997 gt3 or gt4
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kev.RS said:
I meant that the GT3 has gone up to £80k+ from £50k ish in 2008 for the reason that it is rare and a special model.
I think the reason they were £50k in the first place - and also the reason we saw quite a few bargains around that time - was as much due to the boom and bust of the GFC as anything else.In terms of weekend fun car, It depends on what you want as a driver. They both deliver but differently. The GT4 is more accessible that the GT3 but the GT3 will be more rewarding to a driver who wishes to develop his skill set. Both quick on the same tyres the GT3 will have the edge but only if in skilled hands.
If value is absolutely everything - which sadly seems to be the main criteria for judging a GR car nowadays - then providing you do absolutely nothing to improve the performance of the GT3 then you are probably better advised going that route. Interestingly, it seems more acceptable to modify a GT4 than it does a GT3 which frankly is a travesty and shows just how little the market understands These cars. Oh, also - best not to drive it as the market doesn't like that either. It's really good to see GT4 owners embracing their cars and modifying them to improve the performance to their own preferences. As an I'll informed market places more value on the unmodified GT3 It seems more difficult for owner to justify the telatively light levels of modifications required to truly unlock their potential.
The market for GT3's has been pretty much ruined by buyers who place no value in enjoying a driving experience which surely is the sole reason for the cars existence. Huge respect to the minority who understand the benefit of tuning and are brace enough to stay true to that cause. I sincerely hope that the GT4 market is a little more educated and that the time honoured porsche tradition of careful and informed modification that make very good cars truly brilliant will live on.
If you are a genuine driving enthusiast who has some regard for residual values, For the above reasons is buy a GR4, modfify it and drive the wheels off of it for as long as I could.
If value is absolutely everything - which sadly seems to be the main criteria for judging a GR car nowadays - then providing you do absolutely nothing to improve the performance of the GT3 then you are probably better advised going that route. Interestingly, it seems more acceptable to modify a GT4 than it does a GT3 which frankly is a travesty and shows just how little the market understands These cars. Oh, also - best not to drive it as the market doesn't like that either. It's really good to see GT4 owners embracing their cars and modifying them to improve the performance to their own preferences. As an I'll informed market places more value on the unmodified GT3 It seems more difficult for owner to justify the telatively light levels of modifications required to truly unlock their potential.
The market for GT3's has been pretty much ruined by buyers who place no value in enjoying a driving experience which surely is the sole reason for the cars existence. Huge respect to the minority who understand the benefit of tuning and are brace enough to stay true to that cause. I sincerely hope that the GT4 market is a little more educated and that the time honoured porsche tradition of careful and informed modification that make very good cars truly brilliant will live on.
If you are a genuine driving enthusiast who has some regard for residual values, For the above reasons is buy a GR4, modfify it and drive the wheels off of it for as long as I could.
Steve Rance said:
If you are a genuine driving enthusiast who has some regard for residual values, For the above reasons is buy a GR4, modfify it and drive the wheels off of it for as long as I could.
This, in spades. GT4 is on the slide, and would be perfect to modify. I am looking to do this at some point.Digga said:
kev.RS said:
I meant that the GT3 has gone up to £80k+ from £50k ish in 2008 for the reason that it is rare and a special model.
I think the reason they were £50k in the first place - and also the reason we saw quite a few bargains around that time - was as much due to the boom and bust of the GFC as anything else.I dont think you can compare a 997.1 to a GT4 for what its worth. I'd much rather have a GT4.
Comparison has to be 997.2 and they're what, £35k more expensive? The 997 GT3's all lost money when new, I dare say the GT4 will start to appreciate in time as well giving it a few years.
The GT4 is a bargain if you ask me at the moment but it comes down to whether you want to spend £85k for a good one or min £110k possibly £120k for a good 997.2 GT3 and then for proper future value appeal you need a Club Sport car so you could be looking at closer to £40k more expensive?
Can you really compare them with a £35 - 40k divide?
Comparison has to be 997.2 and they're what, £35k more expensive? The 997 GT3's all lost money when new, I dare say the GT4 will start to appreciate in time as well giving it a few years.
The GT4 is a bargain if you ask me at the moment but it comes down to whether you want to spend £85k for a good one or min £110k possibly £120k for a good 997.2 GT3 and then for proper future value appeal you need a Club Sport car so you could be looking at closer to £40k more expensive?
Can you really compare them with a £35 - 40k divide?
Fokker said:
I dont think you can compare a 997.1 to a GT4 for what its worth.
Comparison has to be 997.2 and they're what, £35k more expensive?
Why? I don't see why only the 7.2 is worthy to be compared with the gt4. Comparison has to be 997.2 and they're what, £35k more expensive?
As you point out, the 7.1 is much closer in price and one would presumably only want to be buying a well maintained car anyway in the first place so it's not like you'd need to do a full refresh of one. And the 7.1gt3 is far closer as a car to drive to the 7.2 than the gt4 is to either of the 7gt3s.
