991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??

[cayman-black]

Beautifully specced Andrew.

[AndrewD]

cayman-black said:

Beautifully specced Andrew.

Thanks!

A lovely car and I hope the new owner enjoys it.

[fridaypassion]

Is it right that the .1 RS suffers less from the engine issues by having a lower RPM limit? Do they still get the 10 year warranty?

If any of the 991 cars are kept under OPC they will be covered anyway right?

[terryb]

fridaypassion said:

Is it right that the .1 RS suffers less from the engine issues by having a lower RPM limit? Do they still get the 10 year warranty?

If any of the 991 cars are kept under OPC they will be covered anyway right?

10 yr engine warranty only applies to the GT3, not RS

I don’t believe many RS have suffered with engines. Although there will likely be the odd few - there always are for every car. But nothing to worry about - however I would always buy with OPC warranty for peace of mind

[fridaypassion]

Prices seem to have firmed up since the last time I looked. 150 ish seemed to be doable over winter. Makes a compelling comparison to a 570S.

[neilsss2]

10 year warranty applies to RS too; some of them still use the engine types (E& and early F I think) which has failures (mine is an early F)

[Juno]

It makes you realise looking at these price just how lucky you have been to get a .2 WP GT3RS New to your own spec!

Even the early 991 RS’s are still well over list price which is amazing and shows the esteem in which these cars are held in.

Also at a time when people are saying the market is crap!

[Adam B]

GT4RS said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

This ones been up for ever at 200k interestingly they have just dropped the price by 14k

Clearly they had very little margin in the car at 200k ??

That’s a really uninspiring colour on an RS IMHO

[av185]

GTS not my favourite but it was the most popular colour choice new for the gen 2 GT3.

[Juno]

Adam B said:

GT4RS said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

This ones been up for ever at 200k interestingly they have just dropped the price by 14k

Clearly they had very little margin in the car at 200k ??

That’s a really uninspiring colour on an RS IMHO

And to think that car would have been about £150k new!

Just noticed red seats and cage on a silver car with yellow callipers and whit dials,bit of a mess IMO

Edited by Juno on Monday 27th May 10:57

[cayman-black]

neilsss2 said:

10 year warranty applies to RS too; some of them still use the engine types (E& and early F I think) which has failures (mine is an early F)

I didn't know the RS had engine problems is it the same engine as in the GT3 then?

[Porsche911R]

cayman-black said:

I didn't know the RS had engine problems is it the same engine as in the GT3 then?

Yes, but they lowered the Rev limit in them to stop the fails.

[GT4RS]

cayman-black said:

neilsss2 said:

10 year warranty applies to RS too; some of them still use the engine types (E& and early F I think) which has failures (mine is an early F)

I didn't know the RS had engine problems is it the same engine as in the GT3 then?

From my understanding they all use the same engines even the new 991.2 gt3 has the same engine, it just gets updated every generation. The 991.1 gt3 rs engine is an update of the standard 991.1 gt3 engine, as 991r points out part of the update was to lower the rpm to reduce possible failures.

Sensible priced 991.1 gt3 rs cars are now starting to look great value, even Jzm who are normally expensive compared to others has priced a nice spec RHD low mile car for £158k recently. It was not that long ago these would
off been 195k cars.

For the ones in a position to buy they are looking very tempting, sadly I’m not at the moment!

[terryb]

GT4RS said:

cayman-black said:

neilsss2 said:

10 year warranty applies to RS too; some of them still use the engine types (E& and early F I think) which has failures (mine is an early F)

I didn't know the RS had engine problems is it the same engine as in the GT3 then?

From my understanding they all use the same engines even the new 991.2 gt3 has the same engine, it just gets updated every generation. The 991.1 gt3 rs engine is an update of the standard 991.1 gt3 engine, as 991r points out part of the update was to lower the rpm to reduce possible failures.

Sensible priced 991.1 gt3 rs cars are now starting to look great value, even Jzm who are normally expensive compared to others has priced a nice spec RHD low mile car for £158k recently. It was not that long ago these would
off been 195k cars.

For the ones in a position to buy they are looking very tempting, sadly I’m not at the moment!

The original bulletin for the extended engine warranty - 10 yrs or 120k miles was for 991GT3 (2014-2016 MY). See https://images.app.goo.gl/n8cgGn8BY86ym4C66

I’m not aware that this also included 991.1RS - but would be interested to see some proof if this is indeed the case

The engines differ as follows, from memory - I’m sure someone will have more tech detail to share

991.1 GT3 = 3.8l
991.1 RS = 4.0l, with crankshaft made of very special material
991.2 GT3 = 4.0l, with completely overhauled valvetrain
991.2 RS = same as 991.2 GT3

So there are 3 different engines above from what I understand.

[isaldiri]

terryb said:

The original bulletin for the extended engine warranty - 10 yrs or 120k miles was for 991GT3 (2014-2016 MY). See https://images.app.goo.gl/n8cgGn8BY86ym4C66

I’m not aware that this also included 991.1RS - but would be interested to see some proof if this is indeed the case

The .1 rs simply hasn't had anything like the same rate of failures. There wouldn't be the same requirement or pressure behind the .1 gt3's warranty. The odd engine has had it's problems (high oil usage I think is probably the most common) but the same can probably be said of the .2 gt3. there were loads of .1 rs being made and in Europe they were more often than not the most commonly seen gt car seen on trackdays for years. If there was a recurring issue with the engine like the gt3 it would have shown up long ago.

[neilsss2]

There is a thread on Rennlist with very detailed info on the engine issue - apparently there were a few modifications before they solved it definitively with ‘F’ engines above a certain number being ‘safe’.

I have a Canadian market 991.1 RS and when I imported it Porsche confirmed that the 10 year engine cover applied.

[isaldiri]

neilsss2 said:

There is a thread on Rennlist with very detailed info on the engine issue - apparently there were a few modifications before they solved it definitively with ‘F’ engines above a certain number being ‘safe’.

I'm not sure you can say that with such confidence when on the gt3 a good number of 'G' engines have required replacement...

[av185]

isaldiri said:

The odd engine has had it's problems (high oil usage I think is probably the most common) but the same can probably be said of the .2 gt3.

Any link and or evidence to back that up?

[ChrisW.]

I believe there have also been issues under the radar ...
A robotic conrod bolt issue where bolts were tightened to 45 ft lbs rather than 90 ...

And an assembly issue where pistons were fitted to the wrong cylinder bank causing premature wear ...

But P are supporting this with a 10 year warranty and simply fit an exchange engine which they believe will solve the problem once and for all. Sometimes you learn from experience and in this P will foot the bill until it’s solved. That’s class.

[isaldiri]

av185 said:

isaldiri said:

The odd engine has had it's problems (high oil usage I think is probably the most common) but the same can probably be said of the .2 gt3.

Any link and or evidence to back that up?

Anecdotal. Merely cars I have heard about or know from others having seen them being worked on at their OPC.