991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??
Discussion
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
You point out it’s still 18k over basic list (which the car isn’t as it has extras fitted to it) doesn’t omit the point that this car would of been advertised for sale two months ago for £175k a
Basic being the operative word...Can you provide a link to prove the car was £175k 2 months ago? Or is it just in your imagination?
JulierPass said:
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
You point out it’s still 18k over basic list (which the car isn’t as it has extras fitted to it) doesn’t omit the point that this car would of been advertised for sale two months ago for £175k a
Basic being the operative word...Can you provide a link to prove the car was £175k 2 months ago? Or is it just in your imagination?
Av185 are you now saying a gt3rs is basic because it doesn’t have a leather dash or door panel top trims?
Do you track an app called patina?
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
You point out it’s still 18k over basic list (which the car isn’t as it has extras fitted to it) doesn’t omit the point that this car would of been advertised for sale two months ago for £175k a
Basic being the operative word...Can you provide a link to prove the car was £175k 2 months ago? Or is it just in your imagination?
Remember there’s no right or wrong as it’s your opinion.
Look forward to your reply.
JulierPass said:
I think 175K valuation for a car like that 2 months ago is about right. I sold my 991.1 RS back to my opc for 175K in June of this year. Car has pretty much ever option. They haven't sold it and it's now advertised for less than they paid me for it. That says its all as far as I'm concerned.
Where is it please.There is no doubt that some options, no matter how comparatively cheap when new, make quite a difference to the used car price.
Examples are as i am sure you are all aware, PCCB's, extended leather, PCM, Club Sport and to a lesser extent on cooking models, PDK, sunroof, coloured stitching, Bose, parking sensors, camera etc etc.
The best example I saw was a 991.1 GT3RS without PCCB's about a year or so ago. It was Ultra Violet and Cardiff OPC suppled new and then failed to sell it so the owner sent it to JZM where they sold it for a massive discount over a similar PCCB spec car. I think some £40k difference compared to what the asking prices were at the time. It did have light grey coloured alcantara too though so people would have been worried about it staining. It all adds up.
I agree we should just drive the things, I do and i enjoy my cars but if you don't want to have an unsellable car, it does make sense to spec it with a little resale in mind. Having said that, I am actively looking for my next car to be a steel braked GT3 so I can track it more. I do want extended leather on a £140k car though.
Examples are as i am sure you are all aware, PCCB's, extended leather, PCM, Club Sport and to a lesser extent on cooking models, PDK, sunroof, coloured stitching, Bose, parking sensors, camera etc etc.
The best example I saw was a 991.1 GT3RS without PCCB's about a year or so ago. It was Ultra Violet and Cardiff OPC suppled new and then failed to sell it so the owner sent it to JZM where they sold it for a massive discount over a similar PCCB spec car. I think some £40k difference compared to what the asking prices were at the time. It did have light grey coloured alcantara too though so people would have been worried about it staining. It all adds up.
I agree we should just drive the things, I do and i enjoy my cars but if you don't want to have an unsellable car, it does make sense to spec it with a little resale in mind. Having said that, I am actively looking for my next car to be a steel braked GT3 so I can track it more. I do want extended leather on a £140k car though.
Fokker said:
There is no doubt that some options, no matter how comparatively cheap when new, make quite a difference to the used car price.
Examples are as i am sure you are all aware, PCCB's, extended leather, PCM, Club Sport and to a lesser extent on cooking models, PDK, sunroof, coloured stitching, Bose, parking sensors, camera etc etc.
The best example I saw was a 991.1 GT3RS without PCCB's about a year or so ago. It was Ultra Violet and Cardiff OPC suppled new and then failed to sell it so the owner sent it to JZM where they sold it for a massive discount over a similar PCCB spec car. I think some £40k difference compared to what the asking prices were at the time. It did have light grey coloured alcantara too though so people would have been worried about it staining. It all adds up.
I agree we should just drive the things, I do and i enjoy my cars but if you don't want to have an unsellable car, it does make sense to spec it with a little resale in mind. Having said that, I am actively looking for my next car to be a steel braked GT3 so I can track it more. I do want extended leather on a £140k car though.
just buy some AP for the PCCB set up, oem disks are crap any way and now, where they used to be cheap, so you could swap them out every 6 track days, they are no longer that cheap !!! GT3 disks are bloody expensive even in steels.Examples are as i am sure you are all aware, PCCB's, extended leather, PCM, Club Sport and to a lesser extent on cooking models, PDK, sunroof, coloured stitching, Bose, parking sensors, camera etc etc.
