991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??
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MDL111 said:
Small manufacturer exception maybe as they produce Fewer than 10k cars? No clue, just a guess
2017 figures are around 246k cars sold. As annoying as it is, I doubt they'd get an exemption for GT products.If it were up to me, as soon as the EU brought forward the WLTP, every single European manufacturer should've clubbed together and said 'No!' and stopped production! This whole CO2 s
t is beyond defensible! Jim1556 said:
MDL111 said:
Small manufacturer exception maybe as they produce Fewer than 10k cars? No clue, just a guess
2017 figures are around 246k cars sold. As annoying as it is, I doubt they'd get an exemption for GT products.If it were up to me, as soon as the EU brought forward the WLTP, every single European manufacturer should've clubbed together and said 'No!' and stopped production! This whole CO2 s
t is beyond defensible! Compared to 10, 20, 30 years ago, modern cars are phenomenally clean!
Can you imagine what'd happen if ALL EU car makers said no? Stop sales on everything past a certain date? The car industry is one of the biggest there is. The EU would st themselves and be forced to capitulate! Teslas, Leafs etc are a waste of time, unsustainable and horrifically polluting at source!
Ban diesel and be glad an average petrol car emits far less pollution and does around 35-50+ mpg compared with less than half that 20 years ago!
Can you imagine what'd happen if ALL EU car makers said no? Stop sales on everything past a certain date? The car industry is one of the biggest there is. The EU would s
t themselves and be forced to capitulate! Teslas, Leafs etc are a waste of time, unsustainable and horrifically polluting at source!Ban diesel and be glad an average petrol car emits far less pollution and does around 35-50+ mpg compared with less than half that 20 years ago!
MDL111 said:
Small manufacturer exception maybe as they produce Fewer than 10k cars? No clue, just a guess
You're on the right track as it happens..Car makers who built less than 10K cars per annum are exempt from the driving emissions test if they choose to, they just have to pass the static test...Car makers over 10K cars have to pass both tests..Taffy66 said:
You're on the right track as it happens..Car makers who built less than 10K cars per annum are exempt from the driving emissions test if they choose to, they just have to pass the static test...Car makers over 10K cars have to pass both tests..
That's it then - under 4000 worldwide sales last year:http://media.lamborghini.com/english/latest-news/a...
I still think this is a huge issue for Porsche and that there is no easy power replacement fix for NASP engines when adding a particulate filter.
Jim1556 said:
Teslas, Leafs etc are a waste of time, unsustainable and horrifically polluting at source!
Ban diesel and be glad an average petrol car emits far less pollution and does around 35-50+ mpg compared with less than half that 20 years ago!
10,000 people a year dying in London alone due to vehicle emitted pollution suggests that you maybe missing the point when it comes to the issue of moving said emitted pollution out of a densely populated urban landscape to somewhere less densely populated.Ban diesel and be glad an average petrol car emits far less pollution and does around 35-50+ mpg compared with less than half that 20 years ago!
Making all London traffic electric would be a worthy (moral, even) goal.
Dammit said:
10,000 people a year dying in London alone due to vehicle emitted pollution suggests that you maybe missing the point when it comes to the issue of moving said emitted pollution out of a densely populated urban landscape to somewhere less densely populated.
Making all London traffic electric would be a worthy (moral, even) goal.
Yes, worth all the child labour in the cobalt mines of the DRC. It's pretty densely populated in there!Making all London traffic electric would be a worthy (moral, even) goal.
Dammit said:
Making all London traffic electric would be a worthy (moral, even) goal.
From what I have read that will happen purely on cost....the expected benefits of volume manufacturing EV's together with advance in battery and motor technology are going to make cars driven by internal combustion engines a thing of the past for most people just on a cost basis. Emissions legislation is pushing things this way but the pure economics just in terms of purchasing the cars (if people who live in cities even bother to buy cars rather than rent on a daily/hourly basis) for the average motorist will mean almost everyone will buy an EV as a daily driver.
"Digitisation of Transport" is where it's at apparently...
footsoldier said:
Dammit said:
10,000 people a year dying in London alone due to vehicle emitted pollution suggests that you maybe missing the point when it comes to the issue of moving said emitted pollution out of a densely populated urban landscape to somewhere less densely populated.
Making all London traffic electric would be a worthy (moral, even) goal.
Yes, worth all the child labour in the cobalt mines of the DRC. It's pretty densely populated in there!Making all London traffic electric would be a worthy (moral, even) goal.
Cheib said:
Out of site out of mind....same for shipping. electricity generation (EV's might be green but a lot of the electricity isn't!) etc etc
Same for declining UK food production..Import it all from South America where they can fill the increasing demand by slashing down rain forests..Out of sight, out of mind..!
hunter 66 said:
Sadly agree , now the Demetia issue as well but have gone EV for family transport , not sure of the 30-35 mpg , my RS is doing well to see 15-20 mpg , as I do like the sound in the higher rev range too much .
Mine, a GT3.2 average is 18mpg...My .1 returned a average of 21mpg.
Porsche911R said:
back to prices there is a .2 RS now for £234k as .2 drop this can only put the .1 RS down more.
I reckon over winter if you time it right you could probably buy a decent RHD 991.1 RS for close to £150k. I reckon that's a decent buy. All those cars with OPC's will have to find a home in the next three months given most of the major dealer groups have a 90 day stock policy. The cheapest cars are now around £170k so trade bids must be below £160k probably more like £150k given how many 991 GT cars are for sale.
Although wind and tidal generation would be better, arguably.
Anyway! The metals required for batteries are currently produced in ways that they should not be, that doesn't alter the impact of (mainly but not exclusively) diesel pollution, and indeed tackling the mining aspect would be good for everyone as the world now does rather run on batteries.
Anyway! The metals required for batteries are currently produced in ways that they should not be, that doesn't alter the impact of (mainly but not exclusively) diesel pollution, and indeed tackling the mining aspect would be good for everyone as the world now does rather run on batteries.
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