Anyone for ‘T’
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OhThatHurtAbit said:
There is supposedly one new, yellow, manual 911T with bucket seats left in the country, but no one will tell me where it is! My local Centre say's they are trying to find it or won't tell me. Any suggestions?
There was one matching that spec sitting in the Aberdeen OPC a few weeks ago. av185 said:
You were totally lost on the 981 Spyder trolling it day in day out on these forums and calling it merely a GTS with a crappy roof.
Until you bought one.
I was never lost on it, you did not like my review of it !Until you bought one.
You well know why I brought one. and I stand by the GTS with a 3.8 but crap roof, but on reflection it's more 718 with the 3.8 and crap roof, but better brakes.
And for sale if any one wants it cheaper than any OPC car with quite a big spec plus service and still under warranty.
I have a T. But if I wanted a Carrera S, I would have got one. I also would have got a GT3 at overs, like I did with my RS, but didn't.
I was very clear on what options there were and what made the T a different enough offering. I chose every 'unique' T option, and the marginal differences added together have quite a special result. It's a brilliant car, particularly with these 'right' boxes ticked. In addition, with very few on the road - the exclusivity factor and residuals also play a part in making this anomaly in the range pretty attractive.
To sit alongside a full fat supercar, (Lambo/Ferrari) in the garage, this car makes perfect sense to me and I even chose it over my Aventador S to take to the south of France - which I did not regret. I've had a lot of special cars but nothing has come close to smiles per £ than my T, and it can be used daily.
I don't see why you seem to bash everything other than whatever it is you drive.
I was very clear on what options there were and what made the T a different enough offering. I chose every 'unique' T option, and the marginal differences added together have quite a special result. It's a brilliant car, particularly with these 'right' boxes ticked. In addition, with very few on the road - the exclusivity factor and residuals also play a part in making this anomaly in the range pretty attractive.
To sit alongside a full fat supercar, (Lambo/Ferrari) in the garage, this car makes perfect sense to me and I even chose it over my Aventador S to take to the south of France - which I did not regret. I've had a lot of special cars but nothing has come close to smiles per £ than my T, and it can be used daily.
I don't see why you seem to bash everything other than whatever it is you drive.
Porsche911R said:
I agree the S is a far better car as the brakes are needed imo on cars that put on the lbs, I 'll take big brakes and the extra 50HP for the 10kg weight penalty the S has, you might get 1/2 of that weight back specing buckets in the S over chairs.
I am still totally lost on the T model and I still think they added RS door pulls and lauched it to pick up failed GT3 orders as a "drivers car" just at the same time GT3 slots were all filled !
the T is after all the a base model with some choice S options !! that's it ! I guess why a few people speced PCCB's on the T to make up for it a little but those put it over S money then , a very odd choice and a very odd car imo that does not take anything away from the car, all Porsche are good cars, it's juts my personal opinion why I would not order one my self.
If it were a 6 speed 1300kg car with S brakes that's a whole new Story, but alass it was a bit of a poor effort imo.
I am still totally lost on the T model and I still think they added RS door pulls and lauched it to pick up failed GT3 orders as a "drivers car" just at the same time GT3 slots were all filled !
the T is after all the a base model with some choice S options !! that's it ! I guess why a few people speced PCCB's on the T to make up for it a little but those put it over S money then , a very odd choice and a very odd car imo that does not take anything away from the car, all Porsche are good cars, it's juts my personal opinion why I would not order one my self.
If it were a 6 speed 1300kg car with S brakes that's a whole new Story, but alass it was a bit of a poor effort imo.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 9th May 11:29
I wanted a GT3 but evidently missed out as I had not bought the required number of Cayennes / 981's / Macans to enter into the magical club of even being considered for a GT car at my local OPC.
Considered a T also. Was invited to the usual launch events that Porsche have for their new models this time being the new Cayenne and they also happened to have a lovely Yellow T there.
Apart the the seats from a GT3 and ceramics there was nothing else that made the car special in my eyes and those owners that have one and enjoy their car more power to them I respect their decision as being Porsche enthusiasts.
But in my opinion this was nothing more than a money making excercise of the highest order from Porsche introducing 'another' iteration' of the 991 to capitalise on buyers that missed out on a GT car. Its not even naturally apirated, has a turbo, less power than a GTS but yet they know there are customers out there that will lap these up after clever marketing strategy/exposure which has been the case.
The fact that a near £100k car can have door pull handles was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Would rather pay a bit more and get a 991.1 GT3 or wait for the new model 992. I respect both sides of the argument TGETV/Porsche911R and this is a forum of course where not all people will agree with you and lets be fair if we all liked the same things in life... you get the drift.
Considered a T also. Was invited to the usual launch events that Porsche have for their new models this time being the new Cayenne and they also happened to have a lovely Yellow T there.
Apart the the seats from a GT3 and ceramics there was nothing else that made the car special in my eyes and those owners that have one and enjoy their car more power to them I respect their decision as being Porsche enthusiasts.
But in my opinion this was nothing more than a money making excercise of the highest order from Porsche introducing 'another' iteration' of the 991 to capitalise on buyers that missed out on a GT car. Its not even naturally apirated, has a turbo, less power than a GTS but yet they know there are customers out there that will lap these up after clever marketing strategy/exposure which has been the case.
The fact that a near £100k car can have door pull handles was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Would rather pay a bit more and get a 991.1 GT3 or wait for the new model 992. I respect both sides of the argument TGETV/Porsche911R and this is a forum of course where not all people will agree with you and lets be fair if we all liked the same things in life... you get the drift.
I've bought a T because anything more powerful on our roads is wasted and I don't want to lose my licence. I bought it because it's a bit different and will be rare. I also bought it knowing that most likely a 992 base will be the same price as a T albeit with more power that I don't need. Whether the 992 will have a T in the range nobody can say, as for the fuel emissions clamp down, it will more likely be 'H' for hybrid. And any hybrid will surely be more expensive and heavier etc and less desirable in my eyes. I also wanted a manual car now (so that excludes all 991.1 GT3's with pdk) and not 1-2 years away. But absolutely each to their own. Viva la difference!
Edited by Designer Slave on Wednesday 9th May 17:18
TGETV said:
I have a T. But if I wanted a Carrera S, I would have got one. I also would have got a GT3 at overs, like I did with my RS, but didn't.
I was very clear on what options there were and what made the T a different enough offering. I chose every 'unique' T option, and the marginal differences added together have quite a special result. It's a brilliant car, particularly with these 'right' boxes ticked. In addition, with very few on the road - the exclusivity factor and residuals also play a part in making this anomaly in the range pretty attractive.
To sit alongside a full fat supercar, (Lambo/Ferrari) in the garage, this car makes perfect sense to me and I even chose it over my Aventador S to take to the south of France - which I did not regret. I've had a lot of special cars but nothing has come close to smiles per £ than my T, and it can be used daily.
I don't see why you seem to bash everything other than whatever it is you drive.
i dont think he is bashing , the T is an oddity objectively and no-one is saying you are wrong to value the exclusivity that it offers. Just objectively a similar spec T is really the same as a base Carrera as the weight saving is irrelevant. It really is just evidence to me again of how good the 991.2 Carrera platform is and the tweaks Porsche have done over its lifecycle do seem to make a difference. I have no doubt that many of the new owners would be similarly happy if they had bought a base Carrera from a driving perspective.I was very clear on what options there were and what made the T a different enough offering. I chose every 'unique' T option, and the marginal differences added together have quite a special result. It's a brilliant car, particularly with these 'right' boxes ticked. In addition, with very few on the road - the exclusivity factor and residuals also play a part in making this anomaly in the range pretty attractive.
To sit alongside a full fat supercar, (Lambo/Ferrari) in the garage, this car makes perfect sense to me and I even chose it over my Aventador S to take to the south of France - which I did not regret. I've had a lot of special cars but nothing has come close to smiles per £ than my T, and it can be used daily.
I don't see why you seem to bash everything other than whatever it is you drive.
that they get that experience in a shiny new fairly rare model just sweetens things to some (to me it doesnt matter much) . For me i would rather take the GTS as its not much more and offers a lot more performance however i dont have a Aventador alongside
Cheib said:
OhThatHurtAbit said:
There is supposedly one new, yellow, manual 911T with bucket seats left in the country, but no one will tell me where it is! My local Centre say's they are trying to find it or won't tell me. Any suggestions?