The best example I saw was a 991.1 GT3RS without PCCB's about a year or so ago. It was Ultra Violet and Cardiff OPC suppled new and then failed to sell it so the owner sent it to JZM where they sold it for a massive discount over a similar PCCB spec car. I think some £40k difference compared to what the asking prices were at the time. It did have light grey coloured alcantara too though so people would have been worried about it staining. It all adds up.
I agree we should just drive the things, I do and i enjoy my cars but if you don't want to have an unsellable car, it does make sense to spec it with a little resale in mind. Having said that, I am actively looking for my next car to be a steel braked GT3 so I can track it more. I do want extended leather on a £140k car though.
no issue tracking PCCB imo. many do and the new ones last much longer, I think it's a none issue now days if you look after them.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 11th December 10:44
Porsche911R said:
no issue tracking PCCB imo. many do and the new ones last much longer, I think it's a none issue now days if you sell the car within the first 3 years.
EFA...I think the latest ceramics are vastly improved and last well for that first resale moment. Down the line it will be someone else's problem.
A moderately tracked PCCB car with mileage in the teens start to require new brakes...
LaSource said:
EFA
...I think the latest ceramics are vastly improved and last well for that first resale moment. Down the line it will be someone else's problem.
A moderately tracked PCCB car with mileage in the teens start to require new brakes...
A steel car will have got though 6 sets though lol also some people do 250 miles on a track day and do 20 a year and no cool down laps....I think the latest ceramics are vastly improved and last well for that first resale moment. Down the line it will be someone else's problem.
A moderately tracked PCCB car with mileage in the teens start to require new brakes...
I do 100 miles a day and do 3 PA with 2 cool down laps. 300 track miles vs 5k track miles.
so 2 quite different stats, the former car will need to have followed strict Centre lock serving also.
Replace wheel bearing housing on rear axle
Replace wheel hubs and wheel bearings on front axle
Replace central lock bolts on front axle
Replace wheel hubs and wheel bearings on rear axle
Replace central lock bolts on rear axle
est bill for that lot ?
I wonder if people look at that side of things when buying let alone the calipers will be ****ed
I would want a pads out caliper inspection on any GT car which has been on track before parting with cash, the pads don't wear even and that snaps the pucks ! and an OPC won't replace those, so it's a full set of calipers needed.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 11th December 12:46
Fokker said:
There is no doubt that some options, no matter how comparatively cheap when new, make quite a difference to the used car price.
Examples are as i am sure you are all aware, PCCB's, extended leather, PCM, Club Sport and to a lesser extent on cooking models, PDK, sunroof, coloured stitching, Bose, parking sensors, camera etc etc.
The best example I saw was a 991.1 GT3RS without PCCB's about a year or so ago. It was Ultra Violet and Cardiff OPC suppled new and then failed to sell it so the owner sent it to JZM where they sold it for a massive discount over a similar PCCB spec car. I think some £40k difference compared to what the asking prices were at the time. It did have light grey coloured alcantara too though so people would have been worried about it staining. It all adds up.
I agree we should just drive the things, I do and i enjoy my cars but if you don't want to have an unsellable car, it does make sense to spec it with a little resale in mind. Having said that, I am actively looking for my next car to be a steel braked GT3 so I can track it more. I do want extended leather on a £140k car though.
I would struggle to believe that a car sold for 40k less because of its brakes.How much would it cost to replace steels with ceramics ? 10-15 at most ? Like last year that person who reckoned a car with buckets was worth 15k more than a car without.He was comparing a high spec low mileage car with an older higher mileage low spec car,the actual difference was 3-4k between identical cars bar the seats.Examples are as i am sure you are all aware, PCCB's, extended leather, PCM, Club Sport and to a lesser extent on cooking models, PDK, sunroof, coloured stitching, Bose, parking sensors, camera etc etc.
The best example I saw was a 991.1 GT3RS without PCCB's about a year or so ago. It was Ultra Violet and Cardiff OPC suppled new and then failed to sell it so the owner sent it to JZM where they sold it for a massive discount over a similar PCCB spec car. I think some £40k difference compared to what the asking prices were at the time. It did have light grey coloured alcantara too though so people would have been worried about it staining. It all adds up.
