997 gt3 or gt4

[Phooey]

PaulAlex said:

Would most of you agree that values for both models will be heading south for the foreseeable future, but that the GT3 will probably move at a slower rate than the GT4?

My thoughts on this being that the GT3 has reached its "icon" status, despite already been replaced by various models, whereas the GT4 is yet to be super-ceded. Obviously miles and condition being an important factor too.

Thanks,

Paul

7GT3 values won't drop - but do agree they have peaked for the foreseeable. When you look at how much a 7RS is they are still the wise buy. Problem is is finding a good 7GT3. Future proofed by not being too technical, race heritage, small build numbers etc etc etc

GT4 will slowly drop. Always be sought after but Porsche built a lot and we still don't know what the future holds for the GT4

[PaulAlex]

Thanks ever so much guys - it's useful to have your experience validate my own thoughts!

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

who says we will even get a GT4 ? we might get a Cayman T !!! lol they don't have to call the next top Cayman a GT name.

it's really hard to see a NA unit into a Cayman in 2019 with all the EU regs etc. what engine have they got to put in it for a start ?

I cannot ever see a NA GT3 again as the race cars will go turbo and the next GT3 is now 4 years away. so the next RS in 2018 will be the last of the NA lumps also.

[Digga]

Cheib said:

I think values will most likely diverge to be honest....good spec i..e. Clubsport 997 GT3's of either generation still sell for decent money...

Phooey said:

7GT3 values won't drop...

7 GT3 prices will tank for the simple reason I have bought one.

Have just had my first proper, cross-country drive in the thing and can safely say I don't really give a stuff. I bought it to keep it - this morning has reinforced that decision - and, within the budget, don;t see anything else that offers the same qualities. The car is a thing in and of itself and driving it is a real experience.

[Phooey]

Digga said:

7 GT3 prices will tank for the simple reason I have bought one.

should be ok - so long as it's not white



Another point to add re (long term) values is ones a 911 and the other is a Cayman and whilst the GT4 is the first desirable entry level Porsche - would it, could it ever be collectible and have the following of a 911? I don't think so personally but time will tell..

[Digga]

Phooey said:

should be ok - so long as it's not white

Doh!

Phooey said:

Another point to add re (long term) values is ones a 911 and the other is a Cayman and whilst the GT4 is the first desirable entry level Porsche - would it, could it ever be collectible and have the following of a 911? I don't think so personally but time will tell..

The 991.1 GT3 (and, I assume, but have not driven, the 991.2 GT3) is a fine car. The DFI engine takes the high-revving flat six thing to another level, but it's not 'the Mezger'. The 991 offers a very different driving experience to the 997, just as the 997 does, compared to the 996. They're evolutions along a theme, but whilst some things are added to along the way, others either disappear or, at the very least dilute.

The 991 GT3 is incredibly capable and brings dynamics to the table that the 996/7 generation cars can never even approach, for example I would even admit to enjoying the PDK shift - sure it's different to a manual, but you really cannot fail to be impressed with the speed of shifting it provides. However the character of each of the older cars is distinct and not something that any amount of money can buy new in today's market, so there'll always be at least some demand for them.

[PaulAlex]

Digga said:

7 GT3 prices will tank for the simple reason I have bought one.

Have just had my first proper, cross-country drive in the thing and can safely say I don't really give a stuff. I bought it to keep it - this morning has reinforced that decision - and, within the budget, don;t see anything else that offers the same qualities. The car is a thing in and of itself and driving it is a real experience.

Am glad you're enjoying yours. I've just missed out on a very clean GT3, so I guess it back to playing the waiting game....;(

[Digga]

PaulAlex said:

Digga said:

7 GT3 prices will tank for the simple reason I have bought one.

Have just had my first proper, cross-country drive in the thing and can safely say I don't really give a stuff. I bought it to keep it - this morning has reinforced that decision - and, within the budget, don;t see anything else that offers the same qualities. The car is a thing in and of itself and driving it is a real experience.

Am glad you're enjoying yours. I've just missed out on a very clean GT3, so I guess it back to playing the waiting game....;(

Obviously, having been looking for a while, I am noticing that whilst prices are pretty flat, cars do seem to be shifting okay at most dealers. There's not too many about - not many ever registered in the UK - so if and when you see something that takes your fancy, you need to act and IMHO, you have to be a little bit flexible on spec if you are fussy about overall condition.

[hondansx]

For me, if both were even then snobbery would say 911 - it has the provenance a 'mere' Cayman will never touch.

I accept the Cayman is a better car on paper, but it is not as involving as a 997 GT3; not the same purity and reliance on the driver.

I have mates who will make the same comparison of the 996 GT3 to the 997, but I think it is a more pronounced difference with the Cayman - it is far more modern. Besides, the 996 GT3 is dog ugly (sorry, owners!).

I think it is quite telling of modern GT models in that I am considering getting another 991 GT3 as a daily driver, never to see a track. Great cars, but too complex and refined to be used as a track car but actually does daily duties fine whilst making you feel a bit special.

[ags11]

I was having a candid chat with my OPC today, re my GT4, he volunteered that it didn't look like there'd be a new GT4 next year.
I'd thought of selling in the spring, his thoughts were they'll be quite "solid" then. I dunno if he knows more than anyone else?! I tend to agree with him though.
I'd imagine by then there'll be a bit more accurate info on what's coming next, or not as the case may be.

[Fokker]

Porsche911R said:

PaulAlex said:

Would most of you agree that values for both models will be heading south for the foreseeable future,
Thanks,

Paul

both models look very stable imo the GT4 has gone up if you want the spec, they were £85k for about a year then a drop to £83k and now the cheapest OPC with leather and buckets and Carbon is £87k

just like the GT3 there is now a £20k divide from the low end higer miles models to the high spec lower miles models.

the thing is with the GT4 it seems if they drop to circa £83k at an OPC with the spec they sell very fast, the low spec ones don't and the high price ones don't sell that fast.

but for value the GT4 has most cars licked imo if you want a sub 10kmile 997 GT3 its over a £100k and if the want the 997.2 GT3 it's £130k (with buckets)

but you can buy a low miles high spec GT4 for £85k

I think it's true that GT4 prices have moved very little recently. I bought my second one in march and judging by current prices, they're still the same they were 6 months ago. I don't think we'll see huge changes from here on.

997 prices won't in my opinion come down. Unless we have a bubble burst, they'll just keep eeking up slightl or at least be stable. As for the GT4, I think prices are quite stable now too. There does now seem to be a more clear divide between a more in demand spec and one that's less attractive to the market.

[ChrisW.]

This is the most depressing post.

So much price.

Too much speculation.

So little driving.

No talk of chassis / safety and durability when really worked to the design spec limit / and yet everybody is a driving expert. Mezger is best and a silly weight distribution makes sense.

The game has moved on.

Porsche are worried that the GT4 is too good. Just look at how they hobbled the car with lack of geo adjustment and a modest pec engine ... so close, and then if you "tidy" it up you lose your warranty.

Do you want to know about the 964RS NGT that nearly stacked itself big time when a hub carrier broke at Spa ? Luckily it wasn't quite at the end of the Kemmel straight.... these cars are getting old ... for collectors not drivers.

The GT4 has real greatness in it's DNA.

Just wait and see ...

[LaSource]

hondansx said:

For me, if both were even then snobbery would say 911 - it has the provenance a 'mere' Cayman will never touch.

I accept the Cayman is a better car on paper, but it is not as involving as a 997 GT3; not the same purity and reliance on the driver.

I have mates who will make the same comparison of the 996 GT3 to the 997, but I think it is a more pronounced difference with the Cayman - it is far more modern. Besides, the 996 GT3 is dog ugly (sorry, owners!).

I think it is quite telling of modern GT models in that I am considering getting another 991 GT3 as a daily driver, never to see a track. Great cars, but too complex and refined to be used as a track car but actually does daily duties fine whilst making you feel a bit special.

All in the eyes of the beholder. My eyes must be wonky! I find the blend of how they drive with how they look just right

[isaldiri]

Think the thread quite clearly shows people somewhat lose the ability to be objective about the cars they own, whether in driving terms or in monetary value....

P.S not in reference to the looks of the 996, nothing wrong with them imo. Post came through just after

[LaSource]

isaldiri said:

Think the thread quite clearly shows people somewhat lose the ability to be objective about the cars they own, whether in driving terms or in monetary value....

P.S not in reference to the looks of the 996, nothing wrong with them imo. Post came through just after

No worries - I thought maybe you were thinking of withdrawing yourself from that pax lap at Silverstone later

[kevs 172]

They don’t look tooooo bad do they?

[LaSource]

kevs 172 said:

They don’t look tooooo bad do they?

That looks awesome!

You've upped the stake with gold BBS wheels! Must refrain

[Cheburator mk2]

kevs 172 said:

They don’t look tooooo bad do they?

'orrible little things...

[Digga]

In my eyes, the 996 GT3 looks pretty - a purity of line that is classic. The 997 GT3 is more of a handsome brute. The 991 GT3 still handsome, but more brutal again.

I really like the looks of the GT4 too. They sound great and, with the advent of the flat four and turbos too, I can definitely see a very valid argument for people talking about it, in the not too distant future, of being 'the last of', in the same way as the 997 GT3 Mezger. You won't be able to buy a car of it's like.

[kevs 172]

I need to come and meet some of you guys on a track day next year and you can teach me how to drive it properly!
Cheers