Worst case scenario ring every OPC! Take a day maybe. OhThatHurtAbit said:
Finally tracked the last yellow, manual T down to Tonbridge and made a call. Still available this morning! Called my client, decision by end of today. Called back later and it was sold. Slightly miffed, but well done to the lucky new owner!
Snooze you lose, last one in the country and you found it, then thought about it?When you say client do you mean you were just sourcing the car for someone else like a concierge service?
Budflicker said:
OhThatHurtAbit said:
Finally tracked the last yellow, manual T down to Tonbridge and made a call. Still available this morning! Called my client, decision by end of today. Called back later and it was sold. Slightly miffed, but well done to the lucky new owner!
Snooze you lose, last one in the country and you found it, then thought about it?When you say client do you mean you were just sourcing the car for someone else like a concierge service?
OhThatHurtAbit said:
I'm a car dealer and was helping out a contact. However much I say It'll get sold, no one ever believes a car dealer until you tell them it's sold and then they go 'Oh, I thought you were pulling my sporran'
Oh fair do's, there really is nothing as fickle as customers is there. RSVP911 said:
av185 said:
Similar numbers of Ts to Spyders evidently.
I doubt it AV - lots around - as you say, we’ll see Out of interest AV, how does the T compare to the Spyder in terms of fun..?
Taffy66 said:
RSVP911 said:
av185 said:
Similar numbers of Ts to Spyders evidently.
I doubt it AV - lots around - as you say, we’ll see Out of interest AV, how does the T compare to the Spyder in terms of fun..?
Hope you are enjoying the Spyder - I’ve been in mine all week after using my manual 991.2 GT3 as a DD for the last couple of months - it really is a brilliant car - love mine just as much as the GT3.
Edited by RSVP911 on Wednesday 9th May 21:54
Taffy66 said:
Out of interest AV, how does the T compare to the Spyder in terms of fun..?
Hi Taffy, interesting question and the short answer is they are both great packages.As you probably know, like Richard I always rated the Spyder over the GT4 mainly because it is truer to form and for road use at least their is little between the two cars plus the Spyder is more usable due to greater front clearance. Spyder sounds better too although the fake and rather farty exhaust pops in sport mode can grate after a while and the car sounds better in standard mode anyway.
If top down motoring is your bag then the Spyder is a clear winner. Little scuttle shake is remarkable for a non carbon tub car.
Gear box slightly less precise on the Spyder v the GT4 and the steering again behind the GT4 but probably more down to tyres and front suspension. Clutch slightly lighter on the Spyder v GT4. T gearbox 7 speed not as good as the Spyder with some vagueness in the top ratios. 7 th gear is incredibly tall great for economy!!
Clutch on the T is actually better than the GT3 clutch which is way to light imo.
My T is basic 'manuel' only with t pack nav and light glass but with rear seats which I felt were a must have if possible with a 911 and these can be removed anyway if you wish.
Think I already mentioned the T is very reminiscent of the late 996/997.1 Carreras with similar traits both in ride quality and sound. Engine has little turbo lag and the standard sports exhaust very similar in sound to the GT4 and less vociferous than the Spyder.
As a reasonably focused and well balanced package I think the T succeeds and would take the view that it may well fall into the 997 GTS category given time which was a car that was derided on launch as just a Carrera S with a hush puppy intetior
Verdict? As a usable relatively rare daily with reasonably focused driving attributes and great economy take the T. Especially if it has to be a 911.
But for fun it has to be the Spyder.
Wow...........you take the T out for the day for a run around North Wales covering 220 miles, sunroof open..... sport on..... attractive wife sitting exceptionally comfortably next to you.....in T interior seats......Bose on....... (turned down at critical moments to hear the turbos spool and the echoes of the exhaust off the stone walls) ........Thor being unleashed at regular intervals from the engine singing at 3.5k plus with waves of torque projecting you to the horizon.........turning on a sixpence and enjoying every curve, crest or straight with the RWS.......stopping amazing quickly on ‘standard brakes’ (who’d have thought) ............then on the way back.... you pick up your 11 year old..... (Son #2)throw all his rugby and running kit in the front and easily put him in the back and trundle home...... and then just to make my day worse ..........see (Son #1) .... 13 and have to pick him up as well......
Long way for a school run today....!
And I come back to 2 whole pages of things I’ve missed about the T.....
Long way for a school run today....!
And I come back to 2 whole pages of things I’ve missed about the T.....
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