991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??
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The other strange thing and I could be wrong but don’t think I am is people want the ability to heel and toe with the manual. However I’m pretty sure in the new manual GT3 that when in sport mode the dam thing rev matches for you or heel toes,so what’s the bloody point ? Stand to be corrected !
You do realise you simply don't have to press the sport button? It doesn't really do anything apart from rev match on downshift.
You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
No way a current F1 car would be compatible with a manual gearbox. Undriveable. They’d have to make a load of retrograde steps on design and tech to make it work and that’s not going to happen.
The immersive experience isn’t just about waggling the stick around imho, it’s much more about the whole car. For me, the gt4 didn’t do it, nor did the boxster Spyder in the end. I don’t think the 991 gt3 would either but I haven’t driven the manual. 997.2RS on the other hand......IMHO.
The immersive experience isn’t just about waggling the stick around imho, it’s much more about the whole car. For me, the gt4 didn’t do it, nor did the boxster Spyder in the end. I don’t think the 991 gt3 would either but I haven’t driven the manual. 997.2RS on the other hand......IMHO.
Juno said:
The other strange thing and I could be wrong but don’t think I am is people want the ability to heel and toe with the manual. However I’m pretty sure in the new manual GT3 that when in sport mode the dam thing rev matches for you or heel toes,so what’s the bloody point ? Stand to be corrected !
Most will spout on about H&T on here, extolling the virtues and abilities , however I think they’d fold under questioning if a custard test was involved. 
DT398 said:
No way a current F1 car would be compatible with a manual gearbox. Undriveable. They’d have to make a load of retrograde steps on design and tech to make it work and that’s not going to happen.
The immersive experience isn’t just about waggling the stick around imho, it’s much more about the whole car. For me, the gt4 didn’t do it, nor did the boxster Spyder in the end. I don’t think the 991 gt3 would either but I haven’t driven the manual. 997.2RS on the other hand......IMHO.
Agree what you say about F1 but maybe that's a subject for another thread!The immersive experience isn’t just about waggling the stick around imho, it’s much more about the whole car. For me, the gt4 didn’t do it, nor did the boxster Spyder in the end. I don’t think the 991 gt3 would either but I haven’t driven the manual. 997.2RS on the other hand......IMHO.
Yes it's more than just about the manual and we need to look at the whole car. Comparing my manual 991 GT3 with my old 996 GT3 I would say the old car was deeply immersive and so far, although still early days, I think I preferred its manual box. Maybe this is your point as it suited the car better. Still I haven't run the new car in yet so time will tell.
AndrewD said:
You do realise you simply don't have to press the sport button? It doesn't really do anything apart from rev match on downshift.
You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
Morning Andrew - so the sport button is literally an auto blip button - no change in engine mapping ? You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
Cheers
RSVP911 said:
AndrewD said:
You do realise you simply don't have to press the sport button? It doesn't really do anything apart from rev match on downshift.
You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
Morning Andrew - so the sport button is literally an auto blip button - no change in engine mapping ? You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
Cheers
Swimfinz said:
RSVP911 said:
AndrewD said:
You do realise you simply don't have to press the sport button? It doesn't really do anything apart from rev match on downshift.
You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
Morning Andrew - so the sport button is literally an auto blip button - no change in engine mapping ? You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
Cheers
browngt3 said:
Yes it's more than just about the manual and we need to look at the whole car. Comparing my manual 991 GT3 with my old 996 GT3 I would say the old car was deeply immersive and so far, although still early days, I think I preferred its manual box. Maybe this is your point as it suited the car better. Still I haven't run the new car in yet so time will tell.
+1 there is a lot of nuance here which is apparent to those that care about it, less so to those that don't.I agree just a manual box doesn't do it. The GT4 and 991.2 implementation are very very good but the overall package is a tad contrived as the car generally is more refined. We are splitting hairs here as well in that one wouldn't refuse a 991.2 just because of this...it doesn't make it a bad car in any way or shape...just not as immersive as the throwback cars we try to compare them to.
Swimfinz said:
That’s definitely the case on the GT4.... (Unlike on my 987 Spyder, where the throttle map was changed significantly for the better with the Sport button pressed). Have heard it is the same on the new gen manual GT3 as well, but stand to be corrected....
The sport button on the GT4 also opens up extra cooling in the front rads (you can visibility see the coolant temp reduce on circuit and probably road too). However Porsche never made a strong point about the extra cooling being recommended for the engine on circuit and therefore most people just used it as n 'auto blip on/off' button. Ideally you would want the cooling on and the auto blip off but can't select like that.I assume the 991.2GT3 does something similar else they would have called it an 'auto blip on/off' button
blackmamba said:
Swimfinz said:
RSVP911 said:
AndrewD said:
You do realise you simply don't have to press the sport button? It doesn't really do anything apart from rev match on downshift.
You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
Morning Andrew - so the sport button is literally an auto blip button - no change in engine mapping ? You said it ages ago, people are different. They buy cars for all sorts of reasons not black or white. Not sure there is much else to say on the PDK vs manuel debate.
Cheers
Juno said:
I wonder if anyone would buy a manual McLaren if it were an option, I guess it’s less of a comparable as there’s not been a manual in the new age McLaren line up where’s with Porsche you do have the earlier manual cars to compare the experience!
It’s the marriage of manual gearbox with naturally aspirated engine that gets people excited. Given McLaren and Ferrari don’t make naturally aspirated cars there’s a lot less demand for it. It’ll be interesting to see when the GT3 loses its naturally aspirated engine whether they still offer a manual gearbox. If the US still wants manual I assume it’ll still get made.
LaSource said:
browngt3 said:
Yes it's more than just about the manual and we need to look at the whole car. Comparing my manual 991 GT3 with my old 996 GT3 I would say the old car was deeply immersive and so far, although still early days, I think I preferred its manual box. Maybe this is your point as it suited the car better. Still I haven't run the new car in yet so time will tell.
Yes I think this is exactly the point, well put. If I were buying a 996GT3 the subject wouldn’t even arise, one because it can’t but the main reason being it is just suited to the manual as it was designed as a whole package! +1 there is a lot of nuance here which is apparent to those that care about it, less so to those that don't.
I agree just a manual box doesn't do it. The GT4 and 991.2 implementation are very very good but the overall package is a tad contrived as the car generally is more refined. We are splitting hairs here as well in that one wouldn't refuse a 991.2 just because of this...it doesn't make it a bad car in any way or shape...just not as immersive as the throwback cars we try to compare them to.
Swimfinz said:
That’s definitely the case on the GT4.... (Unlike on my 987 Spyder, where the throttle map was changed significantly for the better with the Sport button pressed). Have heard it is the same on the new gen manual GT3 as well, but stand to be corrected....
The sport button on the GT4 also opens up extra cooling in the front rads (you can visibility see the coolant temp reduce on circuit and probably road too). However Porsche never made a strong point about the extra cooling being recommended for the engine on circuit and therefore most people just used it as n 'auto blip on/off' button. Ideally you would want the cooling on and the auto blip off but can't select like that.I assume the 991.2GT3 does something similar else they would have called it an 'auto blip on/off' button
Juno said:
I wonder if anyone would buy a manual McLaren if it were an option, I guess it’s less of a comparable as there’s not been a manual in the new age McLaren line up where’s with Porsche you do have the earlier manual cars to compare the experience!
It’s the marriage of manual gearbox with naturally aspirated engine that gets people excited. Given McLaren and Ferrari don’t make naturally aspirated cars there’s a lot less demand for it. It’ll be interesting to see when the GT3 loses its naturally aspirated engine whether they still offer a manual gearbox. If the US still wants manual I assume it’ll still get made.
LaSource said:
The sport button on the GT4 also opens up extra cooling in the front rads (you can visibility see the coolant temp reduce on circuit and probably road too). However Porsche never made a strong point about the extra cooling being recommended for the engine on circuit and therefore most people just used it as n 'auto blip on/off' button. Ideally you would want the cooling on and the auto blip off but can't select like that.
I assume the 991.2GT3 does something similar else they would have called it an 'auto blip on/off' button
GT4 would open the extra cooling if needed sport off, so was really a auto blip button.I assume the 991.2GT3 does something similar else they would have called it an 'auto blip on/off' button
Porsche911R said:
LaSource said:
The sport button on the GT4 also opens up extra cooling in the front rads (you can visibility see the coolant temp reduce on circuit and probably road too). However Porsche never made a strong point about the extra cooling being recommended for the engine on circuit and therefore most people just used it as n 'auto blip on/off' button. Ideally you would want the cooling on and the auto blip off but can't select like that.
I assume the 991.2GT3 does something similar else they would have called it an 'auto blip on/off' button
GT4 would open the extra cooling if needed sport off, so was really a auto blip button.I assume the 991.2GT3 does something similar else they would have called it an 'auto blip on/off' button
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