They all have a firm following and people will buy what they like so no one can really answer what the OP wants.
I think when the 997.1 were £65k to £70k then it was a good choice to opt for it, now at £85k to £90k vs a GT4 I cannot see why you would go 997.1, but people do so that's that.
I think when the 997.1 were £65k to £70k then it was a good choice to opt for it, now at £85k to £90k vs a GT4 I cannot see why you would go 997.1, but people do so that's that.
isaldiri said:
Why? I don't see why only the 7.2 is worthy to be compared with the gt4.
As you point out, the 7.1 is much closer in price and one would presumably only want to be buying a well maintained car anyway in the first place so it's not like you'd need to do a full refresh of one. And the 7.1gt3 is far closer as a car to drive to the 7.2 than the gt4 is to either of the 7gt3s.
As with 996 GT3's its getting much harder to find a good 997 GT3 these days and its very probable that it'll be needing something. As you point out, the 7.1 is much closer in price and one would presumably only want to be buying a well maintained car anyway in the first place so it's not like you'd need to do a full refresh of one. And the 7.1gt3 is far closer as a car to drive to the 7.2 than the gt4 is to either of the 7gt3s.
The 997.2 will be a bit fresher and a little more modern hence my comment but I agree, the 911's will be similar in experience to each other..
Fokker said:
As with 996 GT3's its getting much harder to find a good 997 GT3 these days and its very probable that it'll be needing something.
Not if you buy a well maintained one as i said. The solution is to look harder than settle for something else surely.... As I keep on saying the cars imo drive very differently. If you like one over another the other one isn't really a true substitute.isaldiri said:
Not if you buy a well maintained one as i said. The solution is to look harder than settle for something else surely.... As I keep on saying the cars imo drive very differently. If you like one over another the other one isn't really a true substitute.
Yes absolutely. As you say, just got to look hard to find oneTwinfan said:
It has a Mezger engine, it's a 911 not a Cayman, it's a GT3 and it's more exclusive than a GT4. I would imagine they're pretty high up the reasons list for the people who buy them.
I don’t really care for those 3 reason lol Mezger is over hyped for a road car engine and frustrating.
911 not a Cayman, well I am on my 4th Cayman IMO it’s a better layout and a smaller car.
Exclusive holds nothing much for me.
The cars I own have to work for how I use them if they don’t they soon get sold.
I am not a collector or a 911 fan boy :-) , life was better when cars dropped in price.
Have you owned a GT3 ?
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 17th October 22:32
Porsche911R said:
life was better when cars dropped in price.
I still believe that was a snapshot, a moment in time. If you look at the cost now for either a GT4 or GT3, secondhand prices are, arguably, not too far out of kilter.The upper reaches of the Porsche brand's sports cars are, to varying degrees, victims of their own success - there's not actually a wrong answer to the question posed in the OP - and, for a short while at least, there will be sufficient demand to keep used prices.
And much as it may well be over-hyped, I do love the character of the Mezger and there is no arguing it's a truly great engine and, looked after right, very reliable. Mind you, Porsche seem to be making strides with the new unit in terms of durability, word is the new 991.2 Carrera Cup cars will have engine and gearbox overhaul intervals upped from 50 to 100 hours.
Twinfan said:
Porsche911R said:
I cannot see why you would go 997.1
It has a Mezger engine, it's a 911 not a Cayman, it's a GT3 and it's more exclusive than a GT4. I would imagine they're pretty high up the reasons list for the people who buy them.Porsche911R said:
gearing is just as long in the GT3 with less Torque available at 4k vs the GT4 ;-)
It's VERY hard to get to see that last 1000 rpm which makes the GT3 and hence it's a frustrating car in many respects.
most of my drives were, "it's coming , it's coming, it's coming, f
k I need to brake" and repeat, unlike a 600BHP turbo monster where you can dabble in the power, it's takes a long bit of road to hit the magic numbers in 3rd gear in the GT3 and hence I could not buy another.
GT4 feels far from normal lol go try a basic Merc :-) . but yes the GT3 feels more "hardcore" but not hardcore enough to be a weekend only car at £85k sitting about.
Genuine question - not a swipe, honestly : Do you think the 991.2 will solve your frustrations with the GT3 as reading this, I can’t see why you’d want one ? It's VERY hard to get to see that last 1000 rpm which makes the GT3 and hence it's a frustrating car in many respects.
most of my drives were, "it's coming , it's coming, it's coming, f
k I need to brake" and repeat, unlike a 600BHP turbo monster where you can dabble in the power, it's takes a long bit of road to hit the magic numbers in 3rd gear in the GT3 and hence I could not buy another.GT4 feels far from normal lol go try a basic Merc :-) . but yes the GT3 feels more "hardcore" but not hardcore enough to be a weekend only car at £85k sitting about.
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 16th October 18:46
RSVP911 said:
Genuine question - not a swipe, honestly : Do you think the 991.2 will solve your frustrations with the GT3 as reading this, I can’t see why you’d want one ?
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