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It’s interesting that Porsche deliberately omitted RWS from their benchmark 992 S/T, and their explanation gave convincing reasons not to have it on other models:
- Weight saving (7kg)
- Less Electrical demand to power RWS - so a smaller lighter battery can be fitted
- Performance - apparently RWS saps initial power when exiting corners
- Purity - the response to the driver’s inputs and feedback are more natural without RWS, making the S/T more engaging to drive.
- Weight saving (7kg)
- Less Electrical demand to power RWS - so a smaller lighter battery can be fitted
- Performance - apparently RWS saps initial power when exiting corners
- Purity - the response to the driver’s inputs and feedback are more natural without RWS, making the S/T more engaging to drive.
jdhutchy said:
I had a similar conversation when I ordered my car are you sure you want a manual???
I know the 991.2 t indy dealers defo like manual and sell them at a premium I also think the pdk car is amazing so it's choice.
Ps if I got a gt3 spot it would be pdk too!!!
Have a watch of the carrera t video on you tube from seen through glass he explains it well as he owns a gt3 but personally I don't think you need rws personall choice again.
Ever since my first Porsche in 2006, my OPC always seems surprised I choose a manual and try to steer me to automatic.I know the 991.2 t indy dealers defo like manual and sell them at a premium I also think the pdk car is amazing so it's choice.
Ps if I got a gt3 spot it would be pdk too!!!
Have a watch of the carrera t video on you tube from seen through glass he explains it well as he owns a gt3 but personally I don't think you need rws personall choice again.
Before ordering my T, I had a PDK out for the day - OPC guy was so desperate to prove the auto's were better. But for me, they're still a clunky mess around town, plus changing gear using a clutch is a huge part of the enjoyment of driving on the roads. PDK for the track, manual for the road is still my preferred choice.
The latest auto is always the 'one everyone wants come resale' we are told and that is true for a few years. But the reality is, once the next auto type 'box is out no one wants the older one.
BMW SMG, BMW DCT, first gen Porsche PDK in the 997. None of those hold a premium of the manuals now.
I remember them praising how good the new tiptronic was in the 996 when it came out.
Buy what you prefer.
BMW SMG, BMW DCT, first gen Porsche PDK in the 997. None of those hold a premium of the manuals now.
I remember them praising how good the new tiptronic was in the 996 when it came out.
Buy what you prefer.
Koln-RS said:
It’s interesting that Porsche deliberately omitted RWS from their benchmark 992 S/T, and their explanation gave convincing reasons not to have it on other models:
- Weight saving (7kg)
- Less Electrical demand to power RWS - so a smaller lighter battery can be fitted
- Performance - apparently RWS saps initial power when exiting corners
- Purity - the response to the driver’s inputs and feedback are more natural without RWS, making the S/T more engaging to drive.
Good points.- Weight saving (7kg)
- Less Electrical demand to power RWS - so a smaller lighter battery can be fitted
- Performance - apparently RWS saps initial power when exiting corners
- Purity - the response to the driver’s inputs and feedback are more natural without RWS, making the S/T more engaging to drive.
Drive a rws 992 GT3 and then a GT4RS and see which is the purer and more playful/higher fun factor car.....irrespective of where one prefers engine location/balance.
Not deriding the GT3 in any way btw.
GroundEffect said:
Most of the colourful 991.2 T manuals have disappeared. I'm interested in one in blue or yellow (or white). Anyone got anything they're looking to sell?
the bright colored ones go quick. RPM Technic sold a Guards Red manual in 5 days, without the Red Carrera T Interior Pack. Was PTS available in April/May 2018, would love to have seen a Viper or Signal Green one?I’m thinking of ditching my S63 soon and getting the 911 itch again (I’ve had seven so far). The T looks like the right iteration for my budget and needs, I’m really looking for something that taps into what I experienced with my first 911 back in the mid 1990’s, a 993 Carerra manual on 17’s with sports seats and little else.
It would have to be manual and beyond that I’m not sure what else, I’ve got RWS on my Taycan and it’s very good but can’t see the point on a 911. Any advice on extras gratefully received, there are quite a few new and very late cars out there at the moment, so I’ve some choice.
It would have to be manual and beyond that I’m not sure what else, I’ve got RWS on my Taycan and it’s very good but can’t see the point on a 911. Any advice on extras gratefully received, there are quite a few new and very late cars out there at the moment, so I’ve some choice.
Blue62 said:
I’m thinking of ditching my S63 soon and getting the 911 itch again (I’ve had seven so far). The T looks like the right iteration for my budget and needs, I’m really looking for something that taps into what I experienced with my first 911 back in the mid 1990’s, a 993 Carerra manual on 17’s with sports seats and little else.
It would have to be manual and beyond that I’m not sure what else, I’ve got RWS on my Taycan and it’s very good but can’t see the point on a 911. Any advice on extras gratefully received, there are quite a few new and very late cars out there at the moment, so I’ve some choice.
8 months in and I don't think I would change anything on mine. I've got a manual with RWS, rear seat delete, the T interior and some Racetex bits. Definitely pleased I went with 'safe' silver as I'm too lazy to wash my cars much and it hides the dirt brilliantly.It would have to be manual and beyond that I’m not sure what else, I’ve got RWS on my Taycan and it’s very good but can’t see the point on a 911. Any advice on extras gratefully received, there are quite a few new and very late cars out there at the moment, so I’ve some choice.
No reverse camera or other gubbins on mine which I don't miss but the blind spot lane warning thingy would have been worth speccing as the over the shoulder view is not great and it's a wide car. Standard stereo is good enough for me.
Blue62 said:
I’m thinking of ditching my S63 soon and getting the 911 itch again (I’ve had seven so far). The T looks like the right iteration for my budget and needs, I’m really looking for something that taps into what I experienced with my first 911 back in the mid 1990’s, a 993 Carerra manual on 17’s with sports seats and little else.
It would have to be manual and beyond that I’m not sure what else, I’ve got RWS on my Taycan and it’s very good but can’t see the point on a 911. Any advice on extras gratefully received, there are quite a few new and very late cars out there at the moment, so I’ve some choice.
I ditched the big sports saloon last year and bought a T. Like you my 911 history goes back to the mid 90's had first 911 was a white C2 on 17's with hard back seats. Brilliant. As is the new car.It would have to be manual and beyond that I’m not sure what else, I’ve got RWS on my Taycan and it’s very good but can’t see the point on a 911. Any advice on extras gratefully received, there are quite a few new and very late cars out there at the moment, so I’ve some choice.
Quick enough, how many traffic light grand prix do you run a day as a mate said!. My car is manual, RWS, with the 18 way seats which are great, std ICE as Bose wasn't available when I ordered mine, but as others have said its fine. Never really understood high end audio in a car when you have all the other noises interfering.....and spec'd other trinkets to make it nice to look at and sit in.
Handling is fantastic, everything is in the right place - absolutely love it. Drove it to southern Spain in September through France and the mid-pyrenees was brilliant. 35mpg at a fast motorway schlep too. Not quite as visceral as a 993 - but a great modern equivalent and so pleased I went manual, honestly it makes the car.
killysprint said:
I ditched the big sports saloon last year and bought a T. Like you my 911 history goes back to the mid 90's had first 911 was a white C2 on 17's with hard back seats. Brilliant. As is the new car.
Quick enough, how many traffic light grand prix do you run a day as a mate said!. My car is manual, RWS, with the 18 way seats which are great, std ICE as Bose wasn't available when I ordered mine, but as others have said its fine. Never really understood high end audio in a car when you have all the other noises interfering.....and spec'd other trinkets to make it nice to look at and sit in.
Handling is fantastic, everything is in the right place - absolutely love it. Drove it to southern Spain in September through France and the mid-pyrenees was brilliant. 35mpg at a fast motorway schlep too. Not quite as visceral as a 993 - but a great modern equivalent and so pleased I went manual, honestly it makes the car.
Just home and thank you and the other poster. We may be of a similar vintage, my pretty standard 993 remains one of my all time favourites and I sense a manual T might be as close as I can get. I reckon I’ve only got 30 years to live so I may as well get on with it. Quick enough, how many traffic light grand prix do you run a day as a mate said!. My car is manual, RWS, with the 18 way seats which are great, std ICE as Bose wasn't available when I ordered mine, but as others have said its fine. Never really understood high end audio in a car when you have all the other noises interfering.....and spec'd other trinkets to make it nice to look at and sit in.
Handling is fantastic, everything is in the right place - absolutely love it. Drove it to southern Spain in September through France and the mid-pyrenees was brilliant. 35mpg at a fast motorway schlep too. Not quite as visceral as a 993 - but a great modern equivalent and so pleased I went manual, honestly it makes the car.
Based on advice so far I will go for low spec: lights, surround view and and blind spot, it’s amazing how you get used to some driver aids.
Thanks and “snap”. I was a bit worried coming from track based Caymen how I’d find the 911. But a thorough test at PEC revealed the T would be an excellent replacement for the GT4 so no regrets. I loved how controllable it was on the limit and that LSD makes it easy to play with a bit of oversteer. Nice! Early days of course but I think bar a potential brake upgrade at some point this one is just about perfect.
G40R_JL said:
Early days of course but I think bar a potential brake upgrade at some point this one is just about perfect.
In road use, I found the performance of the standard brakes on the 991T and the 992T to be fine.However, it is a real shame that pccbs were never offered as an option on the 992T.
And quite odd really, as it is only 992 model that they aren’t available on, yet would have really suited the ‘T’s lightweight ethos.
Granted, not everyone wants or ‘gets’ ceramic brakes, but they do provide numerous dynamic benefits, and IMO would have elevated the ‘T’.
Geneve said:
In road use, I found the performance of the standard brakes on the 991T and the 992T to be fine.
However, it is a real shame that pccbs were never offered as an option on the 992T.
And quite odd really, as it is only 992 model that they aren’t available on, yet would have really suited the ‘T’s lightweight ethos.
Granted, not everyone wants or ‘gets’ ceramic brakes, but they do provide numerous dynamic benefits, and IMO would have elevated the ‘T’.
agreed, great option on the 991 T and like you said more in line of T Ethos.. not sure on the secondary market, people want them after age & mileage. RPM Techik just sold one with Ceramics and 24k miles, so maybe they do even though this one had weigh saving brakes but omitted the unique GT2RS Light Weight Glass for Standard Glass with Privacy option… with or without ceramics, great cars.
However, it is a real shame that pccbs were never offered as an option on the 992T.
And quite odd really, as it is only 992 model that they aren’t available on, yet would have really suited the ‘T’s lightweight ethos.
Granted, not everyone wants or ‘gets’ ceramic brakes, but they do provide numerous dynamic benefits, and IMO would have elevated the ‘T’.
agreed, great option on the 991 T and like you said more in line of T Ethos.. not sure on the secondary market, people want them after age & mileage. RPM Techik just sold one with Ceramics and 24k miles, so maybe they do even though this one had weigh saving brakes but omitted the unique GT2RS Light Weight Glass for Standard Glass with Privacy option… with or without ceramics, great cars.
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