Anyone for ‘T’

[JulierPass]

Secret director said:

Must say... I’ve not found the brakes anything but superb...... certainly stopped me stronger than I thought when I really needed them.....

I was at Silverstone in my 997.2 cup car on Wednesday with a good friend who brought his T along and made most GT3 owners question why they had spent double the money on a GT3! In the right hands they are very capable.

[Designer Slave]

Shiverman said:

I’ve found a spec I like at my local OPC, but like you I’ve been looking at them for last 6-8 weeks and not a lot has moved. The Tewkesbury car at £89k concerns me that its a very low price, reasonable spec and still hasn’t sold.

Once all the desirable unregistered cars dry up then I'm sure the Tewkesbury car will sell but it doesn't have the T interior and DAB radio which might put people off. Thanks to Captain James T posting here the yellow one at Tonbridge I was able to get a new one.

Totally ironic that Porsche has gone turbo for EU emissions and only ended up making a car that's so addictive to drive. One poster said that these cars will have higher mileage on them than the previous generation and I have to say I agree.

[Designer Slave]

Shiverman said:

I’m definitely in the PH minority, but I want a PDK car and I quite like the Leeds spec. I like that the T looks a little different to the regular car, I like the interior and reduction in sound deadening, narrow body, etc.

I’m using my .2GT3 manual as a daily ATM and want something I can use to share the mileage, that still feels a little special still and I can use for longer business journeys and looks a little more discreet when I park it.

Manual on my GT3 is awesome and the PDK on my 991.2GTS was great as well. I’d be hoping the T with PDK would give me a great compromise and a car that I would still look back at after locking it.

Reason to buy the manual from cars.com
'An automatic 911 T was the first version I tested and it also had rear-wheel steering. In this setup, you don't catch the weight savings or benefits from the lowered suspension. Dynamically, it feels close to the 911 Carrera. The sport suspension adds a small bit of crispness, but the car still felt most comfortable on the portions of our drive that softly wound up the coast, rather than the parts with quicker corners and harder elevation changes.

The T's cabin is noticeably louder — thinner glass and less sound-deadening material will do that. With the sport exhaust triggered it's hard to have conversations in the cabin; however, the engine note is rather appealing, so just drive with someone who you don't need to talk much.

In all, I didn't get the appeal of the Carrera T at first. But then I drove the manual and flipped that notion on its head.

In the manual transmission 911 Carrera T, Porsche shortened the shifter's throws and modified the constant transaxle ratio for improved acceleration. It also comes with PTV and that mechanically locking rear differential, two features missing on the automatic that may have helped put power down. My manual test car also came with the optional bucket seats, so it maxed out the lightness potential of the 911 Carrera T. This was as lean and mean as you can get the T to be — and it didn't disappoint.

The car comes alive with the manual. The engine jumps up into the power quicker, and though the PDK is a better gearbox than I will ever be (machine is greater than man is this regard), the feeling of direct control over the gearing offers a greater sensation to the driver. Gear changes are fast and come with a satisfying (albeit inaudible) mechanical click when you pop the car into gear. It doesn't get old.

With the engine freed thanks to the revised transaxle ratio, it also transforms the handling. Crank the Sport Chrono dial into Sport plus to maximize the suspension firmness, dial up the Sport mode on traction control and the 911 Carrera T with the manual corners with controlled precision. It allows for just a touch of wheel slip — a quick blip of the throttle rebalances the car, then launches it out of turns to hunt for the next one. After driving the manual, my confusion turned into something resembling joy.'

[RSVP911]

Shiverman said:

RSVP911 said:

I was seriously thinking about one of these - called around lots of dealsers and as you say virtually all have a couple for sale - seems like they was the last hurrah pushed through production to keep the OPC’s going before shut down - all I’d say is anyone trying to flip these at overs will probably be disappointed unless very lucky .

As yo say I’ve been “on this” for about a month - started with 8 on the locator , now around double this and the original 8 are still there - most dealer showroom stock isn’t on the locator.

I’ve decided to wait and pick one up some day in the future - fancy a yellow manual one , comfort seats , T interior , bi xenons , RWS - and that’s about it.

Maybe someone PM me when you fancy a change

Nice looking cars - will be interesting to see how many were made - I think more than a couple

Edited by RSVP911 on Thursday 24th May 23:01

Makes sense what you say about the last hurrah and now no more stock for the summer.

I’ve found a spec I like at my local OPC, but like you I’ve been looking at them for last 6-8 weeks and not a lot has moved. The Tewkesbury car at £89k concerns me that its a very low price, reasonable spec and still hasn’t sold.

My heart likes the spec I’ve found and it may help brownie points for the next car, my head says I may take a bath I dont like and still with no guarantees of something more special.

