help. It's actually a good thing if the insane levels being asked are going to be knocked back significantly. Porsche's objective isn't really to create huge overs secondhand after all. It wasn't so long ago all models of GT cars did actually depreciate.

[Porsche911R]

AndrewD said:

I'm fully expecting you to be correct. Certainly the 997 4.0 is a far more rewarding car with a much better engine than the 991 RS, in my opinion. I am really curious to see though how the manual and the new engine in the 991.2 GT3 changes things.

Still night and day IMO adding a manual is not the default to a drivers car.

The skill in the old cars was braking and turn in, all new porkers now turn in with PTV and rws.

I would even go as far as saying the GT4 is more drivers car than the new 911 even in manual form.

[RSVP911]

Fokker said:

RSVP911 said:

Fokker said:

Personally, I think prices of these used will start at about £180 - 190k possible push £200k for a well spec'd manual car or more who knows. Yes more than some RS' but you can't have a manual with the RS, that's your difference AND it has the old engine..

Maybe the odd one, but I think they will be nearer £k160 - I guess this depends on how well Porsche has done screening out the flippers - if there are virtually none available your figure will happen , however, the market is a clever thing & if your number happens, then the overs will be too much for some to resist and more cars will go up for sale and prices will reduce and settle - clever stuff this supply and demand thing

We'll see and as I know you'd like one I hope that's the case for you but I think 160k for a well spec'd example is low. Perhaps for a very base spec but not one with a spec you or I would want. A good well spec'd gen 1 is still 130k so 30k more for the new car? I can't see that personally. It would be great for all those that want a used but It just doesn't seem likely.

At the moment it's very hard to get one new and there's nothing on the used market.

Don't forget we have the addition of the Touring which is going to be very desirable in my opinion. Closer to 180 - 200k is my prediction for a good spec. Possibly over 200k for a well spec'd Touring and it'll be almost as rare as the 911 R in this country. Swindon just sold their 911R that was on for £425000. The Touring at 200k seems like a good deal.

We'll see but it's all speculation until it starts to unfold. The market will be appearing properly in about spring I reckon.

Thanks - I can see how you may think my post was related to wishful thinking on my part, but honestly it didn’t even cross my mind, as although I’d like one (in manual form), I will definitely not buy one for anything but very very low overs on the used market, as I’ll very happily stick with the RS.

You know what I think; we are probably both right, the only thing that separates us is time - they will start where you say and gradually reduce as people are lured into taking the profit and as supply increases, prices will reduce until equilibrium is hit and people stop selling as the profit isn’t enough and or, they are faced with “well what else is as good for the overs money”. In truth it’s only ever worth cashing in if you don’t plan to replace it with anything - that’s why I always keep mine - but for some the temptation is too great and the “gilded gage” feeling takes over and saps all the fun out of it and they declare; “I’m out” and sell.

It’s psychologically very interesting stuff.

Either way, really enjoy your car and don’t let all the “noise” destroy your enjoyment as if you’re not careful, it can - drive happy

Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 21st October 12:57

[MartinRS2K]

Fokker said:

Don't forget we have the addition of the Touring which is going to be very desirable in my opinion. Closer to 180 - 200k is my prediction for a good spec. Possibly over 200k for a well spec'd Touring and it'll be almost as rare as the 911 R in this country. Swindon just sold their 911R that was on for £425000. The Touring at 200k seems like a good deal.

We'll see but it's all speculation until it starts to unfold. The market will be appearing properly in about spring I reckon.

Has anyone ordered a Touring model yet? Presuming I get a 2018 allocation I am torn between a GT3 in Racing Yellow or a GT3 Touring model in Sapphire Blue (Unless PTS becomes a possibility which I have been told may happen in early 2018 for a month?)

Presuming that the cars still to come this year that weren't locked down before the Touring Option was launched in early September are circa 120-150 cars and there are another 150-200 for 2018 what uptake do you think there will be for the Touring option?

10% / 20%

So there may only be 30-40 Touring models in the UK? Thoughts....

[hunter 66]

Yes Isaldri , lost 45% depreciation on my GT3 from new in over 6 years .... not bad ...did a fair bit of mileage and the Ring a few times

[breadvan]

If reaction here is anything to go by, I think the next allocation will be over 50% Touring. Therefore I would guess up to 100 cars.

Also, Sapphire really suits the Touring imho.

[Robbo66]

isaldiri said:

Robbo66 said:

I still firmly believe that there are far too many of these halo cars being released, and this dilutes the demand and overs, at stratospheric levels, have and continue to disappear.

Is it really a bad thing there are many of these models are appearing? It means in theory more people get the chance to get one and ever increasing production numbers likewise help. It's actually a good thing if the insane levels being asked are going to be knocked back significantly. Porsche's objective isn't really to create huge overs secondhand after all. It wasn't so long ago all models of GT cars did actually depreciate.

No, I think it’s a great thing. I’ve been offered R’s at considerably below levels previously quoted, so the OPC who sold at £425 ...very well done

So, a new GT3 has been launched, quickly too, with what appears to be...slightly more torque and I’m not sure what else.

The 991 RS continues to therefore soften, and becomes a more appealing option in PDK IMV, and a few others I know. There are serious numbers of them for sale.

So you wait, are patient and pay small overs. Conversely, you gamble with the depreciation of several cooking models you’ve had to buy, with still no guarantee of a GT car.

Hobson’s choice....

[Tripe Bypass]

Robbo66 said:

No, I think it’s a great thing. I’ve been offered R’s at considerably below levels previously quoted, so the OPC who sold at £425 ...very well done

So, a new GT3 has been launched, quickly too, with what appears to be...slightly more torque and I’m not sure what else.

The 991 RS continues to therefore soften, and becomes a more appealing option in PDK IMV, and a few others I know. There are serious numbers of them for sale.

So you wait, are patient and pay small overs. Conversely, you gamble with the depreciation of several cooking models you’ve had to buy, with still no guarantee of a GT car.

Hobson’s choice....








Rather than gamble by buying several cooking models, surely it's easier to go the whole hog and buy a cooking model and offer it back to the OPC at vastly less than trade price.

For example, buy a new Panamera and then when you go to collect it, offer it back for tuppence in exchange for an order on a GT3 or Touring or GT3RS or somesuch. Then that allows said OPC to sell the GT car at list avoiding any grief from Porsche GB and you get to spec it exactly how you want it, rather than making do with some other flipper's spec.

I mean, who's gonna know?......

Edited by Tripe Bypass on Saturday 21st October 14:19

Edited by Tripe Bypass on Saturday 21st October 14:23