Flipped GT3.2's

[MDL111]

AndrewD said:

ted 191 said:

Define best customers........I think you mean the arse lickers that buy stuff they don't want or flip stuff back to their OPC, like I said earlier, it's more if your face fits and the OPC can see you will play their game.
You've got every model you've asked for from your OPC, I haven't, now if we both list our porsche history, I will gaurentee I beat you, please try and answer that, without trying to be a smart arse.

Chris as I already said it isn't up to me to define best customers and I don't know what use it would be for me to offer my view as I don't run an OPC or decide on allocations. I am just a customer like you.

You say "arse licking" and "play their game". Did you do that to secure your GT3 slot? I guess you must have.

Also we know each other, so I know you are some years older than me, I guess you might have owned more Porsches. So what?

No dog in this fight, but would it not be easiest to define best customer from the AGs perspective as just having a list of who spent the most money over the last 12/24/whatever months on new cars/racing from Porsche (or possibly the VW Group) and is therefore most deserving. Then cars get allocated to all of these people who want one until all allocations are gone (must be reasonably easy to track revenue per person on the ordering system). Sure it ignores used car buyers, but the AG does not care about those all that much at a guess.

[RSVP911]

v8ksn said:

RSVP911 said:

anonymous said:

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Got to say, I can relate to this and I imagine it will not only be me.

In some respects, these things are gilded cages and the emotional investing in the allocation process is a complete PITA and is such a time waster - I can’t believe as a relatively intelligent adult, that I am part of this farce !

Need to have a proper word with myself

Was in Monaco for the F1 race a few years back and myself and a few friends were watching a bloke on a yacht. We were wondering to ourselves that this bloke has a beautiful yacht and must not have a care in the world.......the bloke on the yacht was probably looking at the bigger yacht to his left with green eyes and trying to work out how he can upgrade! Meanwhile, there are people out there who probably covet the part-exchanges more than the buyer covets the newer purchase.

You have had (and have) some beautiful cars and its only natural to want 'the next best thing' and for what its worth, I hope you DO get an allocation for a 991.2 GT3 but if you dont, just go out for a drive in that beautiful air-cooled Silver 911 you have (if you still have it!) and everything will feel OK again

Cheers for the post .

So first things first - next time you see me on my yacht please come and say hi ! (Obviously this is a joke I don’t own a yacht - I can’t land my jet on it and I can’t swim)
(Obviously I don’t own a jet either - and I can swim - you know what this isn’t at all funny and I wish I hadn’t made the gag now ! Also for the record if I did own a jet, I would have paid the VAT on it ; which is more than we could say for some ......)

Right I digress .........

Re cars - you are completely correct - I have been very lucky and in truth, I will not loose any sleep if I don’t get an allocation and actually if it wasn’t in manual form, I wouldn’t be interested and I certainly wouldn’t come out of a 991 RS for a PDK GT3.

The good news is little Alfie (came with the name) and I are still together and we have vowed never to leave each other - so if the st hits the fan I will do as you suggest and take him for a spin instead

Gratuitous photo

Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 11th November 15:00

[PantsFire]

The thing that bothers be about 'flipped' cars is that none of us would give a st about flipping if there was a proper order system with a Porsche controlled list, sure you might be number 3106 and scheduled for January-March 2019 but you'd know you were getting one, if someone else gets theirs sooner and flips it for a bajillion quid it's no skin off your nose because yours is coming so no stress.

But instead we have a nonsense 'allocation' system that means you'll never get a new GT unless you jump through a bunch of hoops and then you might get one assuming Porsche are generous to your dealer. How many people have Porsche alienated with this system, how many McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini customers walked away from Porsche dealerships.

Sure Porsche are doing record business in the SUV space and the numbers look good but if I was auditing the company for VW I'd be asking 'How many sales are we missing out on?', my dealer asked for a 'letter of intent to buy a GT3', has someone counted the number of letters that didn't get a car? If only 20% of those were serious orders who'd place deposits how much profit would Porsche have made from them?

[isaldiri]

ted 191 said:

AndrewD said:

That's my point, it isn't for me or Germany to define the best customers it is for the OPC.

As I said a lot of noise on the internet about brown envelopes but it seems to me this is because people are understandably disappointed and no system can stop that when demand massively exceeds supply.

Define best customers........
You've got every model you've asked for from your OPC, I haven't, now if we both list our porsche history, I will gaurentee I beat you, please try and answer that, without trying to be a smart arse.

For those who can and do get every GT car they want for whatever reason (vip, 'brand ambassador' etc), everything is fine and dandy I guess irrespective of how others with better recent buying history etc are doing wrt to the same cars and anyway it's very much in their interest to hope others don't get further allocations to have the cars remain rare.

[PantsFire]

anonymous said:

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Why? The 488 is out two years and they're still reselling around MRSP, as each new model is released car fans would get excited and people who 'must have it now' would look to buy them off those lucky enough to be at the right point on the list. As I see it the benefit to Porsche AG would be increased sales and a much larger group of happy customers which gives them more resilience against changes in the market while the OPC's would sell more GT's with larger commissions and service expenses and still get to flip/re-sell cars. The only people who'd lose out are flippers and non-OPC dealers and why should Porsche give a fudge about them.

[Robbo66]

AndrewD said:

ted 191 said:

Define best customers........I think you mean the arse lickers that buy stuff they don't want or flip stuff back to their OPC, like I said earlier, it's more if your face fits and the OPC can see you will play their game.
You've got every model you've asked for from your OPC, I haven't, now if we both list our porsche history, I will gaurentee I beat you, please try and answer that, without trying to be a smart arse.

Chris as I already said it isn't up to me to define best customers and I don't know what use it would be for me to offer my view as I don't run an OPC or decide on allocations. I am just a customer like you.

You say "arse licking" and "play their game". Did you do that to secure your GT3 slot? I guess you must have.

Also we know each other, so I know you are some years older than me, I guess you might have owned more Porsches. So what?

Realise it’s not up to you to define ‘best customer’, but as you mentioned it, you must have some idea of the criteria needed. In my experience, this varies wildly.
Have to say Andrew, that the system of allowing the DP to choose how the GT cars are allocated, through a unregulated set of criteria is utterly nonsensical.
I think selling back your GT car to your OPC is fair, and should be accepted by both parties.
I would have done so with my 991GT3, however my slot for the RS evaporated, so part ex’d with a specialist to by the ST. I’m lucky to have the cars I have, so not losing sleep over not getting the latest/greatest etc.
Again, a ‘best customer’ will be defined in many different ways, depending on that DP at that OPC.

[AndrewD]

RSVP911 said:

Cheers for the post .

So first things first - next time you see me on my yacht please come and say hi ! (Obviously this is a joke I don’t own a yacht - I can’t land my jet on it and I can’t swim)
(Obviously I don’t own a jet either - and I can swim - you know what this isn’t at all funny and I wish I hadn’t made the gag now ! Also for the record if I did own a jet, I would have paid the VAT on it ; which is more than we could say for some ......)

Right I digress .........

Re cars - you are completely correct - I have been very lucky and in truth, I will not loose any sleep if I don’t get an allocation and actually if it wasn’t in manual form, I wouldn’t be interested and I certainly wouldn’t come out of a 991 RS for a PDK GT3.

The good news is little Alfie (came with the name) and I are still together and we have vowed never to leave each other - so if the st hits the fan I will do as you suggest and take him for a spin instead

Gratuitous photo

Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 11th November 15:00

I was going to suggest Porsche allocate you a GT3 just because of the smile I'm sure you brought to everyone's faces reading that post. Up until the time you started to talk about your life with Alfie

[AndrewD]

Robbo66 said:

Realise it’s not up to you to define ‘best customer’, but as you mentioned it, you must have some idea of the criteria needed. In my experience, this varies wildly.
Have to say Andrew, that the system of allowing the DP to choose how the GT cars are allocated, through a unregulated set of criteria is utterly nonsensical.
I think selling back your GT car to your OPC is fair, and should be accepted by both parties.
I would have done so with my 991GT3, however my slot for the RS evaporated, so part ex’d with a specialist to by the ST. I’m lucky to have the cars I have, so not losing sleep over not getting the latest/greatest etc.
Again, a ‘best customer’ will be defined in many different ways, depending on that DP at that OPC.

Fair comment of course. Criteria do vary, my OPC for example allocated R's to people who didn't get an RS and gen 2 GT3 to people who didn't get one from them the first gen, which seems fair though at the time for the R I wished they chose a different basis (like is your name Andrew and are you infeasibly handsome). I heard different at other OPCs. But the DP is accountable for the performance of his or her operation so why wouldn't you leave him or her to decide? Most OPCs are franchises and I would expect Porsche to be clear to the point of fastidiousness that the franchise is on the line if they do something to undermine the brand. So there is "regulation", but I am a free market advocate and maybe some are less so, though more rules would still leave people annoyed. They should make more cars but Porsche know what they are doing here - just surprised they don't hike prices to take account of the demand. Driving the manual GT3, there is nothing to compare it to at 175k imo never mind 135-140k fully optioned at list.

[Fish]

Gratuitous pic from this mornings early engine running in....

[PantsFire]

anonymous said:

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The 'low miles' 991.1's are symptom of the flipping problem, people trying to keep miles down so they can sell at or above MSRP when they finish willy waving, but looking at the 991.1's there's plenty with over 8k miles and considering most would be weekend or track day cars that's not too bad.

I get what you're saying about exclusivity, but that can be maintained by making them in limited numbers, if Porsche were to set a time table of 'Every three years we release a new GT3', which they more or less do now, they could calculate how many to build a year to ensure that the whole three year list was pre-sold, meaning anyone who wanted one was pre-ordering the next generation, that would imbue exclusivity upon the current 'sold-out' car and maintain a good re-sale market while disappointing no one.

[n17ves]

ted 191 said:

cormeist said:

I cant believe an OPC had 100 Genuine interested parties... i mean 20-30 yeah, with mostly messers in those figures, If i dont get an allocation this time round, ill be on the case for an even harder to get 3RS hahaha

Leeds OPC had 74 deposits, so I'm told.

The same dealership that had 7x 991.1 GT3 RS’s forsale in the showroom all lined up in a row just a few months into the production cycle. They even had the audacity to post a pic on Instagram, despite not advertising any of them on the official porsche car locator (for obvious reasons). But they will tell you they don’t sell to flippers...

[mattf93]

n17ves said:

ted 191 said:

cormeist said:

I cant believe an OPC had 100 Genuine interested parties... i mean 20-30 yeah, with mostly messers in those figures, If i dont get an allocation this time round, ill be on the case for an even harder to get 3RS hahaha

Leeds OPC had 74 deposits, so I'm told.

The same dealership that had 7x 991.1 GT3 RS’s forsale in the showroom all lined up in a row just a few months into the production cycle. They even had the audacity to post a pic on Instagram, despite not advertising any of them on the official porsche car locator (for obvious reasons). But they will tell you they don’t sell to flippers...

so nearly 3/4 Million in deposits presumably? Mental.

[RSVP911]

AndrewD said:

RSVP911 said:

Cheers for the post .

So first things first - next time you see me on my yacht please come and say hi ! (Obviously this is a joke I don’t own a yacht - I can’t land my jet on it and I can’t swim)
(Obviously I don’t own a jet either - and I can swim - you know what this isn’t at all funny and I wish I hadn’t made the gag now ! Also for the record if I did own a jet, I would have paid the VAT on it ; which is more than we could say for some ......)

Right I digress .........

Re cars - you are completely correct - I have been very lucky and in truth, I will not loose any sleep if I don’t get an allocation and actually if it wasn’t in manual form, I wouldn’t be interested and I certainly wouldn’t come out of a 991 RS for a PDK GT3.

The good news is little Alfie (came with the name) and I are still together and we have vowed never to leave each other - so if the st hits the fan I will do as you suggest and take him for a spin instead

Gratuitous photo

Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 11th November 15:00

I was going to suggest Porsche allocate you a GT3 just because of the smile I'm sure you brought to everyone's faces reading that post. Up until the time you started to talk about your life with Alfie

I know reading it back now - what was I thinking - such a breakdown of decorum : I should refer to him as Alfred in public - Schoolboy error

[RSVP911]

AndrewD said:

Robbo66 said:

Realise it’s not up to you to define ‘best customer’, but as you mentioned it, you must have some idea of the criteria needed. In my experience, this varies wildly.
Have to say Andrew, that the system of allowing the DP to choose how the GT cars are allocated, through a unregulated set of criteria is utterly nonsensical.
I think selling back your GT car to your OPC is fair, and should be accepted by both parties.
I would have done so with my 991GT3, however my slot for the RS evaporated, so part ex’d with a specialist to by the ST. I’m lucky to have the cars I have, so not losing sleep over not getting the latest/greatest etc.
Again, a ‘best customer’ will be defined in many different ways, depending on that DP at that OPC.

for the R I wished they chose a different basis (like is your name Andrew and are you infeasibly handsome).

Not sure hitting the criteria on just one of the two counts would be enough Andrew - sorry

[AndrewD]

RSVP911 said:

Not sure hitting the criteria on just one of the two counts would be enough Andrew - sorry

You only have eyes for Alfie, I get that

[giles panizzi]

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Po...

[MDL111]

giles panizzi said:

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Po...

Good selection of cars available in Germany, but not cheap (although a lot closer to list than in the U.K.)

[johnny senna]

giles panizzi said:

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Po...

The way they feel the need to cover up the car just shows how shady and sordid the whole overs / flipping thing has become. The owner is too ashamed to potentially identify themself. It speaks volumes.

[2010spy]

johnny senna said:

The way they feel the need to cover up the car just shows how shady and sordid the whole overs / flipping thing has become. The owner is too ashamed to potentially identify themself. It speaks volumes.

It's Racing Yellow, by the look of it!

[RSVP911]

johnny senna said:

The way they feel the need to cover up the car just shows how shady and sordid the whole overs / flipping thing has become. The owner is too ashamed to potentially identify themself. It speaks volumes.

Maybe - I also think it just adds a bit of an angle from a sales point of view - quite clever really - they always look so damm sexy in their shiny jackets