Flipped GT3.2's

[n17ves]

Sustenpass said:

It seems to me that those who are not 'on the list' because they're not buying enough Cayennes could just buy a delivery mileage flipped car and save the hassle of buying other cars they don't want to curry favour.

The overall cost across many new Porsches vs one flipped GT car is probably similar.

And if the sticking point is that you don't get to spec your own and therefore might end up with the wrong colour stitching, well...

Edited by Sustenpass on Tuesday 7th November 22:19

Not the case with some dealerships, they have a much more unorthodox allocation process behind close doors.... This is the bone of contention for me.

[v8ksn]

Cheib said:

My OPC had a customer who bought a GT4 around this time last year who also owns Spyder. He traded it back in six months later having driven a massive 16 miles....he lives 8 miles from the dealership. The car had a couple of thousand miles on it. Even if you bought the thing as an investment he could have at least done a couple of hundred miles in it! Males zero sense to me.

Truly bonkers!

Whenever I buy a car I always take it out on specific roads I have driven many times in many cars over many years and I know most of the dips and crests and cambers that can highlight a chassis strengths and weaknesses. Its my way of comparing the different cars and how they have improved (or got worse) over the years.

Surely this is the point of buying a performace car? To compare old against new and to get a feel of the driving dynamics of your new purchase.

[WCZ]

2010spy said:

I would be amazed if anyone pays £200k for these cars. I don't think the economy, especially the market for cars is going anywhere, except South over the next 12 months. Let's see.

£200k is 488 money - https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I think you'd have to be nuts to spend this on a standard gt3

[RSVP911]

WCZ said:

2010spy said:

I would be amazed if anyone pays £200k for these cars. I don't think the economy, especially the market for cars is going anywhere, except South over the next 12 months. Let's see.

£200k is 488 money - https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I think you'd have to be nuts to spend this on a standard gt3

Agreed - I can think of other cars that I’d spend £k200 on before a 991.2 GT3

[rkwm1]

Sustenpass said:

It seems to me that those who are not 'on the list' because they're not buying enough Cayennes could just buy a delivery mileage flipped car and save the hassle of buying other cars they don't want to curry favour.

The overall cost across many new Porsches vs one flipped GT car is probably similar.

And if the sticking point is that you don't get to spec your own and therefore might end up with the wrong colour stitching, well...

Edited by Sustenpass on Tuesday 7th November 22:19

No kudos in that though!

[Fokker]

WCZ said:

2010spy said:

I would be amazed if anyone pays £200k for these cars. I don't think the economy, especially the market for cars is going anywhere, except South over the next 12 months. Let's see.

£200k is 488 money - https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I think you'd have to be nuts to spend this on a standard gt3

I'd disagree. I'd rather have a 'standard' GT3 if that's the correct word to use, than a 488 at 200k.

[Cheib]

Fokker said:

WCZ said:

2010spy said:

I would be amazed if anyone pays £200k for these cars. I don't think the economy, especially the market for cars is going anywhere, except South over the next 12 months. Let's see.

£200k is 488 money - https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I think you'd have to be nuts to spend this on a standard gt3

I'd disagree. I'd rather have a 'standard' GT3 if that's the correct word to use, than a 488 at 200k.

One thing is for sure if you're spending £200k it opens up an awful lot of options. If I was going to spend £200k on a Ferrari it would be an F12

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

But I'd rather have a GT3.

[AndrewD]

Collected my manual GT3 today. I certainly wouldn't swap it for a 488 or F12, personally.

[breadvan]

AndrewD said:

Collected my manual GT3 today. I certainly wouldn't swap it for a 488 or F12, personally.

I wish we had a ‘thumbs up’ icon.

[RSVP911]

Fokker said:

WCZ said:

2010spy said:

I would be amazed if anyone pays £200k for these cars. I don't think the economy, especially the market for cars is going anywhere, except South over the next 12 months. Let's see.

£200k is 488 money - https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
I think you'd have to be nuts to spend this on a standard gt3

I'd disagree. I'd rather have a 'standard' GT3 if that's the correct word to use, than a 488 at 200k.

I really don’t want to piss on anyone’s bonfire and I know I haven’t driven a 991.2 GT3 yet - but come on chaps, £k200 is a bit rich for a GT3 - if you really think this, then it must be night and day better than the gen 1 and the 991RS rather than an incremental gain - which I just can’t see being the case - really sorry (I’m not saying that it’s not a great car BTW)

If I was spending £k200 on a car it wouldn’t be on a GT3 - sorry .

[Koln-RS]

I agree with that.

There'll always be some people who will resent paying much over list on principle. Others will judge what a particular car means to them and determine if they want to pay the 'market rate' - this is very apparent in the 'classic' market.

But, there will also be others, who want something, now, and will pay the price. The likes of Tom Hartley and similar, must get the phone call - "Source me, or my client, a 991.2 GT3, in XYZ colours, for early delivery. Oh, and what's the price?"

These cars will never be in the classifieds.

[Porsche911R]

RSVP911 said:

I really don’t want to piss on anyone’s bonfire and I know I haven’t driven a 991.2 GT3 yet - but come on chaps, £k200 is a bit rich for a GT3 - if you really think this, then it must be night and day better than the gen 1 and the 991RS rather than an incremental gain - which I just can’t see being the case - really sorry (I’m not saying that it’s not a great car BTW)

If I was spending £k200 on a car it wouldn’t be on a GT3 - sorry .

Nor me the performanti looks special and for £200k I would want some thing a bit different than a £45k base model Boxster inside,

I never get excited when new Pork arrives as the base cars are so good plus the same inside as the £150k stuff it always feels a bit meh.

Rebuying Pork never feels exciting. and if I owned the 991 RS I would not even want a gen 2 GT3, RS models are king imo.

[AndrewD]

RSVP911 said:

I really don’t want to piss on anyone’s bonfire and I know I haven’t driven a 991.2 GT3 yet - but come on chaps, £k200 is a bit rich for a GT3 - if you really think this, then it must be night and day better than the gen 1 and the 991RS rather than an incremental gain - which I just can’t see being the case - really sorry (I’m not saying that it’s not a great car BTW)

If I was spending £k200 on a car it wouldn’t be on a GT3 - sorry .

R - the manual really is much better than the 991RS in my opinion. I can't see me driving my 991RS much now. It simply offers more fun and involvement on the road which is where I do my driving until I have more time to be a track day billy once again. And I prefer the extra grunt over the RS in the mid range.

[throt]

anonymous said:

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Its unreal isn't it and true but sad.. i just do not get it, never will.

[Porsche911R]

AndrewD said:

And I prefer the extra grunt over the RS in the mid range.

you have 40 miles on the clock and think the 4.0L engine has more grunt than the RS 4.0 engine already !

The hype is crazy lol

[AndrewD]

Porsche911R said:

AndrewD said:

And I prefer the extra grunt over the RS in the mid range.

you have 40 miles on the clock and think the 4.0L engine has more grunt than the RS 4.0 engine already !

The hype is crazy lol

Are you always this uninformed and argumentative?

Even with 75 miles the engine is obviously more torquey in real world use. Compared to my RS I've owned for almost 2 years.

No need to hype either car, sorry to disappoint you.

Or are you claiming the RS is more torquey? Not quite sure what point you are failing to make. Again.

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

you have 40 miles on the clock and think the 4.0L engine has more grunt than the RS 4.0 engine already !

The hype is crazy lol

SportAuto dyno of both cars very clearly shows the mid range 4-6k torque on the new gt3 is higher than the RS a d more area under the curve full stop even at high revs. Still a tad lower than the old 4.0 though

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

SportAuto dyno of both cars very clearly shows the mid range 4-6k torque on the new gt3 is higher than the RS a d more area under the curve full stop even at high revs. Still a tad lower than the old 4.0 though

We all know that

but more noticeable after 75 miles really ! esp over an RS with PDK. I would also say the map tested will be the PDK map as we all know the manual map has been dulled down to work with a real diff, less RWS etc over the all singing and dancing ediffs , just look at the performance stats of the manual over the PDK on the Porsche web site. PDK don't make that big a difference to show those sorts of stats in the manual.

we are talking such small % and are people really doing WOT on a car with 75 miles on to notice ?.

[AndrewD]

Of course it is noticeable. Try driving these cars not picking imaginary arguments on the internet. I realise that suggestion will fall on deaf ears.

[Fish]

Well I've never driven a 991.1, but my 991.2 (manual) feels a lot stronger than my old 997.2 GT3..

Edited by Fish on Thursday 9th November 15:09