I agree we should just drive the things, I do and i enjoy my cars but if you don't want to have an unsellable car, it does make sense to spec it with a little resale in mind. Having said that, I am actively looking for my next car to be a steel braked GT3 so I can track it more. I do want extended leather on a £140k car though.
Years back I got a gallardo ,all the gallardo owners and dealers said I would lose fortunes and struggle to sell it because it was grey (not a bright colour) and a manual (lambo were selling basically no manuals then at all ) ,kept it 2 years I sold it within an hour of advertising it and made money on it .
Porsche911R said:
A steel car will have got though 6 sets though lol also some people do 250 miles on a track day and do 20 a year and no cool down laps.
I do 100 miles a day and do 3 PA with 2 cool down laps. 300 track miles vs 5k track miles.
so 2 quite different stats, the former car will need to have followed strict Centre lock serving also.
Replace wheel bearing housing on rear axle
Replace wheel hubs and wheel bearings on front axle
Replace central lock bolts on front axle
Replace wheel hubs and wheel bearings on rear axle
Replace central lock bolts on rear axle
est bill for that lot ?
I wonder if people look at that side of things when buying let alone the calipers will be ****ed
I would want a pads out caliper inspection on any GT car which has been on track before parting with cash, the pads don't wear even and that snaps the pucks ! and an OPC won't replace those, so it's a full set of calipers needed.
Based on my own on track experience. I would expect to see around 40 track days from a set of PCBDs on either a 91RS or GT3. Before they drop below the requirement for the 111 inspection. I do 100 miles a day and do 3 PA with 2 cool down laps. 300 track miles vs 5k track miles.
so 2 quite different stats, the former car will need to have followed strict Centre lock serving also.
Replace wheel bearing housing on rear axle
Replace wheel hubs and wheel bearings on front axle
Replace central lock bolts on front axle
Replace wheel hubs and wheel bearings on rear axle
Replace central lock bolts on rear axle
est bill for that lot ?
I wonder if people look at that side of things when buying let alone the calipers will be ****ed
I would want a pads out caliper inspection on any GT car which has been on track before parting with cash, the pads don't wear even and that snaps the pucks ! and an OPC won't replace those, so it's a full set of calipers needed.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 11th December 12:46
franki68 said:
I would struggle to believe that a car sold for 40k less because of its brakes.How much would it cost to replace steels with ceramics ? 10-15 at most ? Like last year that person who reckoned a car with buckets was worth 15k more than a car without.He was comparing a high spec low mileage car with an older higher mileage low spec car,the actual difference was 3-4k between identical cars bar the seats.
Years back I got a gallardo ,all the gallardo owners and dealers said I would lose fortunes and struggle to sell it because it was grey (not a bright colour) and a manual (lambo were selling basically no manuals then at all ) ,kept it 2 years I sold it within an hour of advertising it and made money on it .
that av185 for you :-) he loves the PCCB and PCM £30k price difference.Years back I got a gallardo ,all the gallardo owners and dealers said I would lose fortunes and struggle to sell it because it was grey (not a bright colour) and a manual (lambo were selling basically no manuals then at all ) ,kept it 2 years I sold it within an hour of advertising it and made money on it .
for the rest of us, lower speced cars are over priced vs higher spec cars, it's that simple, if you said every car is worth 15k over list that might make sense to prices.
but we have very low spec cars at £25k overs and high spec cars only at 15k overs.
no wonder the high spec cars are selling better, they are far more value for money.
If the low spec cars were prices to sell at £15k overs we would see cars sub £135k and some movement in this area.
Not sure why people makes these things so hard to understand :-p
dealers have been paying high spec money for low spec cars and now selling below what they paid, it's that simple and they seem a bit thick !
these are the cars stuck at OPC lots and SOR dealers !
put up a high spec car at £15k overs they seem to sell within the week.
Nothing wrong with low spec cars bar the prices of them at OPC networks are unrealistic.
there is a buyer for every car as long as it's priced right.
Porsche911R said:
that av185 for you :-) he loves the PCCB and PCM £30k price difference.
for the rest of us, lower speced cars are over priced vs higher spec cars, it's that simple, if you said every car is worth 15k over list that might make sense to prices.
but we have very low spec cars at £25k overs and high spec cars only at 15k overs.
no wonder the high spec cars are selling better, they are far more value for money.
If the low spec cars were prices to sell at £15k overs we would see cars sub £135k and some movement in this area.
Not sure why people makes these things so hard to understand :-p
dealers have been paying high spec money for low spec cars and now selling below what they paid, it's that simple and they seem a bit thick !
these are the cars stuck at OPC lots and SOR dealers !
put up a high spec car at £15k overs they seem to sell within the week.
Nothing wrong with low spec cars bar the prices of them at OPC networks are unrealistic.
there is a buyer for every car as long as it's priced right.
absolutely,there is a I think zero spec 991.2 gt3 at 140k.for the rest of us, lower speced cars are over priced vs higher spec cars, it's that simple, if you said every car is worth 15k over list that might make sense to prices.
but we have very low spec cars at £25k overs and high spec cars only at 15k overs.
no wonder the high spec cars are selling better, they are far more value for money.
If the low spec cars were prices to sell at £15k overs we would see cars sub £135k and some movement in this area.
Not sure why people makes these things so hard to understand :-p
dealers have been paying high spec money for low spec cars and now selling below what they paid, it's that simple and they seem a bit thick !
these are the cars stuck at OPC lots and SOR dealers !
put up a high spec car at £15k overs they seem to sell within the week.
Nothing wrong with low spec cars bar the prices of them at OPC networks are unrealistic.
there is a buyer for every car as long as it's priced right.
franki68 said:
absolutely,there is a I think zero spec 991.2 gt3 at 140k.
of course my post is all based on sub 2k mile cars.miles = less value again of course that's a given and quite a lot less in the GT market.
you can knock off £1k per 1k miles there after imo.
if people and buyers stick to £15k overs and 1k miles = 1k loss above 2k miles then you can offer the right price on these SOR cars as the sellers MUST want to sell them.
you might also say a 2018 car maybe worth 2k more than a 17 plate car due to warranty etc and age.
put it this way they are not going to sell these low spec cars anytime soon at todays prices, and some dealers will have to take a £10k bath on some stock.
none of this is FACT either I might add lol , just my way of valuing cars for sale and what looks ok value and what looks daft, it seems to work well and might help people not knowing much about the GT market and wanting to buy what to offer as prices are all over the place.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 11th December 14:59
franki68 said:
I would struggle to believe that a car sold for 40k less because of its brakes.How much would it cost to replace steels with ceramics ? 10-15 at most ? Like last year that person who reckoned a car with buckets was worth 15k more than a car without.He was comparing a high spec low mileage car with an older higher mileage low spec car,the actual difference was 3-4k between identical cars bar the seats.
Years back I got a gallardo ,all the gallardo owners and dealers said I would lose fortunes and struggle to sell it because it was grey (not a bright colour) and a manual (lambo were selling basically no manuals then at all ) ,kept it 2 years I sold it within an hour of advertising it and made money on it .
It was sold at I think £165 - 170k. The PCCB cars then were advertised for over £200k at OPC's.Years back I got a gallardo ,all the gallardo owners and dealers said I would lose fortunes and struggle to sell it because it was grey (not a bright colour) and a manual (lambo were selling basically no manuals then at all ) ,kept it 2 years I sold it within an hour of advertising it and made money on it .
It had 6-7k miles on it and 3 owners. It took ages to sell and was a good buy seemingly at the time.
Yellow491 said:
JulierPass said:
I think 175K valuation for a car like that 2 months ago is about right. I sold my 991.1 RS back to my opc for 175K in June of this year. Car has pretty much ever option. They haven't sold it and it's now advertised for less than they paid me for it. That says its all as far as I'm concerned.
Where is it please.av185 said:
Porsche911R said:
that av185 for you :-) he loves the PCCB and PCM £30k price difference.
That steel braked UV RS Fokker correctly refers to was at JZM from Cardiff and up at £180k from memory when other equivalent but ceramic braked cars were £210k ish.So a £30k difference.
Av185 I see you avoided my question yet again, you and one other are very good at not replying to questions when challenged.
GT4RS said:
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
You point out it’s still 18k over basic list (which the car isn’t as it has extras fitted to it) doesn’t omit the point that this car would of been advertised for sale two months ago for £175k a
Basic being the operative word...Can you provide a link to prove the car was £175k 2 months ago? Or is it just in your imagination?
Here’s a example which is priced at £209k, this is an extra £59k over the car £150k you call a basic spec car due to saying it doesn’t have a extended leather dash or door panels. Now the question I have for you is the £59k justified or is it £58k to expensive?
Remember there’s no right or wrong as it’s your opinion.
Look forward to your reply.
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