Flipped GT3.2's

[Cheib]

throt said:

anonymous said:

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Its unreal isn't it and true but sad.. i just do not get it, never will.

It's not just Porsche buyers ....it's evrey make under the sun. The inventory US dealers hold is incredible

This dealer has 151 new porsches' in stock !!! A mere 24 new 911's

http://www.porschewestbroward.com/porsche.aspx

[v8ksn]

The only people who can say what the 991.2 GT3 feels like to drive......are the ones who have driven one!

Sheesh!

Congratulations to all the new owners, I wish you many miles with many smiles.

To be perfectly honest, if I had one in my garage I would not be on this forum arguing semantics.

Might book a day off tomorrow and take my 997.1 GT3 to the coast

[BubblesNW]

Fish said:

Well I've never driven a 991.1, but it does feel a lot stronger than my old 997.2 GT3..

I've not driven either but I agree with you, the 991.1 does feel a lot stronger

[Porsche911R]

AndrewD said:

Of course it is noticeable. Try driving these cars not picking imaginary arguments on the internet. I realise that suggestion will fall on deaf ears.

I call you on it as new car hype :-)

RS has peak 460NM torque, GT3 the same 460NM at just about the same rpm

at 4500 the RS has about 400NM the gen 2 GT3 has.........less at 4500 rpm !!!! and this is best case on the PDK map !

so unless you live in low gears at 2k revs which is not really a GT3 thing to do, or any sports car for that matter you are not going to notice !!

even at 3k revs the RS has 340NM the GT3 has .. well less again about 335 NM

The RS has a dip at 4k so 355NM the GT3 370NM so dead on 4k you gain 15 NM in the new GT3.

if you got into the 454BHP GTS which give out crazy torque at 3k revs and said wow the torque was far better I would agree, RS vs gen 2 Gt3 with 75 miles on the clock, I do have to call it a bit as new car owner hype :-p

Any way as I own neither and you own both, feel free to hype the new car up over the RS as much as you want :-)

But when you are talking a 4.0L 460NM 500hp engine vs a 4.0L 460NM 500HP engine it's a bit daft after 75 miles esp as the manual has a detuned map to work with a real diff etc,the performance stats are well down on the manual car.

2k rpm I'll give it to you the new GT3 has grunt at 2k :-)

[flatboy]

I had a 4.0RS and 991. GT3.

My new manual 991.2 GT3 is luverly.

Still not run in (on 1700 miles) but you just know that it will be great. Even with 4000 rpm it's great. Trying it out on a track next so will come back to you. Drove an R at PEC and to be quite honest, I feel this engine is better.

All I would like is the profiled roof!

[flatboy]

911R

What cars have you got?

I just wonder whether the thrust effect from the profiled plastic on the boot is at work here. The power figures are all taken static whereas the thrust effect comes in with speed? There does seem to be more power there which, whilst the figures seem to match, comes from somewhere. Certainly the manual gearbox keeps the driver well occupied. This is a good thing on the roads for me. On a track... that's different, but as I said, I will know how that feels next week.

This is all a bit subjective, but before you say 'emperors new clothes", maybe try and drive one?

[boxsey]

flatboy said:

Still not run in (on 1700 miles) but you just know that it will be great. Even with 4000 rpm it's great. Trying it out on a track next so will come back to you. Drove an R at PEC and to be quite honest, I feel this engine is better.

PGCB day at Oulton Park on Wednesday?

[flatboy]

Goldtrack Silverstone

Just had a quick look on other Forums and 911R is a prize poster!

[hunter 66]

Daytona International Speedway in the RS ..... looking forward to night Qualifying later today.... on the 30 degree banking

[GT4P]

Porsche911R said:

Said stuff
:-)

I take it from your recent posts and sniffing around Lotus that you have not secured a Gt3 , which is shame as I know you would have driven the thing and not added to collection of every modern GT porsche car that has come out of the factory in the past 2 years or been a flipper!
But I would rather have a manual touring Gt3 than a RS plus I am not greedy one GT car will do for me as long as it. Is manual!

Edited by GT4P on Thursday 9th November 14:09

[AndrewD]

Porsche911R said:

I call you on it as new car hype :-)

RS has peak 460NM torque, GT3 the same 460NM at just about the same rpm

at 4500 the RS has about 400NM the gen 2 GT3 has.........less at 4500 rpm !!!! and this is best case on the PDK map !

so unless you live in low gears at 2k revs which is not really a GT3 thing to do, or any sports car for that matter you are not going to notice !!

even at 3k revs the RS has 340NM the GT3 has .. well less again about 335 NM

The RS has a dip at 4k so 355NM the GT3 370NM so dead on 4k you gain 15 NM in the new GT3.

if you got into the 454BHP GTS which give out crazy torque at 3k revs and said wow the torque was far better I would agree, RS vs gen 2 Gt3 with 75 miles on the clock, I do have to call it a bit as new car owner hype :-p

Any way as I own neither and you own both, feel free to hype the new car up over the RS as much as you want :-)

But when you are talking a 4.0L 460NM 500hp engine vs a 4.0L 460NM 500HP engine it's a bit daft after 75 miles esp as the manual has a detuned map to work with a real diff etc,the performance stats are well down on the manual car.

2k rpm I'll give it to you the new GT3 has grunt at 2k :-)

Not sure why I need to hype this car. Got a 2RS coming in a few months which will put any of these torque and power figures into perspective. It is simply imparting initial impressions from driving a car. If you don't like it with your internet view of life, so be it. We can all quote stats, Porsche claim GT3 80-120 in 5th is 4.9s and the RS is half a second slower. Just saying how it feels in the car. The GT3 is really quite different to the RS in this.

[Taffy66]

I wasn't aware that the GT3.2 PDK had a better map than the GT3.2 manual..I find this quite perplexing to say the least and unless Mr D can offer some proof i will consign this bit of info to the bin..

[Fl0pp3r]

breadvan said:

I wish we had a ‘thumbs up’ icon.

You mean this one?...

[isaldiri]

He asked for thumbs not a singular digit....

[RSVP911]

Porsche911R said:

RSVP911 said:

I really don’t want to piss on anyone’s bonfire and I know I haven’t driven a 991.2 GT3 yet - but come on chaps, £k200 is a bit rich for a GT3 - if you really think this, then it must be night and day better than the gen 1 and the 991RS rather than an incremental gain - which I just can’t see being the case - really sorry (I’m not saying that it’s not a great car BTW)

If I was spending £k200 on a car it wouldn’t be on a GT3 - sorry .

Nor me the performanti looks special and for £200k I would want some thing a bit different than a £45k base model Boxster inside,

I never get excited when new Pork arrives as the base cars are so good plus the same inside as the £150k stuff it always feels a bit meh.

Rebuying Pork never feels exciting. and if I owned the 991 RS I would not even want a gen 2 GT3, RS models are king imo.

Except the orange ones

[RSVP911]

AndrewD said:

RSVP911 said:

I really don’t want to piss on anyone’s bonfire and I know I haven’t driven a 991.2 GT3 yet - but come on chaps, £k200 is a bit rich for a GT3 - if you really think this, then it must be night and day better than the gen 1 and the 991RS rather than an incremental gain - which I just can’t see being the case - really sorry (I’m not saying that it’s not a great car BTW)

If I was spending £k200 on a car it wouldn’t be on a GT3 - sorry .

R - the manual really is much better than the 991RS in my opinion. I can't see me driving my 991RS much now. It simply offers more fun and involvement on the road which is where I do my driving until I have more time to be a track day billy once again. And I prefer the extra grunt over the RS in the mid range.

Agree the Manual offers something different to the 991 RS and would be the only reason I’d swap - but I’d only do this at list - Otherwise I’ll happily keep the RS - I just think £k200 for a GT3 is bonkers : at list - amazing : reasonable overs , fine if you must ; but £k 200 - is as silly as some spending £k250/80 on an RS when it launched

[ted 191]

n17ves said:

Long story short.... for questioning the allocation process and unethical behaviour because of what I know! I had a £10k deposit down on the 991.2 GT3 and was unsuccessful. Now banned from 4 x OPC (one franchise) for daring to question the process.

Porsche GB, or even Germany, need to step in and have a say in the allocation process, it's not just OPC's with different methods of allocation to each other, I know of people with a first GT3 allocation that has only bought one new porsche and that was a few years ago, I have also been told, "from the horses mouth" that if you don't play the game, you don't get a car, no matter how many cars have been bought.
Everybody has reasons why they think they should be "allowed" to buy a GT porsche, it would be good for all involved to have some set guide lines and decisions not decided on arse licking and if the DP likes you.

[79TurboS]

ted 191 said:

Porsche GB, or even Germany, need to step in and have a say in the allocation process, it's not just OPC's with different methods of allocation to each other, I know of people with a first GT3 allocation that has only bought one new porsche and that was a few years ago, I have also been told, "from the horses mouth" that if you don't play the game, you don't get a car, no matter how many cars have been bought.
Everybody has reasons why they think they should be "allowed" to buy a GT porsche, it would be good for all involved to have some set guide lines and decisions not decided on arse licking and if the DP likes you.

Yup no point in trying to figure out the process because there isn’t one. Bought several new Porsche’s in as many years and because i didn’t suck the dps balls and build a “special relationship” no car for me. Called porsche gb and questioned the process and they said it’s up to the dealers. Real helpful. Want to buy another daily Porsche either a panamera or new cayenne but given the way I’ve been treated pains me to give them more of my money so going to hold off. Still in the running to get a gt3 and I’m “on the list” but I’m not that hopeful. Whole process is a total ball ache all I want is a damn car to use!

[n17ves]

ted 191 said:

Porsche GB, or even Germany, need to step in and have a say in the allocation process, it's not just OPC's with different methods of allocation to each other, I know of people with a first GT3 allocation that has only bought one new porsche and that was a few years ago, I have also been told, "from the horses mouth" that if you don't play the game, you don't get a car, no matter how many cars have been bought.
Everybody has reasons why they think they should be "allowed" to buy a GT porsche, it would be good for all involved to have some set guide lines and decisions not decided on arse licking and if the DP likes you.

I agree.

I was invited place my deposit after registering my interest 2 years ago, and in return received a comms number and order form. When I was told that I wouldn’t be getting a car, I naturally pushed for a reason why and was told I needed to have purchased 5 cars. When I offered to also place an order for Cayenne to meet these numbers, this quickly became 7 cars.

The set criteria (if transparent) doesn’t actually bother me so much if it was actually followed, but when they don’t follow the criteria and then actually lie about not selling GT3’s to customer that have been already flipped cars, it does make you question the whole system. You then learn about the ‘deals’ that have been made to secure these cars, and you then quickly realise it’s all one big sham and the criteria doesn’t exist at all. Yes there will be the some genuine customers (and OPC’s), but there is also some very corrupt ones that are doing anything they can to secure THAT car.

[throt]

Well whatever consumers think about the OPC's they can't win either way if you think about it. The majority of interested GT buyers will not get one. I was told the interest list went up in to the 100's at one OPC. Imagine being a salesman getting your ear bent all the time on the phone..