Anyone for ‘T’
Discussion
Stupot123 said:
Sorry in advance, this is going to hurt your eyes!
I’ve got a layer of film protecting my paint, just unfortunate its made up mostly of road salt!
Pivo-T said:
Respect @Stupot123 , I clean my car every weekend to avoid patina finish, but I cringe to think what my 992 looks like underneath. Luckily I am too fat to get underneath to inspect it
Ill let you into a secret, don't tell anyone this, don't want to ruin the illusion, I cleaned it that night! My OCD wouldn't have let me go to sleep knowing it was caked in salt. Thoroughly jet-washed above and below and its minty fresh again!
I don't mind using it properly, but it still deserves to be treated with respect!
Edited by Stupot123 on Friday 19th January 09:33
Stupot123 said:
Pivo-T said:
Respect @Stupot123 , I clean my car every weekend to avoid patina finish, but I cringe to think what my 992 looks like underneath. Luckily I am too fat to get underneath to inspect it
Ill let you into a secret, don't tell anyone this, don't want to ruin the illusion, I cleaned it that night! My OCD wouldn't have let me go to sleep knowing it was caked in salt. Thoroughly jet-washed above and below and its minty fresh again!
I don't mind using it properly, but it still deserves to be treated with respect!
Edited by Stupot123 on Friday 19th January 09:33
Pivo-T said:
Would you please share your jet-wash setup? I think I need to do something similar
I think its this Nilfisk one, bought a few years ago for around £350 from memory. Plenty powerful enough and seems a step up in quality from the normal high street brands, a bit more industrial. I looked at a few reviews at the time and the money vs quality seemed to be there.https://www.nilfisk.com/global/consumer/products/h...
I use to use Karcher, a K4 was the last one, but they are made of chocolate and my local Karcher dealer/repair center was awkward to deal with and charges so much to look at them they end up a write off when something inevitably goes wrong.
I wonder what is the ratio of 992 T with 7MT vs PDK transmission. Are there any reliable stats issued by DVLA or other register?
My OPC at Guildford told me that majority is PDK, while our small sample of 6 indicates 4 vs 2 respectively, ref here: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I realise that PistonHeads is a confereration of enthusiasts, so it will not reflect the whole market, but that is all factual info I have.
My OPC at Guildford told me that majority is PDK, while our small sample of 6 indicates 4 vs 2 respectively, ref here: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I realise that PistonHeads is a confereration of enthusiasts, so it will not reflect the whole market, but that is all factual info I have.
Some possibly controversial T opinions after a recent drive. And these are just my thoughts, aware other opinions are available!
I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
it’s always useful to hear different opinions and all
valid of course
As a long term 911 owner and coming to the T from
a 992 S it’s for me pretty much sorted. The weight
distribution really provides optimal traction and a
PEC day out demonstrated how predictable the adhesion
break point is.
It’s a shame you tried a car with rattles etc which can be annoying but fixable under warranty
In brief a lightly speccd T is possibly the optimal
road car in manual form
valid of course
As a long term 911 owner and coming to the T from
a 992 S it’s for me pretty much sorted. The weight
distribution really provides optimal traction and a
PEC day out demonstrated how predictable the adhesion
break point is.
It’s a shame you tried a car with rattles etc which can be annoying but fixable under warranty
In brief a lightly speccd T is possibly the optimal
road car in manual form
Stupot123 said:
Some possibly controversial T opinions after a recent drive. And these are just my thoughts, aware other opinions are available!
I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
The GTS suspension is much stiffer than a T. So if the T is not to your liking then completely discount getting a GTS unless you can find one with the sports suspension removed. My OPC was telling me they have bought back loads of GTS as owners found them too stiff.I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
I previously had a Carrera S with the sports suspension option and that is more or less the same as the T. I find it stiff, but liveable. As for traction, I have no problems, you just need to be gentle as the torque builds. On dry weather no problems, in this weather a high torque car is always going to spin up.
Stupot123 said:
Some possibly controversial T opinions after a recent drive. And these are just my thoughts, aware other opinions are available!
I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
Quick question, PDK or manual?I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
DMC2 said:
The GTS suspension is much stiffer than a T. So if the T is not to your liking then completely discount getting a GTS unless you can find one with the sports suspension removed. My OPC was telling me they have bought back loads of GTS as owners found them too stiff.
I previously had a Carrera S with the sports suspension option and that is more or less the same as the T. I find it stiff, but liveable. As for traction, I have no problems, you just need to be gentle as the torque builds. On dry weather no problems, in this weather a high torque car is always going to spin up.
The state of the roads and the weather up here is a contributing factor too.I previously had a Carrera S with the sports suspension option and that is more or less the same as the T. I find it stiff, but liveable. As for traction, I have no problems, you just need to be gentle as the torque builds. On dry weather no problems, in this weather a high torque car is always going to spin up.
That's interesting re GTS suspension, I thought the 911's were either standard or the -10 option, I thought the optional-10 on the S, the T and GTS were the same. So it would need to be a 4S with standard I would need, which ironically is what I originally ordered and 2 years later couldn't get a build slot for!
Yeh, I get that power, torque and 2wd has limitations, its more my expectations that's at fault rather than the car. Having lived with AWD for many many years that's the bar I have in my head and I miss the point and squirt any day and any where, any situation fun acceleration that it lets you enjoy. I've come to the conclusion that its a necessity for me.
Edited by Stupot123 on Friday 19th January 12:57
Northcote67 said:
Quick question, PDK or manual?
PDK, hate manuals with a passion, ive quoted one of my previous messages for reference, lol!!!.Stupot123 said:
ajap1979 said:
Out of interest, do you have figures for the split? Would be interesting to know how significantly PDK outsells manual.
I don’t know where you would get stats like that, don’t know if Porsche eventually give out production numbers.Back in July my OPC had a demo, mine was the first customer car, they had another customer car in build and their next demo ordered. All were PDK, although hardly a representative sample.
Just to make clear I am not dissing a manual gearbox, just that it isn’t for me and that now seems to be the general consensus. Ferrari didn’t discontinue it for fun, that was a commercial decision.
I have worked all my life in the motor trade with new company cars every. 3-6 months. My hatred of manual cars came from working with BMW and E46 and E39’s. Horrible notchy heavy short throw gearsticks with a really heavy and long travel clutch pedal that arced away up under the dash. Also they had a heavy flywheel effect and were quite difficult to drive smoothly in traffic. Just hard, hard work. If your new 328 or 525 turned up with a gearstick your heart sank, when it was auto it was a pleasurable few months.
Then we moved on to the newer gen stuff with the ZF 8 speed or dual clutches, they are incredible and do such a good job of things I couldn’t go back.
Interesting subject re longer term values for manuals. Less popular choices at the time tend to result in more value latter on as they are rarer, but there will come a point where the next generation can’t drive them. Kids will only have auto licenses as soon as the driving instructors have to move over to electric tuition cars, which probably isn’t as far away as it seems.
Anyway, potential an endless debate with no one being in the right or wrong. Buy what you like and enjoy.
Stupot123 said:
Some possibly controversial T opinions after a recent drive. And these are just my thoughts, aware other opinions are available!
I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
Very interesting observations, @Stupot123I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
Some points I agree with, some I don't, and of course it is a personal pref, e.g. I would pref Sport Suspension without -10mm lowered suspension. I believe its available on 992 S. Even in Surrey, we have way too many potholes and the suspension is firm for me (the driver) and very harsh for my wife to enjoy the ride. Having said that, traveling through EURP is amazing, the roads in FR--BE--NL--DE--ES--CH--even-IT area pleasure to ride.
Rattles and squeaks annoy me to no end! I have to say that over time many rattles disappeared, but on a corrugated road they tend to re-surface. It is mostly witing tapping on panels and other parts, but it is annoying. It can be fixed with sponge tape, but dealer doesnt feel like stripping the car(!?) Once again on EURP roads the rattles miraculously disappear.
I adore RWD with all the power and it requires getting used to it. Last month I came out of a gas station in Germany with wide open throttle and I pulled heroic oversteer. I felt like an idiot, saved by the electronic witchcraft. I am sure there were many locals shaking heads :/ When its cold and wet, the grip evaporates fast and I learned to tone my enthusiasm. I think intermediate tyres would make a big diff, but those are not available in the UK.
Stupot123 said:
Some possibly controversial T opinions after a recent drive. And these are just my thoughts, aware other opinions are available!
I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
Calling custard on the traction part, 911 does not have an issue in this regard with engine at rear and super wide tyres.I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
Its also super planted and predictable.
All depends what you are used to, my 456 ferrari was a handful, every TVR ive had especially Cerberas, M3 E46, AMG 36, 3.2 911 - but compared to a 4WD 200 bhp hatch you need to drive within the grip.
Although its entry level 911, its still got more power than a lotus carlton....
bennno said:
Stupot123 said:
Some possibly controversial T opinions after a recent drive. And these are just my thoughts, aware other opinions are available!
I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
Calling custard on the traction part, 911 does not have an issue in this regard with engine at rear and super wide tyres.I’m not loving it.
Positives
Brakes are amazing
Sound is amazing
Sharpness of the steering is amazing
Handling is amazing
Bose decent
Negatives, and these are becoming a deal breaker for me.
Suspension is way too firm for Scottish rough, bumpy, potholed roads. The wheel can get tugged from your hand and the car can dart in a different direction and get deflected. Needs a firm grab to bring it back on line. It just feels like there is almost no suspension travel and it’s almost travelling on its bump stops. Aware it’s a sports car, and the ride height does look good, but I think they have overdone it for UK roads.
Linked to this, the interior plastics and fixtures and fittings can’t cope with this rigidity, and they creak and groan and buzz from many places. Dependant on road surface and engine load it buzzes and vibrates to a level I struggle with, and yes dealer has tried to look at this and has come to the conclusion it’s effectively a characteristic. Tried another and it was similar.
RWD - it just can’t put its power down. This is more to do with powerful RWD cars in general, if anything the T is better than most with the weight of the engine giving better traction, certainly it’s much better than a previous 350Z and E92 M3. On a dry straight road its grip is amazing and with higher outside temperatures I am sure it would be better. But that opportunity doesn’t present itself that often up here, so 90% of the time it’s a touch frustrating. A quick blast out of a junction or a roundabout just isn’t an option, and leaves being schooled by a Golf tdi, and at higher speeds feels like it could take a nasty step out that’s too severe to catch. In the less than ideal conditions it always feels like it’s about to bite.
Maybe an M4 xdrive would have suited me better, or a C4S possibly a C4GTS, although that does have the stiff suspension. What makes this worse is a 6 month old one of them is now around what I paid for this.
Mmm, to be continued…..
Its also super planted and predictable.
All depends what you are used to, my 456 ferrari was a handful, every TVR ive had especially Cerberas, M3 E46, AMG 36, 3.2 911 - but compared to a 4WD 200 bhp hatch you need to drive within the grip.
Although its entry level 911, its still got more power than a lotus carlton....
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