991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??

991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??

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GT4RS

4,428 posts

197 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Link now added

hunter 66

3,905 posts

220 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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.2 RS are now below 200 and falling fast
... maybe time to use them instead , soon when all the Weisach pack specced cars arrive , they will be back at list .

JulierPass

641 posts

230 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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GT4RS said:
GT4RS said:
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
You point out it’s still 18k over basic list (which the car isn’t as it has extras fitted to it) doesn’t omit the point that this car would of been advertised for sale two months ago for £175k a
Basic being the operative word...

Can you provide a link to prove the car was £175k 2 months ago? Or is it just in your imagination?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-gt3-991/porsche-911-991-gt3-rs-pdk----------------2016/8635342

Here’s a example which is priced at £209k, this is an extra £59k over the car £150k you call a basic spec car due to saying it doesn’t have a extended leather dash or door panels. Now the question I have for you is the £59k justified or is it £58k to expensive?

Remember there’s no right or wrong as it’s your opinion.

Look forward to your reply.
whoever is selling this car has heir head in the clouds its 40 to 45k over current market value

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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hunter 66 said:
.2 RS are now below 200 and falling fast
... maybe time to use them instead , soon when all the Weisach pack specced cars arrive , they will be back at list .
nearly makes me want to cut an arm and leg off to try this PDK thing :-)

getting tricky between this and the Performante also now under £200k on which form of automation is the best.


Fokker

3,460 posts

222 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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av185 said:
That steel braked UV RS Fokker correctly refers to was at JZM from Cardiff and up at £180k from memory when other equivalent but ceramic braked cars were £210k ish.

So a £30k difference.
Yep and didnt reach 180k either so it was closer I believe to 40k. I spoke to JZM about it at the time

cormeist

830 posts

101 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Secondary market is very different to list customers, i have bought for overs in the past on 991 RS's

cayman-black

12,648 posts

216 months

Saturday 15th December 2018
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av185 said:
GT4RS said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

A rhd 8000 mile car for £149,995 if anyone is brave enough to buy at the moment.

Price war is clearly on.

Lovely colour
Most buyers want extended leather this car has the cheapo placcy dash and door tops...not good on a £150k car.

Wonder if it is a UK car. No mention of it. Or history.
I would agree with this, a must have for me would be the leather Dash as that plastic just look horrid.

The LHD car at JZM looks lovely! Is it overpriced though?

Redarress

678 posts

207 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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Porsche911R said:
LaSource said:
EFA

...I think the latest ceramics are vastly improved and last well for that first resale moment. Down the line it will be someone else's problem.

A moderately tracked PCCB car with mileage in the teens start to require new brakes...
A steel car will have got though 6 sets though lol also some people do 250 miles on a track day and do 20 a year and no cool down laps.

I do 100 miles a day and do 3 PA with 2 cool down laps. 300 track miles vs 5k track miles.

so 2 quite different stats, the former car will need to have followed strict Centre lock serving also.

Replace wheel bearing housing on rear axle
Replace wheel hubs and wheel bearings on front axle
Replace central lock bolts on front axle
Replace wheel hubs and wheel bearings on rear axle
Replace central lock bolts on rear axle

est bill for that lot ?

I wonder if people look at that side of things when buying let alone the calipers will be ****ed

I would want a pads out caliper inspection on any GT car which has been on track before parting with cash, the pads don't wear even and that snaps the pucks ! and an OPC won't replace those, so it's a full set of calipers needed.

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 11th December 12:46
Just out of interest why will the calipers be xxxxed

Dr S

4,997 posts

226 months

Tuesday 18th December 2018
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cayman-black said:
I would agree with this, a must have for me would be the leather Dash as that plastic just look horrid.

The LHD car at JZM looks lovely! Is it overpriced though?
My 7.2 RS is a high spec car but misses the extended leather. It never bothered me as the interior (with carbon though) reminded me of the cars I am racing. Whilst I'd want extended leather on a vanilla 3 any day of the week as it's my daily, I can very well live without it in an RS

ben5575

6,281 posts

221 months

Tuesday 18th December 2018
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Yes but the leather dash is so nice to stroke when you're sat making brumm brumm noises in your garage for fear of putting any mileage on it wink

I agree entirely, it's an RS. Leather dashes are what GTSs are made for.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Tuesday 18th December 2018
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Redarress said:
Just out of interest why will the calipers be xxxxed
the pads don't wear even and unlike real race calipers the pucks are ceramic which touch the pad, as soon as the pads starts to wear it puts an angle on the ceramic pucks and they snap after a few heat cycles, it's very hard to get these items, so on a track hack car the only fix is a set of new calipers or buy after market Ti pucks, or visit a CUP race team and ask for a spare.

you can limit this by turning the pads round every track day but with the new caliper design a pad swap is far harder :-( so people don't bother.

-the pucks are NOT available separately !
--dealers do not have a part # for caliper rebuild kits, they want you to buy the whole caliper
--Brembo will not sell parts for OEM brakes - their agreement with Porsche does not allow this

daft design imo, ok for road use not track which makes the heat to make the ceramic brittle enough that any pad wear will snap them.

CUP races can order rebuild kits which comes with pucks but you need a friendly OPC to order CUP parts and also find the part numbers.

MadMarkM3

1,754 posts

149 months

Saturday 29th December 2018
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993rsr said:
Standard MO for you, get called out for what you really are and then you whine like a bixxh that everyone's picking on you and it's just banter.

It would be easy to display your 'form' by posting the plethora of deliberately inflammatory, belittling tripe you've posted over the last 6-7 years under Mr Demon, Porsche GT4 and your current nomenclature.
Ah yes - Mr Demon ..... I remember him well ..... smile

Macca993

532 posts

251 months

Tuesday 1st January 2019
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The above reason for the pucks cracking is correct. When it happened on my 991 GT3 Porsche replaced the calipers under warranty as the individual parts were not available.

However the Cup cars use an entirely different caliper. Its a one piece billet affair by Performance Friction. Its superior to the "built to price" hybrid mono bridge cast alloy units supplied by Brembo to Porsche under an volume price sensitive contract. To the best of my knowledge the puck sizes are different as are the material they are made from.

The only durable alternative is to buy the Ti or Alloy replacement pucks from the likes of Race Brakes in USA. These work a treat and the issue will be gone for good. of course so will the factory warranty on the brake calipers, but to be honest thats no big deal if you are a track junkie...

RSVP911

8,192 posts

133 months

Tuesday 1st January 2019
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Macca993 said:
The above reason for the pucks cracking is correct. When it happened on my 991 GT3 Porsche replaced the calipers under warranty as the individual parts were not available.

However the Cup cars use an entirely different caliper. Its a one piece billet affair by Performance Friction. Its superior to the "built to price" hybrid mono bridge cast alloy units supplied by Brembo to Porsche under an volume price sensitive contract. To the best of my knowledge the puck sizes are different as are the material they are made from.

The only durable alternative is to buy the Ti or Alloy replacement pucks from the likes of Race Brakes in USA. These work a treat and the issue will be gone for good. of course so will the factory warranty on the brake calipers, but to be honest thats no big deal if you are a track junkie...
Welcome back and a very happy new year to you smile

Macca993

532 posts

251 months

Tuesday 1st January 2019
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RSVP911 said:
Welcome back and a very happy new year to you smile
Hey Rich. Same to you buddy. Hope you and the family are being treated well and here's to a great 2019....

MadMarkM3

1,754 posts

149 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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So whats this worth?

2016 GT3 RS with less than 800 miles, in what looks to me like "comfort" spec - with no cage and 18 way adjustable seats. Has the lifting system and the all important PCCB's though!

It will probably need a major service, 111 point check and Porsche warranty, plus an MOT soon ...

Was £180K two months ago - now £175K ....

av185

18,514 posts

127 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Weird spec and low mileage.

Difficult car to value.

If you specifically want one without buckets and cage to keep for quite a time then fine.

But otherwise it is hard to see the car appealing to the majority of RS buyers who demand in particular buckets as part of the spec.

As a consequence the car will need to be quite a bit cheaper than the current ap.

MadMarkM3

1,754 posts

149 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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av185 said:
Weird spec and low mileage.

Difficult car to value.

If you specifically want one without buckets and cage to keep for quite a time then fine.

But otherwise it is hard to see the car appealing to the majority of RS buyers who demand in particular buckets as part of the spec.

As a consequence the car will need to be quite a bit cheaper than the current ap.
That's my thinking av185 - I love the idea of an RS for the chassis, but I don't really want the buckets and I'm not really a fan of cages in road cars when you're not wearing a helmet. So will it depreciate like a stone?

hunter 66

3,905 posts

220 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Specced my .2 RS , without a cage , have welded in ones in my race Porsches but in a road car even tracked every now and again , I think a bolted in ( squeaky ) cage looks a bit much on the high street. So not to worry everyone has different opinions ...... some like PCCB , some prefer steel.

Juno

4,481 posts

249 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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hunter 66 said:
.2 RS are now below 200 and falling fast
... maybe time to use them instead , soon when all the Weisach pack specced cars arrive , they will be back at list .
WP Cars,who when where???