991.2 Turbo S upgrades?
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Just read the Evo review of the GT2 RS...this sentence made me think of this thread
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/20309/new-porsche...
Driven hard the RS is an experience verging on the narcotic, but of course, opportunities to drive the car in such a manner are almost non-existent in reality, and that’s why it’s a shame - however clever from an engineering perspective its everyday usability is - that the RS isn’t more of an ‘event’ at more realistic speeds.
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/20309/new-porsche...
Driven hard the RS is an experience verging on the narcotic, but of course, opportunities to drive the car in such a manner are almost non-existent in reality, and that’s why it’s a shame - however clever from an engineering perspective its everyday usability is - that the RS isn’t more of an ‘event’ at more realistic speeds.
PaulDav said:
TECH9 have misquoted me... £31k for the T2.1
Makes a big difference on the decision!
Ask for a demo first Paul. 60PS in a 1600-1700kgs car with driver etc isn't going to make a huge difference. You'd get 30PS through midrange just sticking a Akrapovic or Europipe aftermarket exhaust on and better noise for £4K upwards. I'm amazed you don't find it fast enough lol or exciting. Getting me worried!Makes a big difference on the decision!
PaulDav said:
TECH9 have misquoted me... £31k for the T2.1
Makes a big difference on the decision!
I went direct to TechArt for some bodywork changes and they were cheaper than UK dealer. Cost difference may have changed with £/€. Dealers do not have exclusive rights and it is often worth going to manufacturer for unique work (not necessary to take car to Germany for everything)Makes a big difference on the decision!
I have a 991.1 Turbo S and if I were to invest in mods it wouldn't be directed at more power. I think the car could do with a bit of a sharper turn in and less understeer. If there were suspension mods that could achieve this thats were my money would be going.
Unless you're intending to drag race the car at events I can't see how more power is going to add much more to this car when driving on public highways.
Imho!
Unless you're intending to drag race the car at events I can't see how more power is going to add much more to this car when driving on public highways.
Imho!
The guys at Tech9 have been brilliant in providing everything I need to make my decision. I have to say they are a really professional outfit.
I have decided to go with the T1.1 and exhaust upgrade. Getting it fitted in a couple of weeks once my first service is completed by Porsche.
I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks for everyones help.
Paul
I have decided to go with the T1.1 and exhaust upgrade. Getting it fitted in a couple of weeks once my first service is completed by Porsche.
I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks for everyones help.
Paul
So did bit of desktop research on this topic. Seems some piggy back modules aren't that reliable. They work by telling the ECU for example that its not making enough boost and then the ECU compensates. Quite a few stories of cels and cars going into limp mode etc.
Its Techart and TUV approved so hopefully you won't have the same issues as other people have had. Quite a few tuners using piggy back for 991.2. I'm surprised that there aren't more tuning solutions out there for the 991.2 turbo S. Porsche seem to have made the ECU very difficult to crack as they have been out 18 months now.
Its Techart and TUV approved so hopefully you won't have the same issues as other people have had. Quite a few tuners using piggy back for 991.2. I'm surprised that there aren't more tuning solutions out there for the 991.2 turbo S. Porsche seem to have made the ECU very difficult to crack as they have been out 18 months now.
PaulDav said:
The guys at Tech9 have been brilliant in providing everything I need to make my decision. I have to say they are a really professional outfit.
I have decided to go with the T1.1 and exhaust upgrade. Getting it fitted in a couple of weeks once my first service is completed by Porsche.
I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks for everyones help.
Paul
That would be my choice too, better for a UK road car than T2.1 Are you getting the Techart exhaust too?I have decided to go with the T1.1 and exhaust upgrade. Getting it fitted in a couple of weeks once my first service is completed by Porsche.
I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks for everyones help.
Paul
Please keep us posted on your experience with T9, I may take the leap as well
Desert Dragon said:
So did bit of desktop research on this topic. Seems some piggy back modules aren't that reliable. They work by telling the ECU for example that its not making enough boost and then the ECU compensates. Quite a few stories of cels and cars going into limp mode etc.
Its Techart and TUV approved so hopefully you won't have the same issues as other people have had. Quite a few tuners using piggy back for 991.2. I'm surprised that there aren't more tuning solutions out there for the 991.2 turbo S. Porsche seem to have made the ECU very difficult to crack as they have been out 18 months now.
Can't find any of those stories about reputable tuners. I'd rather have Techart working on my car than any gifted amateur fiddling about reprogramming my ECU. You deserve what you get with a back street job. Its Techart and TUV approved so hopefully you won't have the same issues as other people have had. Quite a few tuners using piggy back for 991.2. I'm surprised that there aren't more tuning solutions out there for the 991.2 turbo S. Porsche seem to have made the ECU very difficult to crack as they have been out 18 months now.
Desert Dragon said:
So did bit of desktop research on this topic. Seems some piggy back modules aren't that reliable. They work by telling the ECU for example that its not making enough boost and then the ECU compensates. Quite a few stories of cels and cars going into limp mode etc.
Its Techart and TUV approved so hopefully you won't have the same issues as other people have had. Quite a few tuners using piggy back for 991.2. I'm surprised that there aren't more tuning solutions out there for the 991.2 turbo S. Porsche seem to have made the ECU very difficult to crack as they have been out 18 months now.
The ECU was broken finally end of last week. There will be a lot of offerings on the table soon. Its Techart and TUV approved so hopefully you won't have the same issues as other people have had. Quite a few tuners using piggy back for 991.2. I'm surprised that there aren't more tuning solutions out there for the 991.2 turbo S. Porsche seem to have made the ECU very difficult to crack as they have been out 18 months now.
I asked because I believe your 996/997 modifications have generally been extensive with different turbos and strengthened gearbox/clutch.
BGB in Florida upgraded a Turbo in June with custom tuned ECU from Ehresmann but they have high level PIWIS enabling direct remapping. They did not upgrade any internals nor turbos, just exhaust, manifolds and plenum.
Can you say what you understand to be the torque limit of the 991.2 Turbo S PDK box?
BGB in Florida upgraded a Turbo in June with custom tuned ECU from Ehresmann but they have high level PIWIS enabling direct remapping. They did not upgrade any internals nor turbos, just exhaust, manifolds and plenum.
Can you say what you understand to be the torque limit of the 991.2 Turbo S PDK box?
gtsralph said:
I asked because I believe your 996/997 modifications have generally been extensive with different turbos and strengthened gearbox/clutch.
BGB in Florida upgraded a Turbo in June with custom tuned ECU from Ehresmann but they have high level PIWIS enabling direct remapping. They did not upgrade any internals nor turbos, just exhaust, manifolds and plenum.
Can you say what you understand to be the torque limit of the 991.2 Turbo S PDK box?
BGB in Florida upgraded a Turbo in June with custom tuned ECU from Ehresmann but they have high level PIWIS enabling direct remapping. They did not upgrade any internals nor turbos, just exhaust, manifolds and plenum.
Can you say what you understand to be the torque limit of the 991.2 Turbo S PDK box?
The BGB is not tuning the original ECU - it is a replacement. We are referring to being able to read and write back to the original ECU without using any other ECU or piggback solutions - that is how it has been done for years and years.
We have been doing 991.1 mapping for quite some time with exhaust, tune and potentially intake. That gives you all you need, which was the same for 997.2 cars, they just don't need different turbos or gearbox changes/upgrades since the turbos are a variant of RS ones.
I cannot tell you the absolute limit of the PDK box because there is both hardware and software - it is possible to increase in the software the allowed limits - personally don't do this because it just means that hardware will wear quicker. I have several 991.1 cars with thousands of hard miles on running approx 620whp without any PDK issues - that means no increase in software limits. I suspect the limit will be higher but only time will tell.
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