Decisions, decisions ...

[RT964]

I'm in the process of moving on from my M4 Comp Pack and thinking about getting into a Carrera GTS (2 or 4). Would ideally like a GT3, but not sure how that would work as a semi-daily (I'd only do about 4000 miles a year in the car as my RRS takes the brunt of the mileage).

I need to go and drive a few options to help make my choice between either a 991.1 or 991.2 (or the GT3 😉) - there seems to be about £15k difference between the 2 GTS models (given the assumption of consistent-ish spec between cars) at the moment, so is it worth the extra money and going for the turbo'd 3.0 over the NA 3.8 ?

Be interested to hear from people that have had/tried both .1 and .2 models on their experiences, both positive and negative, of the cars.

[franki68]

both are great,but coming from an m4 you will really notice the lack of torque in the gen 1,it really needs a lot of revs.
Personally I preferred the gen 2 ,improved steering,better pdk ,felt sharper with the rws,faster etc but there is no wrong decision the gen 1 will in later years be more desirable due to the n/a engine so will probably hold its value better.

[RT964]

Thanks for the insight. I suspect that the gen 2 will be a closer engine experience to the M4 due to the additional torque shove of the turbo's, however there is also an appeal to the "purity" of a naturally aspirated engine. And I will also admit to not always enjoying the way the M4 drives, as it comes across as a bit cack-handed on occasion, particularly when you are pushing on - a gear change at the redline and WOT in sport/sport plus mode can get the yellow "naughty boy" light on the dash flashing even going from 3rd to 4th (and 4th to 5th if it is slightly damp) ...

I also recently had an extended test drive in a 718 Boxster S PDK and was blown away by how well it drove and enjoyed the sounds it was making as well. I'd previously had experience of a 3.4 Boxster S PDK and driving the 718 didn't make me yearn for the previous engine noise. I've also got a 30 year 964 which has been de-catted, so I can always get my NA kicks there !

What I need to do is find a friendly OPC and drive them back to back. Suspect this week will be out though, given the impending snow. Be interested to see if I can feel a difference with the RWS trick chassis option too.

[Porsche911R]

RT964 said:

Thanks for the insight. I suspect that the gen 2 will be a closer engine experience to the M4 due to the additional torque shove of the turbo's, however there is also an appeal to the "purity" of a naturally aspirated engine. And I will also admit to not always enjoying the way the M4 drives, as it comes across as a bit cack-handed on occasion, particularly when you are pushing on - a gear change at the redline and WOT in sport/sport plus mode can get the yellow "naughty boy" light on the dash flashing even going from 3rd to 4th (and 4th to 5th if it is slightly damp) ...

I also recently had an extended test drive in a 718 Boxster S PDK and was blown away by how well it drove and enjoyed the sounds it was making as well. I'd previously had experience of a 3.4 Boxster S PDK and driving the 718 didn't make me yearn for the previous engine noise. I've also got a 30 year 964 which has been de-catted, so I can always get my NA kicks there !

What I need to do is find a friendly OPC and drive them back to back. Suspect this week will be out though, given the impending snow. Be interested to see if I can feel a difference with the RWS trick chassis option too.

DTM is 991.2 GTS money though :-)

I think the 1st thing you will notice is under steer and gen 1 EPS steering, The M4 esp the DTM with 265 fronts don't understeer , 911's do, and as you have noticed to get over steer in an M4 is easy in a 991 they have a load of grip.

gen 2 GTS as I say is DTM money and the DTM is special imo

R8 RWS is also worth a look again the same price but >500bhp and 2 wd

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 26th February 16:52

[TDT]

RT964 said:

I've also got a 30 year 964 which has been de-catted, so I can always get my NA kicks there !

Get the gen2 - and enjoy it as a top-drawer daily.... it is better than the Gen1 for everything you seem to want.
The Gen1 has NA going for it - but coming from the M4 and liking the 718 power delivery - the Gen2 will be more like what you're after and you'll be less likely to be driving around thinking what if, or shoulda, woulda, coulda.
The 964 will deliver all your purist cravings. The End.

[RT964]

Porsche911R said:

DTM is 991.2 GTS money though :-)

I think the 1st thing you will notice is under steer and gen 1 EPS steering, The M4 esp the DTM with 265 fronts don't understeer , 911's do, and as you have noticed to get over steer in an M4 is easy in a 991 they have a load of grip.

gen 2 GTS as I say is DTM money and the DTM is special imo

R8 RWS is also worth a look again the same price but >500bhp and 2 wd

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 26th February 16:52

Hmmm, think I have ticked the M4 shaped box on my bucket list with my current comp pack - the DTM doesn't do it for me, just feels like it's trying to be something it's not, although I've never driven one so am going based purely on looks.

I have taken a look at the R8 V10 plus, but it didn't feel any more special to be in than the RS4 that was sat next to it (also the fact that the one in the showroom was £150k plus compared to the 2 on the forecourt under 6 months old and sub 1000 miles that were £30k cheaper puts me off - let someone else jump on to that particular falling girder !!).

Think it's back to the 911 fold for me (although I do have a small corner of my mind that keeps muttering "McLaren" ). Had a wander around the Reading dealership after the Boxster test drive and got to see some of the very nice cars they have hanging around the back ... although the 918 was special, the GT2 RS just made the 8 year old boy in me whoop with delight

[RT964]

TDT said:

Get the gen2 - and enjoy it as a top-drawer daily.... it is better than the Gen1 for everything you seem to want.
The Gen1 has NA going for it - but coming from the M4 and liking the 718 power delivery - the Gen2 will be more like what you're after and you'll be less likely to be driving around thinking what if, or shoulda, woulda, coulda.
The 964 will deliver all your purist cravings. The End.

Mic drop ?!

Mind you, do we ever stop with the coulda, woulda, shoulda ???

[TDT]

[Porsche911R]

RT964 said:

Hmmm, think I have ticked the M4 shaped box on my bucket list with my current comp pack - the DTM doesn't do it for me, just feels like it's trying to be something it's not, although I've never driven one so am going based purely on looks.

I have taken a look at the R8 V10 plus, but it didn't feel any more special to be in than the RS4 that was sat next to it (also the fact that the one in the showroom was £150k plus compared to the 2 on the forecourt under 6 months old and sub 1000 miles that were £30k cheaper puts me off - let someone else jump on to that particular falling girder !!).

Think it's back to the 911 fold for me (although I do have a small corner of my mind that keeps muttering "McLaren" ). Had a wander around the Reading dealership after the Boxster test drive and got to see some of the very nice cars they have hanging around the back ... although the 918 was special, the GT2 RS just made the 8 year old boy in me whoop with delight

The R8 wrs does not feel any more special than aRS4 !

You are getting a 2wd v10 super car. Got to say prob lose less than a speced up gen 2 GTS also,

[seawise]

RT964 said:

I'm in the process of moving on from my M4 Comp Pack and thinking about getting into a Carrera GTS (2 or 4). Would ideally like a GT3, but not sure how that would work as a semi-daily (I'd only do about 4000 miles a year in the car as my RRS takes the brunt of .....cars.

Errr, do you need rear seats ? If not i would urge you to try a GT3. The latest 991.1 and current .2 GT3’s would make a perfect daily especially if you aren’t doing lots of short dull runs, sounds like it wouldn’t give u also have a RRS.

[throt]

My choice, a 991 GT3.1. On purchase, a 10 yr from first reg warranty should be given, so around 6 1/2 yr peace of mind...

Can easily be used as a daily too..

[RT964]

Porsche911R said:

The R8 wrs does not feel any more special than aRS4 !

You are getting a 2wd v10 super car. Got to say prob lose less than a speced up gen 2 GTS also,

Sorry, not driven either, just sat in them in the showroom, and that was enough to know it wasn’t for me, so I didn’t bother wasting the salesperson’s time asking for a test drive.

[IREvans]

RT964 said:

I'm in the process of moving on from my M4 Comp Pack and thinking about getting into a Carrera GTS (2 or 4). Would ideally like a GT3, but not sure how that would work as a semi-daily (I'd only do about 4000 miles a year in the car as my RRS takes the brunt of the mileage).

I need to go and drive a few options to help make my choice between either a 991.1 or 991.2 (or the GT3 ??) - there seems to be about £15k difference between the 2 GTS models (given the assumption of consistent-ish spec between cars) at the moment, so is it worth the extra money and going for the turbo'd 3.0 over the NA 3.8 ?

Be interested to hear from people that have had/tried both .1 and .2 models on their experiences, both positive and negative, of the cars.

I've owned a 991.1 GT3, and now have a 991.2 GT3, both are clubsport spec with buckets and ceramics. They are actually very similar in character, with the gen 2 car just more finely tuned as far as chassis damping is concerned, and the latest engine is a little more torquey. It does make the gen 1 GT3 look great value for money though.

I've also had a 991.1 GTS, and recently sold a 991.2 GTS. Here, the difference between both cars is more significant. The gen 2 car has a much more compliant chassis, and the engine is fantastic. The option of RWS also makes a significant difference (to me at least). I absolutely loved the gen 2 GTS, but the gen 1 car left me a little cold....

As for which car to use as a daily, its a very tough choice between the 991.2 GTS, and either of the GT3s. I'd probably go for the GT3, just because its a little more extreme, and a bit more special, but the 991.2 GTS really is a great car...

[RT964]

seawise said:

Errr, do you need rear seats ? If not i would urge you to try a GT3. The latest 991.1 and current .2 GT3’s would make a perfect daily especially if you aren’t doing lots of short dull runs, sounds like it wouldn’t give u also have a RRS.

I think the back seats in my M4 have been used precisely 4 times in 18 months of ownership, so I’d probably get away with it in the GT3, however I do occasionally need to do some short-ish trips around town when SWMBO is out in “her” Range Rover. Is a GT3 really able to be a daily (head starts doing accelerated man maths !)?

[RT964]

IREvans said:

I've owned a 991.1 GT3, and now have a 991.2 GT3, both are clubsport spec with buckets and ceramics. They are actually very similar in character, with the gen 2 car just more finely tuned as far as chassis damping is concerned, and the latest engine is a little more torquey. It does make the gen 1 GT3 look great value for money though.

I've also had a 991.1 GTS, and recently sold a 991.2 GTS. Here, the difference between both cars is more significant. The gen 2 car has a much more compliant chassis, and the engine is fantastic. The option of RWS also makes a significant difference (to me at least). I absolutely loved the gen 2 GTS, but the gen 1 car left me a little cold....

As for which car to use as a daily, its a very tough choice between the 991.2 GTS, and either of the GT3s. I'd probably go for the GT3, just because its a little more extreme, and a bit more special, but the 991.2 GTS really is a great car...

Thank you, that’s really insightful information on both the GT3 and the GTS models. I’ve been in touch with my local OPC to arrange a test drive of the gen 2 GTS and have a local independent with a GT3 (and a turbo) that I’ll try out once this pesky snow has subsided. I think a GT3 would be great, but my head says that the GTS would be the more sensible option (relatively speaking )

[RT964]

throt said:

My choice, a 991 GT3.1. On purchase, a 10 yr from first reg warranty should be given, so around 6 1/2 yr peace of mind...

Can easily be used as a daily too..

I guess going this route I’d need to find a G spec engined car first, or does that not matter and the warranty covers the car whichever engine it has ? Would probably need a second set of wheels and winter tyres to ensure I could enjoy it through the winter months ?

[IREvans]

RT964 said:

Thank you, that’s really insightful information on both the GT3 and the GTS models. I’ve been in touch with my local OPC to arrange a test drive of the gen 2 GTS and have a local independent with a GT3 (and a turbo) that I’ll try out once this pesky snow has subsided. I think a GT3 would be great, but my head says that the GTS would be the more sensible option (relatively speaking )

You are correct, the GTS would be the most sensible option, but life's too short to be sensible...It's hard to look past the GT3 at similar money to a 991.2 GTS....That noise at 8,800rpm is something else.

Anyway, what do you make of the M4 CP..? I see a few cheap lease deals floating around...I've had an M2, and quite liked that. Wondering if another 100Bhp, and a bit more weight is my kind of thing...?

[throt]

RT964 said:

throt said:

My choice, a 991 GT3.1. On purchase, a 10 yr from first reg warranty should be given, so around 6 1/2 yr peace of mind...

Can easily be used as a daily too..

I guess going this route I’d need to find a G spec engined car first, or does that not matter and the warranty covers the car whichever engine it has ? Would probably need a second set of wheels and winter tyres to ensure I could enjoy it through the winter months ?

10yr whichever engine spec it has...Be a good choice,,, imo...

[RT964]

throt said:

10yr whichever engine spec it has...Be a good choice,,, imo...

Ok, thanks for confirming. Assume it’s a transferable warranty and so I don’t need to buy from an OPC to get this ?

[Taffy66]

I drove both 991.1 GT3 and 991.2 GTS back to back at the PEC last July and found them develop a totally polar opposite character when driven flat out on a circuit..I also owned a 991.2 GTS coupe and now have a 991.2GT3.
In isolation the GTS is impressive on track due to its wonderful torquey engine and agility if its fitted with the must have RAS..Its only when you jump straight into a 991.1GT3 and its immediate sensory overload..The PDKS with its seven close ratios is brutal compared to the still brilliant PDK in the GTS.
Two major shortcomings of the GTS when driven flat out on a track are the standard Pirelli P zeros and steel brakes can't cope with the torque of the engine..The Cup 2's and 380mm steels on the GT3 are in a different league IME on a track..The gen 1 GT3 does suffer from a distinct lack of low to mid range torque compared to the GTS..
The PDKS and glass shattering high pitched scream of the GT3 is irresistible and where i'd put my money.Just make sure you buy a non abused one preferably with the G engine with clubsport.
If i was buying another GTS i'd spec folding buckets and PCCBs and try the optional Pirelli Corsas..Now that would be a proper weapon..

PS I derive great pleasure on spending other people's money..