991.2 GT3 RS - Here it is
Discussion
Cheib said:
I wonder how much of the cars performance envelope (in terms of exploiting the chassis/handling) your average enthusiast owner uses? I suppose the answer to that is I wonder what said enthusiast owner could take it round the 'ring in ?
Anyone know what good drivers lap the ring in say a 991.1 GT3 RS vs the official Porsche lap time ?
Let's just say I don't think any customer car is going to be doing regular btg laps below 7mins (roughly equivalent to the factory 7:20). But one can't really compare what a factory car out to set a fast laptime can do with a pro driver vs an owner on a trackday either.Anyone know what good drivers lap the ring in say a 991.1 GT3 RS vs the official Porsche lap time ?
Porsche911R said:
Savage. Really is a work of art to see the driver pushing it.One thing I don't quite understand; why does the car seem to 'top out' at 289kmh on the Dottinger Hohe (final, long straight)?
My old 996 turbo had an indicated 165mph and it was wet, so corner and exit speed was not great. Which I guess is an indication of how and where the turbo boost really comes to the fore.
Subjectively, spectating from the Devil's Diner at DN track days, it was always the white, (Swedish registered IIRC) 997 GT2 RS that looked to be one of the very fastest on that straight.
Subjectively, spectating from the Devil's Diner at DN track days, it was always the white, (Swedish registered IIRC) 997 GT2 RS that looked to be one of the very fastest on that straight.
Porsche911R said:
yep a Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R has to give a few seconds, but 24 seconds over a 991 RS is mighty.
I still think the 7:12 on the normal GT3 is mighty and was on normal Cup 2's to beat the 991 RS.
Agreed, huge result. Would be very interesting to get an idea of how the 24 sec improvement was generated ie tyres, torque, power etc I still think the 7:12 on the normal GT3 is mighty and was on normal Cup 2's to beat the 991 RS.
The lap tmes for the 991.1 RS were compromised due to thrack conditions and repairs so we are not comparing apples with apples. Bit that does not take from this 6.56.4.
I'd say the improvement apart form track conditions are: ( and not in any particular order)
New engine
Suspension changes
Aero changes
Tyres
Drivers
For some reason I feel Porsche have gone more all out this time on the effort to better times, more so than for the 991.1 RS. And more publicity and marketing of it.
I'd say the improvement apart form track conditions are: ( and not in any particular order)
New engine
Suspension changes
Aero changes
Tyres
Drivers
For some reason I feel Porsche have gone more all out this time on the effort to better times, more so than for the 991.1 RS. And more publicity and marketing of it.
Not sure why the .1rs time is now thought not to be representative, at the time everyone thought it was bloody quick. Sportauto laps had the rs to gt3 gap broadly in line with the factory. If the lap could be faster it probably would not have been by a lot.
The new CupR tyre is by far the biggest factor in this (quite extraordinary) time I think.
The new CupR tyre is by far the biggest factor in this (quite extraordinary) time I think.
hunter 66 said:
Possibly more the suspension changes to optimise the Cup R tyres ... as are similar to GT2RS in spring rates etc . The R will be available as well , " from your local Tyre merchant " ...now
Yes there's no doubt the suspension changes have helped but the order they would do so is still going to be insignificant or at least far less vs the tyre.
That tyre gained 2s as I said before on a 90 second lap. It's got to be worth a (very) large part of that improvement over the gen1 or the .2gt3. Add in the fact the track definitely is faster now vs the .1rs time....the improvement in the .2 is definitely there but also on a much more believable scale imo.
I have to say I’m more impressed with this time over the 180hp extra GT2-RS, can clearly see that the driver did make a few mistakes going in hot, a fair amount of understeer on corner exit also, however blimey..... what a lap!! Looks a right handful now which is what I missed over my previous .1RS! Can’t actually now wait for the car to arrive. Stoked to say the least..!
From the footage the car has very good turn in. He carries a lot of speed into the the corner sometimes he does it on an open diff which is interesting - but there’s a lot going on the the vectoring so maybe it’s not fully open. More like a mid engined style than a rear engined. Sometimes he’s still trailing like you would in classic 911 style. Very interesting footage. Looks a really nice car to drive. I can’t see much time coming from geometry changes. Most will come from tyres, diff and maybe the RWS map.
Steve Rance said:
From the footage the car has very good turn in. He carries a lot of speed into the the corner sometimes he does it on an open diff which is interesting - but there’s a lot going on the the vectoring so maybe it’s not fully open. More like a mid engined style than a rear engined. Sometimes he’s still trailing like you would in classic 911 style. Very interesting footage. Looks a really nice car to drive. I can’t see much time coming from geometry changes. Most will come from tyres, diff and maybe the RWS map.
Be nice to see him in the manual car, people are saying the PDK with ediff does not drive like a 911 now hence the mid engine style, where the manual car with a normal diff does feel more adjusable and old school to pilot and far harder to get a lap time out of.Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff