Anyone for ‘T’
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Been looking to get myself a GT3 for some time, now in the position to be able to afford a 997.1/2 GT3.
However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car.
What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T?
This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241
The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s.
Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas.
However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car.
What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T?
This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241
The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s.
Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas.
Dr S said:
The farty stuff is horrid IMHO any why anyone would want this is beyond me. The low down torque is great in an SUV but in a sports car I prefer the rush and howl from homing in on 9000 Rpm any day of the week.
Turbo cars have a good following due to how usable they are.So while I cannot see the point in this T model, it’s not down to it being a turbo, that’s just a personal choice.
Torque wins races, look at the shorter ratio more torque GT3 and the new GT2 RS ring record.
I agree that Fart box over run seems a rich mans chav fad and is dire mind you.
But I like turbo's eps on today’s roads where overtaking is now harder due to how people drive.
Bmdub said:
Been looking to get myself a GT3 for some time, now in the position to be able to afford a 997.1/2 GT3.
However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car.
What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T?
This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241
The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s.
Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas.
Boxster Spyder 987.2 for a weekend use and driving experience. However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car.
What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T?
This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241
The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s.
Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas.
You have chosen 2 extremes with an old GT3 or a turbo 911, neither of which fits your remit imo.
Bmdub said:
Been looking to get myself a GT3 for some time, now in the position to be able to afford a 997.1/2 GT3.
However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car.
What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T?
This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241
The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s.
Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas.
I do think a properly spec'd 'T' will be more usable and just as much fun. The 997GT3 will have a, arguably, better engine, and might be more 'collectable' but you'd have to keep the mileage low if that's the priority.However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car.
What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T?
This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241
The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s.
Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas.
If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes.
Koln-RS said:
I do think a properly spec'd 'T' will be more usable and just as much fun. The 997GT3 will have a, arguably, better engine, and might be more 'collectable' but you'd have to keep the mileage low if that's the priority.
If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes.
So would the base model and £8k in your pocket :-) or upgrade to the S for the same money give or take. If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes.
GT4 , 997 GTS, Cayman R, Boxster Spyder old or new model, 991.1 GTS , basic 997.2 S
If you want pork, or a Exige Sport 380 as an outside the brand weekend choice.
All better and more fun than the op choice imo :-) for a week end car all will hold value also.
Koln-RS said:
I do think a properly spec'd 'T' will be more usable and just as much fun. The 997GT3 will have a, arguably, better engine, and might be more 'collectable' but you'd have to keep the mileage low if that's the priority.
If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes.
Thanks for your advice, it's a tricky one because I've wanted a gt3 for as long as I can remember, I like the stripped back rawness of it and that is what is appealing about the 'T'.If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes.
Got a test drive in a standard carrera tomorrow to get an idea, as I am also only used to driving a N/A M3.
The new 911T has been a slow burner for me. At first I was really excited then deflated. I did not think Porsche would offer a detuned GT engine but I did think they would offer the GT gearbox. When I found out it was a "normal" manual transmission attached to a normal engine I was disappointed.
However the more I have read and looked into the 911 T the more I am interested. Firstly I like how it has less sound deadening and lighter windows. I like how the suspension sits 20mm lower and tuned for the roads. I like how you can spec the car with GT options and I like how it looks like a 911R & GT3 Touring for a lot less money at list price not even taking into consideration flippers prices.
I have read people saying once you spec a 911T it it getting close to GT3 money but you would not buy a standard GT3! If you spec a GT3 the way you want it it becomes a £125-130k car easily.
I look forward to watching and reading some reviews of the 911T.
However the more I have read and looked into the 911 T the more I am interested. Firstly I like how it has less sound deadening and lighter windows. I like how the suspension sits 20mm lower and tuned for the roads. I like how you can spec the car with GT options and I like how it looks like a 911R & GT3 Touring for a lot less money at list price not even taking into consideration flippers prices.
I have read people saying once you spec a 911T it it getting close to GT3 money but you would not buy a standard GT3! If you spec a GT3 the way you want it it becomes a £125-130k car easily.
I look forward to watching and reading some reviews of the 911T.
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The GTS was launched 1st and is a standard model has nothing to do with GT3 clients.
If you look at the forums on here, a lot of GTS buyers are ones that cannot get into a GT3, whichever way you look at it, the car marketed and considered below the GT3 is the GTS. When I couldn't get into a GT3, the first thing the salesman said was 'how about a GTS' and Porsche want us to consider it as such. The fact that it is not even close to it is sad. It perhaps a fairer description is a GTS light!
The GTS was launched 1st and is a standard model has nothing to do with GT3 clients.
If you look at the forums on here, a lot of GTS buyers are ones that cannot get into a GT3, whichever way you look at it, the car marketed and considered below the GT3 is the GTS. When I couldn't get into a GT3, the first thing the salesman said was 'how about a GTS' and Porsche want us to consider it as such. The fact that it is not even close to it is sad. It perhaps a fairer description is a GTS light!
Bmdub said:
Been looking to get myself a GT3 for some time, now in the position to be able to afford a 997.1/2 GT3.
However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car.
What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T?
This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241
The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s.
Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas.
Sorry but you just cannot compare a base 911T to any GT3, they are so different in character, drive and sound. The GT3 is an animal, I consider the 911T to a Mazda MX5 - I know they are different price points etc but the MX5 is a true drivers carHowever I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car.
What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T?
This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241
The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s.
Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas.
Koln-RS said:
I do think a properly spec'd 'T' will be more usable and just as much fun. The 997GT3 will have a, arguably, better engine, and might be more 'collectable' but you'd have to keep the mileage low if that's the priority.
If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes.
Thanks for your advice, it's a tricky one because I've wanted a gt3 for as long as I can remember, I like the stripped back rawness of it and that is what is appealing about the 'T'.If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes.
Got a test drive in a standard carrera tomorrow to get an idea, as I am also only used to driving a N/A M3.
if you spec it with light-weight buckets (also meaning no rear seats), PCCBs and no PCM then that's a fair wad of weight to be lost. include rear-wheel steering you'd be looking at a £100k build.
lightest 991.2 you can get though?
could make an awesome road/track car esp with the shorter gearing & diff. it's just the question of that turbo engine, not convinced of it...
lightest 991.2 you can get though?
could make an awesome road/track car esp with the shorter gearing & diff. it's just the question of that turbo engine, not convinced of it...
As someone else said here and not something I'd considered - if you take out the back seats, why not buy a GT4, that's a fair shout.
The other point which I think is also worth a shout out to and that is the GT3 is a great advert for Porsche - we all want one but they purposely don't make enough so we all try to buy the next best thing (whatever each of us think that is), these are the cars that make Porsche their money and there is more profit in a 911S or 911T etc than a GT3 -brilliant!
The other point which I think is also worth a shout out to and that is the GT3 is a great advert for Porsche - we all want one but they purposely don't make enough so we all try to buy the next best thing (whatever each of us think that is), these are the cars that make Porsche their money and there is more profit in a 911S or 911T etc than a GT3 -brilliant!
Jacko.1 said:
As someone else said here and not something I'd considered - if you take out the back seats, why not buy a GT4, that's a fair shout.
I agree - as a 2 seater the GT4 is hard to beat.. but it's no longer available so would have to be used at list price or above, and it's a Cayman not a 911. Even better shout - a brand new 991.2 GTS is £95k. You can have it without rear seats. It's a 911. Faster than any Cayman and easily as capable. I know which I'd rather have.
anonymous said:
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Interesting thoughts, I traded from a NA 991S To a 3.0t S and lasted 3 months before I moved it on, it just didn't excite me at all. Trouble is, there isnt anything else out there at that sort of price that interests me. I am hoping a GTS brings back some of the lost excitement - if not, then God knows where I go from there.Dammit said:
And that’s kinda the point.It’s lovely and all but it’s 8 years old and things will start needing replacing.
For over £15k less I am getting my own bespoke, personally tailored 911 that (arguably) is more useable more of time in the UK and is fully warrantied. It has its whole life ahead of it.
Porsche could have been bolder with the spec but for how I am actually going to use the car, I expect it is going to be pretty damn fine.
I've got an 18 year old 996 that I'm (somewhat obsessively) making new again, so I can appreciate that you have to want that as part of the ownership experience for it not to be a massive PITA.
I suppose I'm just thinking that the only cars that are available now, and that are going to be available in future that fit with the desires of a certain group of Porsche enthusiasts (who can't get into the allocation for the new GT3's), are the old(er) ones.
I suppose I'm just thinking that the only cars that are available now, and that are going to be available in future that fit with the desires of a certain group of Porsche enthusiasts (who can't get into the allocation for the new GT3's), are the old(er) ones.
Do we really want a GT3 but because Porsche won't sell us one, we buy a 911T instead? Do you think I am going to sit with a GT3 poster on my wall and drive a GTS or a T? Are we really that simple? It's not even a sports car it's an imitation of an imitation with a phoney exhaust like the 996 C4S had, that sounds mean at 25 mph. That's what is embarrassing. Every time you start it up the neighbours are going to think 'what a p----.' You're going to look and sound like a teenager in a modded Corsa in that thing. If they were forced to go turbo on their full range I could accept that. But they aren't. One day Bentley or BMW or Aston Martin are going to offer us the real deal and we will see Porsche for what they are.
Edited by cardigankid on Sunday 29th October 23:43
The GT3 has always been a sledge hammer to crack a walnut. Until 1999 porsche took weight out of a cooking C2 sharpened up the suspension and transmission and called it an RS. The GT3 came along to give some credibility to the 996 range. It was a quantum leap forward from a C2 as all GT3's that followed it. Personally I think that a GT3 should spend some of its life on the track because if a driver wants to truly unlock its potential that's the only place it can realistically be done. The T appears to be following the traditional RS route which may well end up with a drivers car that will provide fun and engagement For a driver not looking to necessarily track his or her car. If this is what the T ultimately becomes it could well be a lovely car.
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