Anyone for ‘T’
Discussion
Secret director said:
I’ve got the glass roof and I love it.... Adds more theatre to the experience and even more noise into the cabin..... and love the extra light in the car as well.. I also think that the black roof gives the visual effect of lowering the car....... I love the bucket seats but not an alcantara fan and the steering wheel add was also a no no.... for me..... Also like the fact I can get the kids in the back ...!!
Has anyone got a fix on the early cars for the DAB yet..?
No update on my DAB and I am picking up my car on Saturday!Has anyone got a fix on the early cars for the DAB yet..?
Not very impressed to be honest
Bmdub said:
Secret director said:
I’ve got the glass roof and I love it.... Adds more theatre to the experience and even more noise into the cabin..... and love the extra light in the car as well.. I also think that the black roof gives the visual effect of lowering the car....... I love the bucket seats but not an alcantara fan and the steering wheel add was also a no no.... for me..... Also like the fact I can get the kids in the back ...!!
Has anyone got a fix on the early cars for the DAB yet..?
No update on my DAB and I am picking up my car on Saturday!Has anyone got a fix on the early cars for the DAB yet..?
Not very impressed to be honest
chris38 said:
Bmdub said:
Secret director said:
....Has anyone got a fix on the early cars for the DAB yet..?
No update on my DAB and I am picking up my car on Saturday!Not very impressed to be honest
Edited by WizzBang on Thursday 10th May 22:17
av185 said:
Basically less is more with the T
GTS is an attractive package but add in some necessary options and it is an expensive non GT Porsche for GT3 (new) money. Bit lardy too. Unlike the 997 GTS.
A T, late GT4 or 981 Spyder would be where the smart money goes.
T is a back to basics ethos and promises a great slightly retro package.
Rare too.
The only part i understand here is the rare partGTS is an attractive package but add in some necessary options and it is an expensive non GT Porsche for GT3 (new) money. Bit lardy too. Unlike the 997 GTS.
A T, late GT4 or 981 Spyder would be where the smart money goes.
T is a back to basics ethos and promises a great slightly retro package.
Rare too.
The T is not actually lighter is it in a significant way
If anything i would think the GTS would feel less lardy 25kg weight and 70hp more seems like a fair trade
And the wide body to me is a plus i can see why some would prefer a narrow body
But otherwise for me the value point in looking for a sporting modern 911 is the 2wd gts coupe its not much more than the T and offers decently more power and spec and its available manual too
dvshannow said:
av185 said:
Basically less is more with the T
GTS is an attractive package but add in some necessary options and it is an expensive non GT Porsche for GT3 (new) money. Bit lardy too. Unlike the 997 GTS.
A T, late GT4 or 981 Spyder would be where the smart money goes.
T is a back to basics ethos and promises a great slightly retro package.
Rare too.
The only part i understand here is the rare partGTS is an attractive package but add in some necessary options and it is an expensive non GT Porsche for GT3 (new) money. Bit lardy too. Unlike the 997 GTS.
A T, late GT4 or 981 Spyder would be where the smart money goes.
T is a back to basics ethos and promises a great slightly retro package.
Rare too.
The T is not actually lighter is it in a significant way
If anything i would think the GTS would feel less lardy 25kg weight and 70hp more seems like a fair trade
And the wide body to me is a plus i can see why some would prefer a narrow body
But otherwise for me the value point in looking for a sporting modern 911 is the 2wd gts coupe its not much more than the T and offers decently more power and spec and its available manual too
moonigan said:
A Miami Blue car with buckets has just arrived at JZM. Not on the website yet but will be interesting to see what kind of overs is being asked.
I am not sure I believe there’s an “overs market” I popped into an OPC yesterday, they still have two T’s unsold looking for a home. I wasn’t asking about a T specifically but I was told that in the context of cars they have unsold before the factory shuts down. He said they have people that want Carrera S’s but can’t get them. Got the impression the T hasn’t been as big a sales success as people may think. Anyone want to know which OPC PM me. It’s in SE.
The 1 or 2 cars I've seen so far knocking about have been very odd specs. Won't name names.
The right cars are going for overs, know of two that've sold £10k over. Although that said the amount mine came to I doubt mine will be haha. Truly buzzing to get mine Saturday!
The right cars are going for overs, know of two that've sold £10k over. Although that said the amount mine came to I doubt mine will be haha. Truly buzzing to get mine Saturday!
Cheib said:
I am not sure I believe there’s an “overs market” I popped into an OPC yesterday, they still have two T’s unsold looking for a home. I wasn’t asking about a T specifically but I was told that in the context of cars they have unsold before the factory shuts down. He said they have people that want Carrera S’s but can’t get them. Got the impression the T hasn’t been as big a sales success as people may think.
Anyone want to know which OPC PM me. It’s in SE.
Anyone want to know which OPC PM me. It’s in SE.
TGETV said:
£10k premium
crazy to think people are paying £110,000 for a well spec'd example of these (I don't think speccing 'lightness' as such will affect resale value at all as no one is under any illusion about the insignificance of 10kg)for that price I'd be more inclined to get a used 991 GT3, a Turbo S if I didn't mind depreciation and wanted speed or perhaps if I did euro trips a LHD 458 or a 12C
Nick981 said:
boringbeige said:
I have both and can assure you that the T and the GTS are quite different, more so than you d think...
Please could you expand on this?However GTS 991s are very spec sensitive. I had a 991.1 for a year and hated it; then figured out why, so sold it and bought another 991.1 GTS with a different spec and love it. I bought a 991.2 GTS to the same spec as my second 991.1 GTS and hated that too, so sold it and kept my second 991.1.
I've had manual and pdk 991.1 GTS's and imo the engine suits the pdk better. And I almost hate myself for admitting that.
I've had ceramics and steels and think the steels are better on a GTS.
Speccing the 18 way seats brings a more user friendly set of seating/steering/memory options but this is a heavy option, for those that worry about such things.
The glass panoramic sunroof completey f
ks up the GTS chassis....they are built to ride higher and softer...only a bit but enough to feel. Also the body stiffness is less, enough to notice. Loads of people spec the panoramic cos it certainly looks good but it stops the GTS being as 'sporty' as it should be. The entire glass roof is only loosely bonded in, to avoid it getting stressed or twisted which might crack it.NEVER SPEC A GTS WITH A PANORAMIC ROOF.
My T rides 10mm higher than my GTS and I can feel this from the driving position and the c-o-g.
My T rides firmer than my GTS, I feel more pot holes and cats eyes in my T.
The brakes on my T lack the 'grab' of the brakes on my GTS. They are both steel. The discs on my T are actually nearly 15mm larger but the calipers have 4 pots and on my GTS they are 6 pots. My GTS has better braking.
Both interiors are equally nice places to be. I have the full GTS interior and the full T interior.
The T is about as quick as the GTS despite being 60bhp down. They both put very similar numbers on the dial.
The T has noticeably more low rev shove.
The T has noticeably less high rev shove.
The T does 'come on song' at 5k revs and to give it some credit it is a brilliant engine, but imo it doesnt match the character or reach of the GTS engine.
The manual box in the T is excellent in the first 5 gears but shockingly s
t once past that. It's not the mechanical quality of the gearchange that s the problem. It's trying to put the bloody stick in the right bloody hole . Coming down the box from 7th or 6th I double de clutch. And that s ridiculous in 2018.The T feels heavier at the back than my GTS. The fore/aft weight distribution is different.
The T is a bit narrower, enough to be noticeable on smaller lanes.
Here's an analogy for you: Picture a man walking a tight rope - my GTS feels like a tight rope walker holding his arms out wide and my T feels like a tight rope walker with his hands in his pockets. One is making it look easy with minimal body movement and effort. The other is working much harder to achieve the same level of balance. That's how these cars feel, the pasm on the T has to work much harder to maintain the level of control I ask for.
As is usual with Porsche sports cars (specced as the engineers would want, not as the marketing team or salesman would want) both of these cars feel great when driven steady, then feel not quite so great (enough to pick faults) when driven briskly or even quite fast; but then if you go quicker still, then even quicker, then really really hard - and they become brilliant. imo better than any GT car, except maybe for the 997.1 RS. for the road that is.
On the kind of roads we have in rural UK, poor surfaces covered in cow s
t and leaves, potholes, random cambers, pronounced crowns, narrow, crumbling edges in our kind of miserable weather - I can drive these cars to a level where other makes of cars I've had have broken. These feel fine and ready for more. After some drives I have been genuinely astounded by how much punishment these cars can take. The engineering is hugely impressive and i think it's such a shame that many owners will never know that.
If I had to pick just one of these tho, to keep as a road car, it would be my GTS. The T is very close to it tho.
I would rather have my T than a 991.2 GTS.
Anything else ...?
boringbeige said:
Nick981 said:
boringbeige said:
I have both and can assure you that the T and the GTS are quite different, more so than you d think...
Please could you expand on this?However GTS 991s are very spec sensitive. I had a 991.1 for a year and hated it; then figured out why, so sold it and bought another 991.1 GTS with a different spec and love it. I bought a 991.2 GTS to the same spec as my second 991.1 GTS and hated that too, so sold it and kept my second 991.1.
I've had manual and pdk 991.1 GTS's and imo the engine suits the pdk better. And I almost hate myself for admitting that.
I've had ceramics and steels and think the steels are better on a GTS.
Speccing the 18 way seats brings a more user friendly set of seating/steering/memory options but this is a heavy option, for those that worry about such things.
The glass panoramic sunroof completey f
ks up the GTS chassis....they are built to ride higher and softer...only a bit but enough to feel. Also the body stiffness is less, enough to notice. Loads of people spec the panoramic cos it certainly looks good but it stops the GTS being as 'sporty' as it should be. The entire glass roof is only loosely bonded in, to avoid it getting stressed or twisted which might crack it.NEVER SPEC A GTS WITH A PANORAMIC ROOF.
My T rides 10mm higher than my GTS and I can feel this from the driving position and the c-o-g.
My T rides firmer than my GTS, I feel more pot holes and cats eyes in my T.
The brakes on my T lack the 'grab' of the brakes on my GTS. They are both steel. The discs on my T are actually nearly 15mm larger but the calipers have 4 pots and on my GTS they are 6 pots. My GTS has better braking.
Both interiors are equally nice places to be. I have the full GTS interior and the full T interior.
The T is about as quick as the GTS despite being 60bhp down. They both put very similar numbers on the dial.
The T has noticeably more low rev shove.
The T has noticeably less high rev shove.
The T does 'come on song' at 5k revs and to give it some credit it is a brilliant engine, but imo it doesnt match the character or reach of the GTS engine.
The manual box in the T is excellent in the first 5 gears but shockingly s
t once past that. It's not the mechanical quality of the gearchange that s the problem. It's trying to put the bloody stick in the right bloody hole . Coming down the box from 7th or 6th I double de clutch. And that s ridiculous in 2018.The T feels heavier at the back than my GTS. The fore/aft weight distribution is different.
The T is a bit narrower, enough to be noticeable on smaller lanes.
Here's an analogy for you: Picture a man walking a tight rope - my GTS feels like a tight rope walker holding his arms out wide and my T feels like a tight rope walker with his hands in his pockets. One is making it look easy with minimal body movement and effort. The other is working much harder to achieve the same level of balance. That's how these cars feel, the pasm on the T has to work much harder to maintain the level of control I ask for.
As is usual with Porsche sports cars (specced as the engineers would want, not as the marketing team or salesman would want) both of these cars feel great when driven steady, then feel not quite so great (enough to pick faults) when driven briskly or even quite fast; but then if you go quicker still, then even quicker, then really really hard - and they become brilliant. imo better than any GT car, except maybe for the 997.1 RS. for the road that is.
On the kind of roads we have in rural UK, poor surfaces covered in cow s
t and leaves, potholes, random cambers, pronounced crowns, narrow, crumbling edges in our kind of miserable weather - I can drive these cars to a level where other makes of cars I've had have broken. These feel fine and ready for more. After some drives I have been genuinely astounded by how much punishment these cars can take. The engineering is hugely impressive and i think it's such a shame that many owners will never know that.
If I had to pick just one of these tho, to keep as a road car, it would be my GTS. The T is very close to it tho.
I would rather have my T than a 991.2 GTS.
Anything else ...?
blaza said:
boringbeige said:
Nick981 said:
boringbeige said:
I have both and can assure you that the T and the GTS are quite different, more so than you d think...
Please could you expand on this?However GTS 991s are very spec sensitive. I had a 991.1 for a year and hated it; then figured out why, so sold it and bought another 991.1 GTS with a different spec and love it. I bought a 991.2 GTS to the same spec as my second 991.1 GTS and hated that too, so sold it and kept my second 991.1.
I've had manual and pdk 991.1 GTS's and imo the engine suits the pdk better. And I almost hate myself for admitting that.
I've had ceramics and steels and think the steels are better on a GTS.
Speccing the 18 way seats brings a more user friendly set of seating/steering/memory options but this is a heavy option, for those that worry about such things.
The glass panoramic sunroof completey f
ks up the GTS chassis....they are built to ride higher and softer...only a bit but enough to feel. Also the body stiffness is less, enough to notice. Loads of people spec the panoramic cos it certainly looks good but it stops the GTS being as 'sporty' as it should be. The entire glass roof is only loosely bonded in, to avoid it getting stressed or twisted which might crack it.NEVER SPEC A GTS WITH A PANORAMIC ROOF.
My T rides 10mm higher than my GTS and I can feel this from the driving position and the c-o-g.
My T rides firmer than my GTS, I feel more pot holes and cats eyes in my T.
The brakes on my T lack the 'grab' of the brakes on my GTS. They are both steel. The discs on my T are actually nearly 15mm larger but the calipers have 4 pots and on my GTS they are 6 pots. My GTS has better braking.
Both interiors are equally nice places to be. I have the full GTS interior and the full T interior.
The T is about as quick as the GTS despite being 60bhp down. They both put very similar numbers on the dial.
The T has noticeably more low rev shove.
The T has noticeably less high rev shove.
The T does 'come on song' at 5k revs and to give it some credit it is a brilliant engine, but imo it doesnt match the character or reach of the GTS engine.
The manual box in the T is excellent in the first 5 gears but shockingly s
t once past that. It's not the mechanical quality of the gearchange that s the problem. It's trying to put the bloody stick in the right bloody hole . Coming down the box from 7th or 6th I double de clutch. And that s ridiculous in 2018.The T feels heavier at the back than my GTS. The fore/aft weight distribution is different.
The T is a bit narrower, enough to be noticeable on smaller lanes.
Here's an analogy for you: Picture a man walking a tight rope - my GTS feels like a tight rope walker holding his arms out wide and my T feels like a tight rope walker with his hands in his pockets. One is making it look easy with minimal body movement and effort. The other is working much harder to achieve the same level of balance. That's how these cars feel, the pasm on the T has to work much harder to maintain the level of control I ask for.
As is usual with Porsche sports cars (specced as the engineers would want, not as the marketing team or salesman would want) both of these cars feel great when driven steady, then feel not quite so great (enough to pick faults) when driven briskly or even quite fast; but then if you go quicker still, then even quicker, then really really hard - and they become brilliant. imo better than any GT car, except maybe for the 997.1 RS. for the road that is.
On the kind of roads we have in rural UK, poor surfaces covered in cow s
t and leaves, potholes, random cambers, pronounced crowns, narrow, crumbling edges in our kind of miserable weather - I can drive these cars to a level where other makes of cars I've had have broken. These feel fine and ready for more. After some drives I have been genuinely astounded by how much punishment these cars can take. The engineering is hugely impressive and i think it's such a shame that many owners will never know that.
If I had to pick just one of these tho, to keep as a road car, it would be my GTS. The T is very close to it tho.
I would rather have my T than a 991.2 GTS.
Anything else ...?
The silver car and the orange car differed only in colour, roof and gearbox. The silver was manual, the orange is pdk.
The roof is the problem, a glass roof can only be bonded to the steel body sides. Basically it's stuck on with silicone. If it was rigidly mounted it would crack. If the suspension was stiffer, it would crack. The sunroof GTS's do not therefore get the GTS suspension. But Porsche will never tell you that...
My orange car weighs 3279 lbs
The silver one weighed 3176 lbs.
Same fuel loads.
The silver car had ceramics, the orange one steels. I didn't spec steels again because I don't like the feel of them. I've had ceramics on other Porsches and yes they keep your wheels clean but they still fade and the weight difference is negligible because the disc size goes up when you spec ceramics and I don't care what any says, the feel of steels is miles better.
The silver one 4 way sports plus seats. The orange one 18 way sports plus seats.
I think the majority of the extra weight in the orange car is due to the seat and steering column motors.
boringbeige said:
blaza said:
boringbeige said:
Nick981 said:
boringbeige said:
I have both and can assure you that the T and the GTS are quite different, more so than you d think...
Please could you expand on this?However GTS 991s are very spec sensitive. I had a 991.1 for a year and hated it; then figured out why, so sold it and bought another 991.1 GTS with a different spec and love it. I bought a 991.2 GTS to the same spec as my second 991.1 GTS and hated that too, so sold it and kept my second 991.1.
I've had manual and pdk 991.1 GTS's and imo the engine suits the pdk better. And I almost hate myself for admitting that.
I've had ceramics and steels and think the steels are better on a GTS.
Speccing the 18 way seats brings a more user friendly set of seating/steering/memory options but this is a heavy option, for those that worry about such things.
The glass panoramic sunroof completey f
ks up the GTS chassis....they are built to ride higher and softer...only a bit but enough to feel. Also the body stiffness is less, enough to notice. Loads of people spec the panoramic cos it certainly looks good but it stops the GTS being as 'sporty' as it should be. The entire glass roof is only loosely bonded in, to avoid it getting stressed or twisted which might crack it.NEVER SPEC A GTS WITH A PANORAMIC ROOF.
My T rides 10mm higher than my GTS and I can feel this from the driving position and the c-o-g.
My T rides firmer than my GTS, I feel more pot holes and cats eyes in my T.
The brakes on my T lack the 'grab' of the brakes on my GTS. They are both steel. The discs on my T are actually nearly 15mm larger but the calipers have 4 pots and on my GTS they are 6 pots. My GTS has better braking.
Both interiors are equally nice places to be. I have the full GTS interior and the full T interior.
The T is about as quick as the GTS despite being 60bhp down. They both put very similar numbers on the dial.
The T has noticeably more low rev shove.
The T has noticeably less high rev shove.
The T does 'come on song' at 5k revs and to give it some credit it is a brilliant engine, but imo it doesnt match the character or reach of the GTS engine.
The manual box in the T is excellent in the first 5 gears but shockingly s
t once past that. It's not the mechanical quality of the gearchange that s the problem. It's trying to put the bloody stick in the right bloody hole . Coming down the box from 7th or 6th I double de clutch. And that s ridiculous in 2018.The T feels heavier at the back than my GTS. The fore/aft weight distribution is different.
The T is a bit narrower, enough to be noticeable on smaller lanes.
Here's an analogy for you: Picture a man walking a tight rope - my GTS feels like a tight rope walker holding his arms out wide and my T feels like a tight rope walker with his hands in his pockets. One is making it look easy with minimal body movement and effort. The other is working much harder to achieve the same level of balance. That's how these cars feel, the pasm on the T has to work much harder to maintain the level of control I ask for.
As is usual with Porsche sports cars (specced as the engineers would want, not as the marketing team or salesman would want) both of these cars feel great when driven steady, then feel not quite so great (enough to pick faults) when driven briskly or even quite fast; but then if you go quicker still, then even quicker, then really really hard - and they become brilliant. imo better than any GT car, except maybe for the 997.1 RS. for the road that is.
On the kind of roads we have in rural UK, poor surfaces covered in cow s
t and leaves, potholes, random cambers, pronounced crowns, narrow, crumbling edges in our kind of miserable weather - I can drive these cars to a level where other makes of cars I've had have broken. These feel fine and ready for more. After some drives I have been genuinely astounded by how much punishment these cars can take. The engineering is hugely impressive and i think it's such a shame that many owners will never know that.
If I had to pick just one of these tho, to keep as a road car, it would be my GTS. The T is very close to it tho.
I would rather have my T than a 991.2 GTS.
Anything else ...?
The silver car and the orange car differed only in colour, roof and gearbox. The silver was manual, the orange is pdk.
The roof is the problem, a glass roof can only be bonded to the steel body sides. Basically it's stuck on with silicone. If it was rigidly mounted it would crack. If the suspension was stiffer, it would crack. The sunroof GTS's do not therefore get the GTS suspension. But Porsche will never tell you that...
My orange car weighs 3279 lbs
The silver one weighed 3176 lbs.
Same fuel loads.
The silver car had ceramics, the orange one steels. I didn't spec steels again because I don't like the feel of them. I've had ceramics on other Porsches and yes they keep your wheels clean but they still fade and the weight difference is negligible because the disc size goes up when you spec ceramics and I don't care what any says, the feel of steels is miles better.
The silver one 4 way sports plus seats. The orange one 18 way sports plus seats.
I think the majority of the extra weight in the orange car is due to the seat and steering column motors.
My 991.2 GTS is locked down and due to be built, so it’s not as if I could change anything! But i’m glad i’ve gone for a manual coupe, without sun roof, with steels and rws!
Just itching to get my hands on it now - about another 4 weeks to go as long as it doesn’t get pushed back again.
Nick981 said:
boringbeige said:
blaza said:
boringbeige said:
Nick981 said:
boringbeige said:
I have both and can assure you that the T and the GTS are quite different, more so than you d think...
Please could you expand on this?However GTS 991s are very spec sensitive. I had a 991.1 for a year and hated it; then figured out why, so sold it and bought another 991.1 GTS with a different spec and love it. I bought a 991.2 GTS to the same spec as my second 991.1 GTS and hated that too, so sold it and kept my second 991.1.
I've had manual and pdk 991.1 GTS's and imo the engine suits the pdk better. And I almost hate myself for admitting that.
I've had ceramics and steels and think the steels are better on a GTS.
Speccing the 18 way seats brings a more user friendly set of seating/steering/memory options but this is a heavy option, for those that worry about such things.
The glass panoramic sunroof completey f
ks up the GTS chassis....they are built to ride higher and softer...only a bit but enough to feel. Also the body stiffness is less, enough to notice. Loads of people spec the panoramic cos it certainly looks good but it stops the GTS being as 'sporty' as it should be. The entire glass roof is only loosely bonded in, to avoid it getting stressed or twisted which might crack it.NEVER SPEC A GTS WITH A PANORAMIC ROOF.
My T rides 10mm higher than my GTS and I can feel this from the driving position and the c-o-g.
My T rides firmer than my GTS, I feel more pot holes and cats eyes in my T.
The brakes on my T lack the 'grab' of the brakes on my GTS. They are both steel. The discs on my T are actually nearly 15mm larger but the calipers have 4 pots and on my GTS they are 6 pots. My GTS has better braking.
Both interiors are equally nice places to be. I have the full GTS interior and the full T interior.
The T is about as quick as the GTS despite being 60bhp down. They both put very similar numbers on the dial.
The T has noticeably more low rev shove.
The T has noticeably less high rev shove.
The T does 'come on song' at 5k revs and to give it some credit it is a brilliant engine, but imo it doesnt match the character or reach of the GTS engine.
The manual box in the T is excellent in the first 5 gears but shockingly s
t once past that. It's not the mechanical quality of the gearchange that s the problem. It's trying to put the bloody stick in the right bloody hole . Coming down the box from 7th or 6th I double de clutch. And that s ridiculous in 2018.The T feels heavier at the back than my GTS. The fore/aft weight distribution is different.
The T is a bit narrower, enough to be noticeable on smaller lanes.
Here's an analogy for you: Picture a man walking a tight rope - my GTS feels like a tight rope walker holding his arms out wide and my T feels like a tight rope walker with his hands in his pockets. One is making it look easy with minimal body movement and effort. The other is working much harder to achieve the same level of balance. That's how these cars feel, the pasm on the T has to work much harder to maintain the level of control I ask for.
As is usual with Porsche sports cars (specced as the engineers would want, not as the marketing team or salesman would want) both of these cars feel great when driven steady, then feel not quite so great (enough to pick faults) when driven briskly or even quite fast; but then if you go quicker still, then even quicker, then really really hard - and they become brilliant. imo better than any GT car, except maybe for the 997.1 RS. for the road that is.
On the kind of roads we have in rural UK, poor surfaces covered in cow s
t and leaves, potholes, random cambers, pronounced crowns, narrow, crumbling edges in our kind of miserable weather - I can drive these cars to a level where other makes of cars I've had have broken. These feel fine and ready for more. After some drives I have been genuinely astounded by how much punishment these cars can take. The engineering is hugely impressive and i think it's such a shame that many owners will never know that.
If I had to pick just one of these tho, to keep as a road car, it would be my GTS. The T is very close to it tho.
I would rather have my T than a 991.2 GTS.
Anything else ...?
The silver car and the orange car differed only in colour, roof and gearbox. The silver was manual, the orange is pdk.
The roof is the problem, a glass roof can only be bonded to the steel body sides. Basically it's stuck on with silicone. If it was rigidly mounted it would crack. If the suspension was stiffer, it would crack. The sunroof GTS's do not therefore get the GTS suspension. But Porsche will never tell you that...
My orange car weighs 3279 lbs
The silver one weighed 3176 lbs.
Same fuel loads.
The silver car had ceramics, the orange one steels. I didn't spec steels again because I don't like the feel of them. I've had ceramics on other Porsches and yes they keep your wheels clean but they still fade and the weight difference is negligible because the disc size goes up when you spec ceramics and I don't care what any says, the feel of steels is miles better.
The silver one 4 way sports plus seats. The orange one 18 way sports plus seats.
I think the majority of the extra weight in the orange car is due to the seat and steering column motors.
My 991.2 GTS is locked down and due to be built, so it’s not as if I could change anything! But i’m glad i’ve gone for a manual coupe, without sun roof, with steels and rws!
Just itching to get my hands on it now - about another 4 weeks to go as long as it doesn’t get pushed back again.
WizzBang said:
chris38 said:
Bmdub said:
Secret director said:
....Has anyone got a fix on the early cars for the DAB yet..?
No update on my DAB and I am picking up my car on Saturday!Not very impressed to be honest
Thanks
[quote]I hope you all get this resolved ASAP. Porsche is in breach of contract - they owe you more than a shrug.
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Just out of interest where did you get that literature from? I may need to use this at some point.
Thanks
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I saved a copy of my Porsche pdf config that I sent to the dealer with my order and I had this statement listed on there.
I have satisfactorily resolved with my opc, doesn’t mean I got DAB though !
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Just out of interest where did you get that literature from? I may need to use this at some point.
Thanks
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I saved a copy of my Porsche pdf config that I sent to the dealer with my order and I had this statement listed on there.
I have satisfactorily resolved with my opc, doesn’t mean I got DAB though !
Locked down my final Spec. today, system showed late April completion so hopefully will see the car early May. I almost held firm on my target price of under £100k but on my drive to the dealer I realised for me the glass roof in my current 991 is something I would miss, I know others say it takes something away from the 'T' but......
Build code;
http://www.porsche-code.com/PJTB7FL2
Build code;
http://www.porsche-code.com/PJTB7FL2
Edited by w5pwr on Wednesday 7th March 18:26
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