I’m sure it will depreciate, but I also wonder if it will be a car that once the stock has dried up a little people will appreciate more? It seems like all the owners truly love them regardless of their previous steer and that doesn’t happen very often.

Anyway, looks like I’ll have a few to choose from if I dont buy it. I just might pi** my OPC off in the process.

Ok - sounds like we’ve been on a very similar journey. - the sheer number of cars currently available (my OPC has 3 - small OPC) / the fact nothing’s moving put me off ; I’ll wait and pick one up next year if I still fancy one - I’m guessing a £k20 bath to the owner on a 9-12 month old 5000 mile car. This converts into a ticket price for second owner advertised at say £k8 less than list with a trans price of say, £k9/10 less. All IMHO, but these numbers have been agreed as sensible by about 3 separate OPC’s ; expensive business this car buying thing.

I swapped to looking at 991.2 GTS’s - virtually impossible to buy a new showroom car - only about 6 GTS / GTS4’s combined in the whole county now - I thought this was a slightly safer bet - time will tell.

Not slating the cars in any way , I think they are lovely . It’s obviously just a different proposition to a GT car depreciation wise - you forget how expensive buying “normal” cars can be .

Either way - they are very nice - enjoy your cars

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 25th May 20:34

[Shiverman]

Designer Slave said:

Shiverman said:

I’m definitely in the PH minority, but I want a PDK car and I quite like the Leeds spec. I like that the T looks a little different to the regular car, I like the interior and reduction in sound deadening, narrow body, etc.

I’m using my .2GT3 manual as a daily ATM and want something I can use to share the mileage, that still feels a little special still and I can use for longer business journeys and looks a little more discreet when I park it.

Manual on my GT3 is awesome and the PDK on my 991.2GTS was great as well. I’d be hoping the T with PDK would give me a great compromise and a car that I would still look back at after locking it.

Reason to buy the manual from cars.com
'An automatic 911 T was the first version I tested and it also had rear-wheel steering. In this setup, you don't catch the weight savings or benefits from the lowered suspension. Dynamically, it feels close to the 911 Carrera. The sport suspension adds a small bit of crispness, but the car still felt most comfortable on the portions of our drive that softly wound up the coast, rather than the parts with quicker corners and harder elevation changes.

The T's cabin is noticeably louder — thinner glass and less sound-deadening material will do that. With the sport exhaust triggered it's hard to have conversations in the cabin; however, the engine note is rather appealing, so just drive with someone who you don't need to talk much.

In all, I didn't get the appeal of the Carrera T at first. But then I drove the manual and flipped that notion on its head.

In the manual transmission 911 Carrera T, Porsche shortened the shifter's throws and modified the constant transaxle ratio for improved acceleration. It also comes with PTV and that mechanically locking rear differential, two features missing on the automatic that may have helped put power down. My manual test car also came with the optional bucket seats, so it maxed out the lightness potential of the 911 Carrera T. This was as lean and mean as you can get the T to be — and it didn't disappoint.

The car comes alive with the manual. The engine jumps up into the power quicker, and though the PDK is a better gearbox than I will ever be (machine is greater than man is this regard), the feeling of direct control over the gearing offers a greater sensation to the driver. Gear changes are fast and come with a satisfying (albeit inaudible) mechanical click when you pop the car into gear. It doesn't get old.

With the engine freed thanks to the revised transaxle ratio, it also transforms the handling. Crank the Sport Chrono dial into Sport plus to maximize the suspension firmness, dial up the Sport mode on traction control and the 911 Carrera T with the manual corners with controlled precision. It allows for just a touch of wheel slip — a quick blip of the throttle rebalances the car, then launches it out of turns to hunt for the next one. After driving the manual, my confusion turned into something resembling joy.'

I do get this, but the problems are:

1. My missus prefers to drive PDK s she rarely uses the GT3 atm so if I want a more tame car and rob her Boxster GTS she’s car less unless its an emergency.

2. Manual gearbox on the T is 7-speed, box on the GT3 is 6-speed and undoubtedly better. In which case, I’d get pretty hacked off with the T pretty quick.

I’d love a test drive but whilst a lot of dealers have cars, not sure if any have demo cars.

[Designer Slave]

Shiverman the 3 demo cars on the used site are all pdk. (Leicester, East London and Mayfair)

[Shiverman]

Designer Slave said:

Shiverman the 3 demo cars on the used site are all pdk. (Leicester, East London and Mayfair)

Thanks for that. I think Leicester would have to be best as I don’t want to drive a sports car in London to see how I like it!

[rob.kellock]

RSVP911 said:

I’ll wait and pick one up next year if I still fancy one - I’m guessing a £k20 bath to the owner on a 9-12 month old 5000 mile car.

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 25th May 20:34

This does appear to be a classic Pistonheads wannabe purchaser’s post!! Good luck and all that...

Will be interesting to see what future supply looks like.

[Shiverman]

RSVP911 said:

Ok - sounds like we’ve been on a very similar journey. - the sheer number of cars currently available (my OPC has 3 - small OPC) / the fact nothing’s moving put me off ; I’ll wait and pick one up next year if I still fancy one - I’m guessing a £k20 bath to the owner on a 9-12 month old 5000 mile car. This converts into a ticket price for second owner advertised at say £k8 less than list with a trans price of say, £k9/10 less. All IMHO, but these numbers have been agreed as sensible by about 3 separate OPC’s ; expensive business this car buying thing.

I swapped to looking at 991.2 GTS’s - virtually impossible to buy a new showroom car - only about 6 GTS / GTS4’s combined in the whole county now - I thought this was a slightly safer bet - time will tell.

Not slating the cars in any way , I think they are lovely . It’s obviously just a different proposition to a GT car depreciation wise - you forget how expensive buying “normal” cars can be .

Either way - they are very nice - enjoy your cars

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 25th May 20:34

My man maths was telling me about the same depreciation and I winced.

I too was wondering about another GTS as I REALLY regret selling that car. GBM a lovely spec and run in properly by me. 😖

Are you going to buy used then? I think you’ll lose less tbh if you can find a compromise spec. Out of interest will you stay with your regular OPC or buy elsewhere? I know you have a good relationship and have had a few special cars from them. Giving up the bun fight? I keep saying I am, but......

I know of a good showroom GTS but it’s a very high spec and I’m not sure if that high spec will also lose me £20k.

£10k in 5k miles is bad, £20k and I’m crying and not buying cars any longer!

[RSVP911]

Shiverman said:

Designer Slave said:

Shiverman the 3 demo cars on the used site are all pdk. (Leicester, East London and Mayfair)

Thanks for that. I think Leicester would have to be best as I don’t want to drive a sports car in London to see how I like it!

Leicester also have a manual to compare ?

[RSVP911]

rob.kellock said:

RSVP911 said:

I’ll wait and pick one up next year if I still fancy one - I’m guessing a £k20 bath to the owner on a 9-12 month old 5000 mile car.

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 25th May 20:34

This does appear to be a classic Pistonheads wannabe purchaser’s post!! Good luck and all that...

Will be interesting to see what future supply looks like.

Oh thanks for that - absolutely not - I have said I’ll wait until next year if at all. I’ve just bought a brand new 991.2 GTS so I really wouldn’t be contemplating a T for at least a year.

I’m sorry if my numbers has offended ; I will lose exactly the same, maybe more / maybe less, on the GTS.

Bottom line is noone will buy a 9-12 month old used cooking 911 for anything less than a £k10 discount from one hey could order/spec themselves new. OPC want £k8-9 , new punter wants £k1 sticker price ; there’s your £k20 loss - maybe a £k15 loss if sold on an SOR basis.

All I’m saying is there are loads of T’s avaialae and loads were made pre shut down - this will affect values when 992 is released as it will on the GTS that I’ve just bought .

So no it’s not a post to talk down values , as I’m not wanting to buy one - it wasn’t meant to offend, its just a my view on what I think the future holds. I may be wrong on this; as I say ; time will tell.

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 25th May 21:52

[dvshannow]

Twinfan said:

gr8jon said:

I think lots of the T models ordered as dealer stock were so the dealers had some 911s to sell over the summer shutdown, as such I think they spec is often less 'driving enthusiast' aligned and more about what is popular on a 911. I suspect many of the enthusiasts ordered earlier when the car was announced/first reviewed.

Its a niche car really and they prob made more than was demand for as a pdk T does not really make sense to me
Yep, exactly that

[IREvans]

Shiverman said:

I do get this, but the problems are:

1. My missus prefers to drive PDK s she rarely uses the GT3 atm so if I want a more tame car and rob her Boxster GTS she’s car less unless its an emergency.

2. Manual gearbox on the T is 7-speed, box on the GT3 is 6-speed and undoubtedly better. In which case, I’d get pretty hacked off with the T pretty quick.

I’d love a test drive but whilst a lot of dealers have cars, not sure if any have demo cars.

I have a T, and the 7 speed manual 'box is good...in fact the whole car is incredibly good. It's very spec sensitive though, most people on here appear to be hunting down manual cars without sunroofs etc.....yet seemingly, lots of the pre specced dealer cars are PDK cars with sunroofs, rear wipers and privacy glazing....

I wouldn't have said the 6 speed unit is 'undoubtedly better' as you suggest - but I guess the only way for you to find out is to test drive one....or just be brave and take the plunge...?

[Taffy66]

IREvans said:

I have a T, and the 7 speed manual 'box is good...in fact the whole car is incredibly good. It's very spec sensitive though, most people on here appear to be hunting down manual cars without sunroofs etc.....yet seemingly, lots of the pre specced dealer cars are PDK cars with sunroofs, rear wipers and privacy glazing....

I wouldn't have said the 6 speed unit is 'undoubtedly better' as you suggest - but I guess the only way for you to find out is to test drive one....or just be brave and take the plunge...?

I'm still hoping for a testdrive in one next week, as long its in my preferred spec ie sans PDK,glassroof,privacy etc..A couple of weeks ago i bought a Carrera white 981 Spyder, and i'll be flabbergasted if the 7 speeder is even in the same ballmark as the Spyder's 6 speed..
I might end up eating my own words, however i suspect not..!

[Shiverman]

IREvans said:

Shiverman said:

I do get this, but the problems are:

1. My missus prefers to drive PDK s she rarely uses the GT3 atm so if I want a more tame car and rob her Boxster GTS she’s car less unless its an emergency.

2. Manual gearbox on the T is 7-speed, box on the GT3 is 6-speed and undoubtedly better. In which case, I’d get pretty hacked off with the T pretty quick.

I’d love a test drive but whilst a lot of dealers have cars, not sure if any have demo cars.

I have a T, and the 7 speed manual 'box is good...in fact the whole car is incredibly good. It's very spec sensitive though, most people on here appear to be hunting down manual cars without sunroofs etc.....yet seemingly, lots of the pre specced dealer cars are PDK cars with sunroofs, rear wipers and privacy glazing....

I wouldn't have said the 6 speed unit is 'undoubtedly better' as you suggest - but I guess the only way for you to find out is to test drive one....or just be brave and take the plunge...?

Ok I’m bold saying undoubtedly without driving one! Just watching videos and people mentioning that 7 cogs is a lot and they’re close together.

The missus (and myself) loved the 991.2GTS with PDK so it needs to be a PDK. Maybe I’m looking at the wrong car, I’m happy to accept that but I think I need to try and find one to drive and see what I think. Leicester could be good if they have both as I’ll see if the PDK loses the feel and buzz over the manual.

I respect that posters like yourself rave about the car when you’ve had a number of other special Porsche’s as that obviously means it has something extra.

I don’t want a sunroof, privacy or rear wipe and ideally no RWS and just simple 4-way seats, so not too spec heavy.

The search continues!

[RSVP911]

Taffy66 said:

IREvans said:

I have a T, and the 7 speed manual 'box is good...in fact the whole car is incredibly good. It's very spec sensitive though, most people on here appear to be hunting down manual cars without sunroofs etc.....yet seemingly, lots of the pre specced dealer cars are PDK cars with sunroofs, rear wipers and privacy glazing....

I wouldn't have said the 6 speed unit is 'undoubtedly better' as you suggest - but I guess the only way for you to find out is to test drive one....or just be brave and take the plunge...?

I'm still hoping for a testdrive in one next week, as long its in my preferred spec ie sans PDK,glassroof,privacy etc..A couple of weeks ago i bought a Carrera white 981 Spyder, and i'll be flabbergasted if the 7 speeder is even in the same ballmark as the Spyder's 6 speed..
I might end up eating my own words, however i suspect not..!

Glad you’re still enjoying the Spyder

[Budflicker]

Shiverman said:

I do get this, but the problems are:

1. My missus prefers to drive PDK s she rarely uses the GT3 atm so if I want a more tame car and rob her Boxster GTS she’s car less unless its an emergency.

Best pistonheads first world problem I have seen in a while.

[Taffy66]

RSVP911 said:

Glad you’re still enjoying the Spyder

I sure am and prefer it to my dearly departed GT4...Since my GT3 is PDK can you give an honest unbiased opinion on your GT3's gearbox versus the Spyder's..

[Phooey]

Not sure if they've still got it but Leicester OPC have a manual T with interior pack for £91k that's recently come in. I can honestly say it looks fantastic in the flesh, reasonable price too. Next cheapest with interior pack is about £98k? Leicester also have a PDK in same colour - GT Silver

[RSVP911]

Phooey said:

Not sure if they've still got it but Leicester OPC have a manual T with interior pack for £91k that's recently come in. I can honestly say it looks fantastic in the flesh, reasonable price too. Next cheapest with interior pack is about £98k? Leicester also have a PDK in same colour - GT Silver

Yep , still there