Anyone for ‘T’
Discussion
Sustenpass said:
Didn't Ferrari recently tune their turbo V8s to mimic the power delivery of the N/A ones?
Perhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing.
Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera.
The 3.0t is also tuned to offer a very linear driving performance and is quite unlike a Turbo that has a sudden huge rush of torque - it just delivers it at any speed, in any gearPerhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing.
Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera.
Sustenpass said:
Didn't Ferrari recently tune their turbo V8s to mimic the power delivery of the N/A ones?
Perhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing.
Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera.
Yup, torque is limited in lower gears and it increases linearly rather than coming in all at once:Perhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing.
Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera.
i.e. you don't get all the shove from very low revs which is one of things that people like me don't like about turbos.
If they could do something similar to future 911s, I may well get interested again.
Jacko.1 said:
Sustenpass said:
Didn't Ferrari recently tune their turbo V8s to mimic the power delivery of the N/A ones?
Perhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing.
Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera.
The 3.0t is also tuned to offer a very linear driving performance and is quite unlike a Turbo that has a sudden huge rush of torque - it just delivers it at any speed, in any gearPerhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing.
Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera.
Certainly seems like a way of engineering out some of that homogenous, samey feel that modern turbo engines have.
But I do tend to agree with the sentiment that this car is like a scrap of leftovers for the less-entitled to froth over while they have no chance of buying the real thing.
But I do tend to agree with the sentiment that this car is like a scrap of leftovers for the less-entitled to froth over while they have no chance of buying the real thing.
I think Steve's comment that you should think of it like a modern version of an aircooled RS is about right. There was very little love for the 964RS back in the day as far as I understand. My mate picked one up for peanuts in about '93 or so (still has it, lucky boy!). 10 bhp more, a bit lighter, a bit lower, some welding a regular driver wouldn't care about and some bucket seats. It may not be a parts bin special but it's pretty close and now no-one appears to complain.
Honestly, Porsche appear to be moving the GT3 range into being a supercar rather than a track car (although it's still clearly fab) as the latter. So there is room in the lineup for a T/RS-as-was for those who are willing to pay a premium for a few small but important for them changes that make it a bit more exciting to drive than a regular 911.
Just such a shame they've given it a turbo motor.
Honestly, Porsche appear to be moving the GT3 range into being a supercar rather than a track car (although it's still clearly fab) as the latter. So there is room in the lineup for a T/RS-as-was for those who are willing to pay a premium for a few small but important for them changes that make it a bit more exciting to drive than a regular 911.
Just such a shame they've given it a turbo motor.
anonymous said:
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Yeah I was just using the GTS as a curve ball like others have with the GT4. Tbh I wouldn't be able to live with a stripper GTS (I'd feel that being top of the range Carrera it has to have a big spec - interior packs etc etc so £100k+) so the T appeals to me more too - especially if on a budget. And the more I think over the T the more it genuinely appeals because as good as the .2GTS is (it's very very fast! / feels faster than the GT3) it's just unfortunately all over too quick in each gear - hence once the warp-factor-grin has worn off the T could be a bit more fun to live with and use. Pricing was my main issue - the original T was 10% cheaper than the S - now they are both the same. Different times..
ags11 said:
I tend to agree the T is picking up potential GT3 buyers. I've been chasing after a Touring, I'll be pleasantly surprised if I get one.
I drove a GTS, I wasn't that keen,it being so close to GT3 money. Without upsetting anyone, I felt it was a middle aged fat cat cruiser.
Oddly though the T attracts me! Is it clever marketing? Or is more or less? I dunno!!
It's certainly a much more attractive concept,if nothing else.
that's crazy, it's soooo far away from the GT3. I'm surprised that OPC's are getting so many orders, this car is barely different than a base one, I suspect people are thinking about depreciation or possibly of it appreciating ? and for a change they can actually order oneI drove a GTS, I wasn't that keen,it being so close to GT3 money. Without upsetting anyone, I felt it was a middle aged fat cat cruiser.
Oddly though the T attracts me! Is it clever marketing? Or is more or less? I dunno!!
It's certainly a much more attractive concept,if nothing else.
anonymous said:
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I just went and had a readup on the 964 RS and take your point - it's much more bespoke than I thought! Funny as when I had a 15 min drive of one (second air cooled car I'd ever driven after a 993 C4!) I don't remember it as feeling as extreme, although to be fair I wasn't thrashing it. I agree, the T is not going to be vastly different from the base or S cars, but that said in terms of chassis stiffness there's probably not a lot they could do to a T to make it stiffer than it already is without adding weight. Ditto taking weight out - one imagines there was a lot more fat to be trimmed out of a 964 C2 than a 991 C2. As a hypothetical, if you specced buckets, a no nonsense interior and then spent a couple of £k more on warranty busting PSS10s or similar, you'd effectively have a 991.2 "RS"Stiff chassis? Check
LSD? Check
Buckets? Check
Some (albeit not much) weight saving? Check
Much more focussed suspension? Check
Shorter ratios? Check
That's a lot of the 964 RS changes covered and a very different drive to a vanilla C2 I'd wager. So in my mind it would be closer to the RS-ethos than to 991.2 GT3, not least because it's keeping the same engine as the 991.2 C2
Guess it's academic though as no-one is going to buy a T then replace its suspension
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A bit off topic, one thing on 9x1.x PASM suspension though, while it's soft, it's never felt too soft for me. PASM on my 981 BGTS was set up spot on for the road in my opinion - Normal when pottering or on a bad surface, and Sport when having a bit of fun or on track. Even X71 was completely liveable on the road. Was all a bit of a triumph IMO. My 997 GTS set up is much more compromised - Sport mode is useless on the road, you lose you teeth - and on track, while it does improve things a bit, I could live without it.
anonymous said:
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Here's hoping 
After falling in love with the 911 concept at the late age of 26 (2008), although very first-world-problemy I find it very sad they don't currently make a car that I want that they will sell me. I had so much fun speccing/buying/collecting my BGTS it's rather disappointing to think I may not be able to do that again with a 911. And this is coming from someone who was up until a couple of years ago dead set against buying new carsMario149 said:
A bit off topic, one thing on 9x1.x PASM suspension though, while it's soft, it's never felt too soft for me. PASM on my 981 BGTS was set up spot on for the road in my opinion - Normal when pottering or on a bad surface, and Sport when having a bit of fun or on track. Even X73 was completely liveable on the road. Was all a bit of a triumph IMO.
Totally agree. 9x1.x PASM is fabulous - fantastically comfortable and composed with superb handling. Utterly brilliant! 
anonymous said:
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Apologies for selective quoting but I have to say I'm not sure I entirely agree. I thought they had blue printed engine and matched pistons or maybe I have that wrong. But open door, settle into tricolour bucket seat, fiddle about with immobiliser trying to find the slot, more fumbling with ignition key before time runs out, turn key, don’t go near throttle and let it settle into that inimitable lumpy idle. Still in the garage but already special enough for me.
No a/c so could be warm work on a hot day at Brands.
TGETV said:
Have put deposit down, & have since done a spec I would like.
Has come out at £108k. Whoops.
Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary.
What's everyone elses specs coming out at?
lol might last you a week at the rate you sell the cars ;-pHas come out at £108k. Whoops.
Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary.
What's everyone elses specs coming out at?
out of interest why did you not like about the BMW M4 DTM ?
it ticks a lot of boxes for me, but you said you had issues with it, or was that just with the dealer.
TGETV said:
Have put deposit down, & have since done a spec I would like.
Has come out at £108k. Whoops.
Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary.
What's everyone elses specs coming out at?
All academic as I'm not ordering one, but for a bit of fun....Has come out at £108k. Whoops.
Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary.
What's everyone elses specs coming out at?
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Porsche911R said:
lol might last you a week at the rate you sell the cars ;-p
out of interest why did you not like about the BMW M4 DTM ?
it ticks a lot of boxes for me, but you said you had issues with it, or was that just with the dealer.
Nah I'll keep this for a while, will hopefully be early next year and run until 812 arrives - then sell if I can't afford to keep alongside, or keep ideally.out of interest why did you not like about the BMW M4 DTM ?
it ticks a lot of boxes for me, but you said you had issues with it, or was that just with the dealer.
DTM tbh was fine, no issues - was another track car when I already had one, (GT3RS) so was surplus to requirements. I was intending on running it alongside my F12 but circumstances led me to have the RS by the time it turned up.
anonymous said:
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Fair enough, what you say certainly makes sense though as I never had a C2 it’s hard to know for sure. My reaction to this current thread was more À la recherche du temps perdu; simple minded misty eyed reminiscences of “how much better it was in the old days” 
anonymous said:
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Closest thing I suppose was the 959, but that was $300k US when new.I can't really see Porsche releasing a lower priced N/A car, much as I'd like to see one.
I've banged on about this before, but I used to think it'd be good if the options list contained more of the GT elements as options: 6-speed box/shorter ratios/LWFW, weight removal etc. Now that the mainstream stuff is turbo and the halo cars aren't, perhaps these parts are less likely to bolt together.
TGETV said:
Have put deposit down, & have since done a spec I would like.
Has come out at £108k. Whoops.
Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary.
What's everyone elses specs coming out at?
Has come out at £108k. Whoops.
Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary.
What's everyone elses specs coming out at?
To put things in perspective that's approx £2k more than i paid for my 991.2GTS PDK RWS coupe back in May.
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