991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
blackmamba said:
I think as long as you allow for any perceived impact on value due to seats, dash, miles etc in the price then I wouldn't discount it. Good negotiating position and £20-30k is a good allowance to play with.
Or hold out for a fully spec’d car with low miles that you will be worried about driving!
I agree I would rather buy a car with 10k miles and save £15k, buying a car with only 3k miles makes you think if you use it you loose £15k that's one expensive euro hoon.Or hold out for a fully spec’d car with low miles that you will be worried about driving!
Having said that RSVP’s point is an excellent one: I am looking at the “for sale” prices, rather than the actual selling prices, so maybe the £20k price differential between low>higher mileage cars is not entirely accurate.... If it is though— I would defo rather save the £20k, and hoon around in my car WHENEVER I wanted.....
I think some of you are missing the point re higher miles - yes, you're buying a brilliant car, but as I'm doing with my Cayman R search, you have to think a little differently with a low volume car.
For example, when I buy my Porsche (childhood dream), I want it to be as perfect as possible, that's to say, looked after and pampered as I will look after it (that does not mean it'll be a garage queen). But (not being a millionaire like some on here), I have to keep an eye on residuals. £50k+ is a huge amount of money to me, I can't afford to lose £20k. Well, I suppose I could, but it wouldn't be nice.
Sooooo, to the point...
I'm aiming to put circa 20k miles on it over several years (by which time a GT3 would be on the cards).
If I bought one with 15-25k miles (as is looking likely), what'll that be worth with another 20k on it? Probably still reasonable.
If I bought one with 40-50k miles, and then put 20k on it, it'd be almost impossible to sell without taking a huge financial hit...
That's my thoughts anyway.
Still, mute point at the moment as no-one is selling...
;)
If you can afford an RS of any flavour, may I suggest you get one sooner rather than later as they're stunning machines!
For example, when I buy my Porsche (childhood dream), I want it to be as perfect as possible, that's to say, looked after and pampered as I will look after it (that does not mean it'll be a garage queen). But (not being a millionaire like some on here), I have to keep an eye on residuals. £50k+ is a huge amount of money to me, I can't afford to lose £20k. Well, I suppose I could, but it wouldn't be nice.
Sooooo, to the point...
I'm aiming to put circa 20k miles on it over several years (by which time a GT3 would be on the cards).
If I bought one with 15-25k miles (as is looking likely), what'll that be worth with another 20k on it? Probably still reasonable.
If I bought one with 40-50k miles, and then put 20k on it, it'd be almost impossible to sell without taking a huge financial hit...
That's my thoughts anyway.
Still, mute point at the moment as no-one is selling...
;)If you can afford an RS of any flavour, may I suggest you get one sooner rather than later as they're stunning machines!
xbowdan said:
OP; did you buy a RS in the end? In a similar position myself, just wondered what you ended up doing?
Hi....!! Nope— I’m now seriously considering (yep, I am that crazy....!!), paying stupid overs for a manual 991.2 GT3....My problem always was that I LOVE my manual Porsches: from my first 986 Boxster, then 987 Cayman, then 987.2 Spyder (bloody amazing car), and now my current GT4....!! I drive more on road than track (70:30 atm), so the sheer speed of a PDK gear change isn’t essential to me.... And I feel it lacks the “involvement/interaction” of a simple manual box... Even on track, as a relative track amateur, I’m still not sure it would make a huge difference to my lap times...!! And may well not be as much fun as a manual car even so...
I’ve driven a few 991.1 3RSs, and I do love them: the “bags of nails” engine and the sheer aggression of the motor is addictive.... But..... I still prefer a manual box and, at £180k, it’s got to be the “right” choice, with no reservations....!!
I’ve recently driven a mate’s manual 991.2 GT3 and, I’ve got to say, I LOVE it...!! It shifts just as well as the GT4, with shorter gearing: fantastic box..... However, is it worth £100k more (with the stupid overs) than a GT4.....?? I’m not so sure tbh.... But I’m tempted....
So, it’s either take the plunge and accept the overs market for what it is, or wait for the prices on the manual Gen2s to fall..... In the mean time, I’m more than happy with my GT4, and it STILL brings a smile to my face every time I drive it... The 991.1 3RS is a bloody brilliant machine though and, if a full on track-rat, I would say the better way to spend £180k of your hard earned cash than the Gen2 GT3....!!
Good luck in what you decide to do....
Swimfinz said:
Hi....!! Nope— I’m now seriously considering (yep, I am that crazy....!!), paying stupid overs for a manual 991.2 GT3....
My problem always was that I LOVE my manual Porsches: from my first 986 Boxster, then 987 Cayman, then 987.2 Spyder (bloody amazing car), and now my current GT4....!! I drive more on road than track (70:30 atm), so the sheer speed of a PDK gear change isn’t essential to me.... And I feel it lacks the “involvement/interaction” of a simple manual box... Even on track, as a relative track amateur, I’m still not sure it would make a huge difference to my lap times...!! And may well not be as much fun as a manual car even so...
I’ve driven a few 991.1 3RSs, and I do love them: the “bags of nails” engine and the sheer aggression of the motor is addictive.... But..... I still prefer a manual box and, at £180k, it’s got to be the “right” choice, with no reservations....!!
I’ve recently driven a mate’s manual 991.2 GT3 and, I’ve got to say, I LOVE it...!! It shifts just as well as the GT4, with shorter gearing: fantastic box..... However, is it worth £100k more (with the stupid overs) than a GT4.....?? I’m not so sure tbh.... But I’m tempted.... So, it’s either take the plunge and accept the overs market for what it is, or wait for the prices on the manual Gen2s to fall..... In the mean time, I’m more than happy with my GT4, and it STILL brings a smile to my face every time I drive it...
The 991.1 3RS is a bloody brilliant machine though and, if a full on track-rat, I would say the better way to spend £180k of your hard earned cash than the Gen2 GT3....!!
Good luck in what you decide to do....
The manual GT3 does fix the 5 things which bugged me with the GT4.My problem always was that I LOVE my manual Porsches: from my first 986 Boxster, then 987 Cayman, then 987.2 Spyder (bloody amazing car), and now my current GT4....!! I drive more on road than track (70:30 atm), so the sheer speed of a PDK gear change isn’t essential to me.... And I feel it lacks the “involvement/interaction” of a simple manual box... Even on track, as a relative track amateur, I’m still not sure it would make a huge difference to my lap times...!! And may well not be as much fun as a manual car even so...
I’ve driven a few 991.1 3RSs, and I do love them: the “bags of nails” engine and the sheer aggression of the motor is addictive.... But..... I still prefer a manual box and, at £180k, it’s got to be the “right” choice, with no reservations....!!
I’ve recently driven a mate’s manual 991.2 GT3 and, I’ve got to say, I LOVE it...!! It shifts just as well as the GT4, with shorter gearing: fantastic box..... However, is it worth £100k more (with the stupid overs) than a GT4.....?? I’m not so sure tbh.... But I’m tempted....
So, it’s either take the plunge and accept the overs market for what it is, or wait for the prices on the manual Gen2s to fall..... In the mean time, I’m more than happy with my GT4, and it STILL brings a smile to my face every time I drive it... The 991.1 3RS is a bloody brilliant machine though and, if a full on track-rat, I would say the better way to spend £180k of your hard earned cash than the Gen2 GT3....!!
Good luck in what you decide to do....
But it's a bit much as a road car to exploit in full and at the overs price one can buy some very nice toys. My head is torn atm. It is the modern 997 RS 4.0 though and they are £500k !
Crackedwinscreen said:
Manuals aside, the 991.1 GT3 RS has to be the sweet spot and over £100k less than a .2 GT3 RS is a relative bargain. What will the differential between the two in years to come be, £20 - £30k? (WP cars excluded)
Agree 100%.... If I wasn’t so desperate for a manual, I’d be all over the 991.1 3RS right now.... Prices seem to be stabilising atm, so probs a good time to take the plunge.... Porsche911R said:
The manual GT3 does fix the 5 things which bugged me with the GT4.
But it's a bit much as a road car to exploit in full and at the overs price one can buy some very nice toys. My head is torn atm. It is the modern 997 RS 4.0 though and they are £500k !
Let me know if you decide against your manual GT3, and are willing to move it on at a “reasonable” price (ie. NOT £50k overs....!!) But it's a bit much as a road car to exploit in full and at the overs price one can buy some very nice toys. My head is torn atm. It is the modern 997 RS 4.0 though and they are £500k !
Crackedwinscreen said:
Manuals aside, the 991.1 GT3 RS has to be the sweet spot and over £100k less than a .2 GT3 RS is a relative bargain. What will the differential between the two in years to come be, £20 - £30k? (WP cars excluded)
I’d say £30k absolute minimum. Look at 997.1 and .2...there are big price differentials. 
Crackedwinscreen said:
However good the GT3 is, it is simply not an RS. Those two extra letters add up to more than the sum of the parts.
Not these days as cars get better with tech the new GT3 is a better car than the old RS in quite a few area,s and the engines are night and day apart.Older cars are what they are, modern cars are pushing into crazy places, look at the new RS tech now over the old RS , the old one feels out classed by quite a margin.
Also Look at the 675lt it was a tech fest and ultra fast the basic 720s makes it look daft.
We are in a funny place with tech imo, all the older cars which are more involving ended in 2011, any car after that is just getting better and better, also gen 1 tech always feels dated when gen 2's come out. Gen 1 PCCB, gen 1 PDK, gen 1 RWS, gen 1 EPS all now feel a bit dated and date the cars in a bad way.
m88ony said:
Same situation for me. I’m thinking gen 1 RS is the better buy for track.
How do you get to that, only reason to buy would be for the looks imo or getting £190k for a GT3 to buy an RS at £160k just for posing in :-) and a bit of cash to fund a few track days.You really need to have a go in a new car on track you won't think the same after. Goodness knows what the new RS is like on track.
For me it's a manual buy though so no choices bar going back in time to a 2011 RS.
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 3rd June 13:30
Porsche911R said:
How do you get to that, only reason to buy would be for the looks imo or getting £190k for a GT3 to buy an RS at £160k just for posing in :-) and a bit of cash to fund a few track days.
You really need to have a go in a new car on track you won't think 5e same after.goodness knows what the new RS is like on track.
For me it's a manual buy though so no choices bar going back in time to a 2011 RS.
Again only to you. For me on track it’s only PDK. You really need to have a go in a new car on track you won't think 5e same after.goodness knows what the new RS is like on track.
For me it's a manual buy though so no choices bar going back in time to a 2011 RS.
That’s just my opinion.
Porsche911R said:
For me it's a manual buy though so no choices bar going back in time to a 2011 RS.
LOL— Reading your posts is a continual re-iteration of my own bloody dilemma....!! Modern tech manual Gen2 GT3, or outdated tech 997.2 GT3-RS.... Arghhh....!!If only I could learn to love PDK, my options would be sooooo much greater....!!
Edited by Swimfinz on Sunday 3rd June 12:55
Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff