991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??
Discussion
In my admittedly varied ownership of cars, my experience is that the more technological advanced cars get, the less involving and exciting they get. This only applies to driving on public highways at semi-sane speeds...Its an unfortunate side effect of car makers quest of ever improving Ring lap times..
These new GT Porsches are so adept that its highly irresponsible to even approach their limits on public roads.This is as much about keeping an eye out for other less wary drivers and their somewhat unpredictable maneuvers
With regards to accusing RSVP of denigrating cars for the sake of justifying his present car stable....what utter tosh...! IMO he's one of the most constructive, unbiased and purely objective contributors on P'heads..
These new GT Porsches are so adept that its highly irresponsible to even approach their limits on public roads.This is as much about keeping an eye out for other less wary drivers and their somewhat unpredictable maneuvers
With regards to accusing RSVP of denigrating cars for the sake of justifying his present car stable....what utter tosh...! IMO he's one of the most constructive, unbiased and purely objective contributors on P'heads..
Digga said:
s2000db said:
Digga said:
s2000db said:
Can someone tell me what makes this a better car at £275K, than say a 720S or a Performante please?
Can you tell me why, if you go to a track day at the Nurburging, there are so man GT3s and RSs (of all generations, and BMW M cars, Renault RS etc.) very, very few McLarens and hardly ever a Lamborghini? Or why three near identical Performantes turned up (just to spectate) at the Porsche RS track day at Oulton Park in March?So what’s your take on it then?
A mate is a long term Lotus Elise fan, just got a new 'S'. He's recently also got a 650s. He says if push came to shove, it's the Elise that he'd keep, even though he loves the tech and occasion of the McLaren and uses it as much as possible. He says the 650 just wants to go fast, and most definitely can, whereas the Elise you drive - get the performance from it, feel the grip and handling, wring the best from the engine - and are more involved with.
Those dicks in the car park of our rs day said it all about there driving skills having rev offs in the car park,while we had noise limits to stick to.
The maca turn in and feel through the steering wheel esp in the lt has no equal for money.
Come and devalue your cars some more at donnington noisey day tomorrow,some tasty cars to be there,the sepang 24 hr 997 rsr is haveing its first outing in the uk tomorow
Exactly as said below GT3 and the likes of Macca Ferrari now all insanely quick and with ease, Scooby Dooby Do hang on hold tight and be ready to get fully involved. All are good in very different ways, Old School New School, they share a garage respectful of each others era! Which is more fun? Personally I don’t measure it that way and enjoy each for being very different!
Taffy66 said:
In my admittedly varied ownership of cars, my experience is that the more technological advanced cars get, the less involving and exciting they get. This only applies to driving on public highways at semi-sane speeds...Its an unfortunate side effect of car makers quest of ever improving Ring lap times..
These new GT Porsches are so adept that its highly irresponsible to even approach their limits on public roads.This is as much about keeping an eye out for other less wary drivers and their somewhat unpredictable maneuvers
With regards to accusing RSVP of denigrating cars for the sake of justifying his present car stable....what utter tosh...! IMO he's one of the most constructive, unbiased and purely objective contributors on P'heads..
These new GT Porsches are so adept that its highly irresponsible to even approach their limits on public roads.This is as much about keeping an eye out for other less wary drivers and their somewhat unpredictable maneuvers
With regards to accusing RSVP of denigrating cars for the sake of justifying his present car stable....what utter tosh...! IMO he's one of the most constructive, unbiased and purely objective contributors on P'heads..
Edited by Juno on Monday 23 July 11:29
GT4RS said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Prices still seem to be dropping on these, I wonder where they will bottom out.
My guess is a usable one with around 7k on the clock will be up for sake for around £130k private sale in less than two years time.
The two lhd cars with similar miles have been for sale around the £150k matk most of the year. Clearly very little demand for lhd at this price point.
Anyone know what the trade bids are on a usable rhd car at the moment?
the 991 lhd gt3/rs cars are priced awfully, you can have a rhd car for just a few k morePrices still seem to be dropping on these, I wonder where they will bottom out.
My guess is a usable one with around 7k on the clock will be up for sake for around £130k private sale in less than two years time.
The two lhd cars with similar miles have been for sale around the £150k matk most of the year. Clearly very little demand for lhd at this price point.
Anyone know what the trade bids are on a usable rhd car at the moment?
Yellow491 said:
Those dicks in the car park of our rs day said it all about there driving skills having rev offs in the car park,while we had noise limits to stick to.
Yellow491 said:
Come and devalue your cars some more at donnington noisey day tomorrow...
Would love to, but can't escape work ATM.WCZ said:
GT4RS said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Prices still seem to be dropping on these, I wonder where they will bottom out.
My guess is a usable one with around 7k on the clock will be up for sake for around £130k private sale in less than two years time.
The two lhd cars with similar miles have been for sale around the £150k matk most of the year. Clearly very little demand for lhd at this price point.
Anyone know what the trade bids are on a usable rhd car at the moment?
the 991 lhd gt3/rs cars are priced awfully, you can have a rhd car for just a few k morePrices still seem to be dropping on these, I wonder where they will bottom out.
My guess is a usable one with around 7k on the clock will be up for sake for around £130k private sale in less than two years time.
The two lhd cars with similar miles have been for sale around the £150k matk most of the year. Clearly very little demand for lhd at this price point.
Anyone know what the trade bids are on a usable rhd car at the moment?
GT4RS said:
Are you really saying a 991 gt3 rs feels a bit dull on the road?
You must be a driving god if a 911 rs feels dull to drive, I’ve never heard so much rubbish. Once you flip your new gt3 you will say it was crap and not as good as your new car ??
Evening, as others have said, I’m assuming, or at least I hope that, you’ve mixed me us with someone else? You must be a driving god if a 911 rs feels dull to drive, I’ve never heard so much rubbish. Once you flip your new gt3 you will say it was crap and not as good as your new car ??
I can guarantee you that I’ve never flipped a car in my life.
My post was constructive, honest and is based on my experience of owning both cars. My view is very simple, IMHO and nothing else, the manual GT3 is more of an event to drive than the 991.1RS as after a while, once you get over the excitement of the speed in the RS and drive it with a bit of respect (to other road users) it can be a bit dull, where as the manual box is the GT3 gives you another dimension that’s entertaining at more sensible speeds. On track it’s different , the RS is the “better” car,but as I spend 90 % of my time driving on public roads the 3 appeals more to me. I even said in my post that the RS was a technical masterpice - I really liked mine , I guess I just prefer the 3.
You are right I didn’t gel with my GT4 - much preferred my 981 Spyder , but that doesn’t make the GT4 a bad car.
I think you’ll also find lots of self deprecating posts about my lack of driving prowess and as such, I don’t think you can accuse me of thinking I’m a driving god - quite the opposite - I firmly believe that every days a schools day. Drivings a hobby to me - I’ve never taken it too seriously & I never will.
Either way thanks for the various other PH posts of support.
Funny place PH sometimes.
Edited by RSVP911 on Monday 23 July 22:02
isaldiri said:
GT4RS said:
I’m not attacking anyone, he changes his mind and puts everyone’s else’s car down because he doesn’t own one. He did the same once he sold his gt4 and he’s doing the same now, he adjusts his position depending on what car he owns.
He even slates the new gt3 touring as he hasn’t got one and it’s the same car as his!
Little concentration at considerable speeds, I wouldn’t fancy being your passenger. The avarage joe cant think fast enough to drive these cars anywhere close to there limits, so I have to disagree with yours and his comments.
I certainly wouldn't want to be your passenger either when you actually seem to have managed to mixed up RSVP911 with Porsche911R. Or I'd like you to actually find any quotes by RSVP slating a touring or 'putting down everyone else's car'.He even slates the new gt3 touring as he hasn’t got one and it’s the same car as his!
Little concentration at considerable speeds, I wouldn’t fancy being your passenger. The avarage joe cant think fast enough to drive these cars anywhere close to there limits, so I have to disagree with yours and his comments.
Or if you actually think anyone is anywhere close to the limits on the road with one of these cars. The whole point is that you're doing those speeds without being anywhere close to the limits so it doesn't particularly take a lot of effort/concentration. The 991s very definitely reflect the modern trend towards making sports cars easier to drive quickly.
Not me, I’m referring to 911r
RSVP911 said:
Evening, as others have said, I’m assuming, or at least I hope that, you’ve mixed me us with someone else?
I can guarantee you that I’ve never flipped a car in my life.
My post was constructive, honest and is based on my experience of owning both cars. My view is very simple, IMHO and nothing else, the manual GT3 is more of an event to drive than the 991.1RS as after a while, once you get over the excitement of the speed in the RS and drive it with a bit of respect (to other road users) it can be a bit dull, where as the manual box is the GT3 gives you another dimension that’s entertaining at more sensible speeds. On track it’s different , the RS is the “better” car,but as I spend 90 % of my time driving on public roads the 3 appeals more to me. I even said in my post that the RS was a technical masterpice - I really liked mine , I guess I just prefer the 3.
You are right I didn’t gel with my GT4 - much preferred my 981 Spyder , but that doesn’t make the GT4 a bad car.
I think you’ll also find lots of self deprecating posts about my lack of driving prowess and as such, I don’t think you can accuse me of thinking I’m a driving god - quite the opposite - I firmly believe that every days a schools day. Drivings a hobby to me - I’ve never taken it too seriously & I never will.
Either way thanks for the various other PH posts of support.
Funny place PH sometimes.
As per my past post, I wasn’t referring to you. I was referring to 911r input into this forum. No need to explain yourself. I can guarantee you that I’ve never flipped a car in my life.
My post was constructive, honest and is based on my experience of owning both cars. My view is very simple, IMHO and nothing else, the manual GT3 is more of an event to drive than the 991.1RS as after a while, once you get over the excitement of the speed in the RS and drive it with a bit of respect (to other road users) it can be a bit dull, where as the manual box is the GT3 gives you another dimension that’s entertaining at more sensible speeds. On track it’s different , the RS is the “better” car,but as I spend 90 % of my time driving on public roads the 3 appeals more to me. I even said in my post that the RS was a technical masterpice - I really liked mine , I guess I just prefer the 3.
You are right I didn’t gel with my GT4 - much preferred my 981 Spyder , but that doesn’t make the GT4 a bad car.
I think you’ll also find lots of self deprecating posts about my lack of driving prowess and as such, I don’t think you can accuse me of thinking I’m a driving god - quite the opposite - I firmly believe that every days a schools day. Drivings a hobby to me - I’ve never taken it too seriously & I never will.
Either way thanks for the various other PH posts of support.
Funny place PH sometimes.
Edited by RSVP911 on Monday 23 July 22:02
I find it odd that certain people adjust there comments depending on what car they have and what they are planning to sell....
Porsche911R said:
I have not flipped a car either lol and my comments don't change.
You just seem to be having a rant for no reason and slagging every one off.
I’m not slagging anyone off my comments were directed at you only. I’m just commenting on your comments which I have noticed you change to suit the car you own at the time. You just seem to be having a rant for no reason and slagging every one off.
Plenty of people own gt4 and 991 gen rs cars yet you have the need to tell everyone how poor they are in certain areas and how great your current car is and how much better it is, all very strange.
I’m not out for a argument, just wanted to point it out.
I’m not here to offend anyone.
I am, RSVP is an awful driver, an embarrassment to the marque. String backed driving gloves and Martini driving tat, simply excentuate this still further 
People will generally eulogise about their latest trinket being the ‘ultimate’, rounding off their dribbling prose with my personal favourite... ‘it’s a keeper’. I know of no bigger lie.
There are a few on here that speak as they find, post quite rarely but what they state is always of value and offer a wholly independent view. We should have them stuffed.
People will generally eulogise about their latest trinket being the ‘ultimate’, rounding off their dribbling prose with my personal favourite... ‘it’s a keeper’. I know of no bigger lie.
There are a few on here that speak as they find, post quite rarely but what they state is always of value and offer a wholly independent view. We should have them stuffed.
Robbo66 said:
I am, RSVP is an awful driver, an embarrassment to the marque. String backed driving gloves and Martini driving tat, simply excentuate this still further
People will generally eulogise about their latest trinket being the ‘ultimate’, rounding off their dribbling prose with my personal favourite... ‘it’s a keeper’. I know of no bigger lie.
There are a few on here that speak as they find, post quite rarely but what they state is always of value and offer a wholly independent view. We should have them stuffed.
Morning - great post , made me smile. People will generally eulogise about their latest trinket being the ‘ultimate’, rounding off their dribbling prose with my personal favourite... ‘it’s a keeper’. I know of no bigger lie.
There are a few on here that speak as they find, post quite rarely but what they state is always of value and offer a wholly independent view. We should have them stuffed.
I have to say though, I’m very happy to say I’m a s
t driver (relative to a few on here) but the Martini thing is unfair : there is nothing wrong with a racing cap , matching gloves and a stripy gilet - some people ....... Re “it’s a keeper” - this too is my fave comment - always cracks a smile from me that one.
Keep well
Edited by RSVP911 on Tuesday 24th July 07:20
GT4RS said:
I’m not slagging anyone off my comments were directed at you only. I’m just commenting on your comments which I have noticed you change to suit the car you own at the time.
Plenty of people own gt4 and 991 gen rs cars yet you have the need to tell everyone how poor they are in certain areas and how great your current car is and how much better it is, all very strange.
I’m not out for a argument, just wanted to point it out.
I’m not here to offend anyone.
you made a mistake and directed the post to "rsvp911" hence you are getting abit of stick :-)Plenty of people own gt4 and 991 gen rs cars yet you have the need to tell everyone how poor they are in certain areas and how great your current car is and how much better it is, all very strange.
I’m not out for a argument, just wanted to point it out.
I’m not here to offend anyone.
I have been 100% honest with my cars ? I even bought a R a few months having getting my GT4 (my dream car on paper) as the R is a better road car and more fun so I bought another, So how can I have changed my view when I sold my R bought a GT4 then straight away bought another R ? I PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH WAS. ALso bought an S1 not long ago it lasted 1 month !!!
not saying any of these cars are bad, I have always said these cars are all great cars and market leading.
I also said the GT4 could be great and will be the modders choice, I would not rule out another but modded, the looks and sound of it were perfect imo.
But I think the GT4 was lacking in some areas and the detune really f
ked about with the engine and mpg, the gearing just saps the life from it also, it is what is it sorry to say, the 991.1 RS seems a bit in no mans land to me now. Does not make them bad cars.what f
ks me off is blinkers owners !! who say black is white. I say black is black when I own the cars and am 1st to point out the down sides when living with them for real.I have driven a lot of cars and own too many to count, and some times a bit of magic gets into a car which elevates it above the norm.
I think the R did that and I thing the 991.2 Manual GT3 does it, hence if I don't like stuff I sell them and if I do like stuff I buy them , even twice !!
OR I mod it, I changed the rear sus after a month in my GT4, warranty or not screw it, it was fixed and pointless on that car and needed changing straight away. Have you done yours ?
I could own a 991.1 GT3 or an RS and they just don't quite hit the spot esp the 991.1 normal GT3, I never got on with that car and to me it never really felt proper GT.
The .1 RS also imo falls short of the RS branding but has the looks in spades, Porsche really are on form atm with the new RS and it makes the old one ... well just outdated and sits some where very hard to sell in the market place at £170k. The new ones moved the game on far more than the looks of them under the skin and spec.
going back to "rsvp" he sold his RS for a normal manual GT3 and backed up what I have said his new cars more involving and fun .
Again a few GT4 owners now own "R's" funny that, ask Chris what his R is like over his GT4.
Porsche don't make bad cars, but some times they do trickle out a special cars. I am not saying the new GT3 is perfect either but it ticks a LOT of box's and offers that some thing extra when driven 99% cars don't.
if you have not driven one then Catchpoles vid really gets it right and sums up the car, take another watch as no one believes any thing I say.
well they do it just takes 5 years and then people catch on :-)
Catchpole reviews point out what makes the car over the 991.1 involvement, EPS and being able to tell what the car is doing on the limit.
I can drive this car at 100% the car gels with you, that's why some owners I lol at when they say the EPS feels the same !!! totally clueless owners ! or they are just bulls
tting then call me names to back up the bullst !!!https://youtu.be/w0d_AZbSLwQ
I could be fake and do reviews which bend the truth ! but as most people do that some people do back me up and enjoy my honest reviews.
Any way watch Catchpole, he nails that review even at the end where he always wants a GT3 but not a 991.1 !!!
He understands cars and is not about Values or bulls
t just wants a car to drive, refreshing.I guess you could email him and tell him he is talking b
ks if you feel that strong about the older model ;-pEdited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 24th July 08:53
Porsche911R said:
Catchpole reviews point out what makes the car over the 991.1 involvement, EPS and being able to tell what the car is doing on the limit.
I can drive this car at 100% the car gels with you, that's why some owners I lol at when they say the EPS feels the same !!! totally clueless owners ! or they are just bullstting then call me names to back up the bullst !!!
I could be fake and do reviews which bend the truth ! but as most people do that some people do back me up and enjoy my honest reviews.
Any way watch Catchpole, he nails that review even at the end where he always wants a GT3 but not a 991.1 !!!
He understands cars and is not about Values or bullst just wants a car to drive, refreshing.
I guess you could email him and tell him he is talking bks if you feel that strong about the older model ;-p
Amusing to see the word of Catchpole being quoted as the gospel just because he is very keen on the latest GT car (coincidentially owned by people convinced it's the best thing since sliced bread too) when he seems to be convinced he can firm up suspension with just the sport button.I can drive this car at 100% the car gels with you, that's why some owners I lol at when they say the EPS feels the same !!! totally clueless owners ! or they are just bulls
tting then call me names to back up the bullst !!!I could be fake and do reviews which bend the truth ! but as most people do that some people do back me up and enjoy my honest reviews.
Any way watch Catchpole, he nails that review even at the end where he always wants a GT3 but not a 991.1 !!!
He understands cars and is not about Values or bulls
t just wants a car to drive, refreshing.I guess you could email him and tell him he is talking b
ks if you feel that strong about the older model ;-pGassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff