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IIRC the 964RS was criticised for its 'road manners' - too stiff, handful at speed, tram-lining,.... and it was slated by the press for that reason.
It's popularity grew in the '90s with the advent of 'track days' and, at £20k ish, they became a popular alternative to a Caterham, Subaru, Mitsubishi....
Then as the 2.7RSs started to appreciate, they benefitted and enthusiasts talked up their racing heritage and relative rarity and they started to achieve a cult following and collectability status.
I travelled in one in the '90s across Salisbury Plain, and it wasn't a relaxing ride - the 993RS was much better resolved. But, ffw to the new GT3 Touring, which I travelled in last week, again as a pax, and it's quite remarkable what has been achieved.
Our roads haven't changed - if anything they are worse - but the GT3T seems to feel like both a race car and a cossetting GT all at the same time.
It's popularity grew in the '90s with the advent of 'track days' and, at £20k ish, they became a popular alternative to a Caterham, Subaru, Mitsubishi....
Then as the 2.7RSs started to appreciate, they benefitted and enthusiasts talked up their racing heritage and relative rarity and they started to achieve a cult following and collectability status.
I travelled in one in the '90s across Salisbury Plain, and it wasn't a relaxing ride - the 993RS was much better resolved. But, ffw to the new GT3 Touring, which I travelled in last week, again as a pax, and it's quite remarkable what has been achieved.
Our roads haven't changed - if anything they are worse - but the GT3T seems to feel like both a race car and a cossetting GT all at the same time.
Koln-RS said:
IIRC the 964RS was criticised for its 'road manners' - too stiff, handful at speed, tram-lining,.... and it was slated by the press for that reason.
It's popularity grew in the '90s with the advent of 'track days' and, at £20k ish, they became a popular alternative to a Caterham, Subaru, Mitsubishi....
Then as the 2.7RSs started to appreciate, they benefitted and enthusiasts talked up their racing heritage and relative rarity and they started to achieve a cult following and collectability status.
I travelled in one in the '90s across Salisbury Plain, and it wasn't a relaxing ride - the 993RS was much better resolved.
The two biggest problems with the 964 were the 965 3.3 Turbo (which was cheaper) and the fact the 964 RS was ”before its time”.It's popularity grew in the '90s with the advent of 'track days' and, at £20k ish, they became a popular alternative to a Caterham, Subaru, Mitsubishi....
Then as the 2.7RSs started to appreciate, they benefitted and enthusiasts talked up their racing heritage and relative rarity and they started to achieve a cult following and collectability status.
I travelled in one in the '90s across Salisbury Plain, and it wasn't a relaxing ride - the 993RS was much better resolved.
The comparisons of the 964 RS and the 965 3.3 Turbo at the time both missed the point, and were pointless. One was a luxury GT car, beautiful looking (to some) but in essence was a wobbly barge, with an engine/turbo install hastily cobbled together to provide a halo model at a time when Porsche AG could ill afford to develop a flagship for their most important product line.
Meanwhile the 964 RS was a return to their old values and ethos, a lightweight, focused drivers car shorn of fripperies, tactile, engaging and visceral.
Those seeking a comfortable, cosseting car wouldn’t find what they seeked in the RS (but they’re not uncomfortable, they have have the most incredibly comfortable seats), whilst those seeking a focused drivers car, wouldn’t find what they were looking for in the 3.3 Turbo (that would fall to the 3.3 Turbo lightweight iteration, which cost considerably more still).
The 993 RS was better resolved (specifically the suspension) but it lost some of the earlier car’s tactility and engagement in the process.
I’m not sure I concur that owner/enthusiasts “talked up the 964 RS’s heritage etc”.
Porsche’s products and the demographic they sell their cars to, has seen a seismic shift over the last 20 years (and a brief read of the majority of the threads on this very forum proves that admirably...) and as the demand for track days increased, suddenly the 964 RS became “fashionable” because it was ready to track out of the box, and pedalled by someone with a modicum of skill, it was a very quick car. And thus its legend grew.
As every iteration of the RS/GT cars became heavier, bigger, more powerful and more importantly, less tactile, so the likes of the 2.7RS, 3.2 CS, 964 RS and 993 RS became better appreciated for what they were/are. That being fantastically focused drivers cars, that have no driver aids and thus require a degree of skill (and some knowledge/an understanding of their chassis dynamics) to be driven quickly.
Ran my 64 RS on slicks ( Avons which were crossply so no big camber change ) it really worked well ..... was mega at Spa dropped the front ride height as well for sharper turn in . All the slicks could be fitted in the car by taking the passenger seat out and turning it upside down ......
In those days track day tyres were not great like now so it absolutely flew compared to others , great fun but stressed the chassis which used to creak under load .
Anyway , now it probably is a two past owners ..... garage queen
In those days track day tyres were not great like now so it absolutely flew compared to others , great fun but stressed the chassis which used to creak under load .
Anyway , now it probably is a two past owners ..... garage queen
[quote=hunter 66]Agree there to help when needed ....... in say F3 a lock up is easy to see but in my GT3 RS with no ABS , lock ups are generally more difficult to notice ..... just frantic modulation needed to stop and a car full of smoke ..... then ruined tyres and big vibration
Hunter You should stop wearing platform shoes or stilletoes when driving
you would then feel the lock up through the pedal!The gt3rs is a very nimble car indeed,the only factory race car i have weighed that is bang on 1100kg with oil and water,what did it dyno at?
Hunter You should stop wearing platform shoes or stilletoes when driving
you would then feel the lock up through the pedal!The gt3rs is a very nimble car indeed,the only factory race car i have weighed that is bang on 1100kg with oil and water,what did it dyno at?Slippydiff said:
As every iteration of the RS/GT cars became heavier, bigger, more powerful and more importantly, less tactile, so the likes of the 2.7RS, 3.2 CS, 964 RS, 993 RS, and 996 GT3 and RS became better appreciated for what they were/are. That being fantastically focused drivers cars, that have no driver aids and thus require a degree of skill (and some knowledge/an understanding of their chassis dynamics) to be driven quickly.
Edited for accuracy as you forgot to include the 996s.The driver aids and active suspensions came after the 996...though water boiling and higher performance arrived with the 996.
Yellow491 said:
Hunter You should stop wearing platform shoes or stilletoes when driving you would then feel the lock up through the pedal!The gt3rs is a very nimble car indeed,the only factory race car i have weighed that is bang on 1100kg with oil and water,what did it dyno at?
I heard 435 prime Pork gee gees you would then feel the lock up through the pedal!The gt3rs is a very nimble car indeed,the only factory race car i have weighed that is bang on 1100kg with oil and water,what did it dyno at?In 1100kgs, that should make for quite a package
The 996 RS/R was a potent package. Quicker than the GT2 with less power. The 996 Cup was just as impressive as it had less power than the RS but on the lap was not that much slower. I’ve raced against as few RS/S in a 996 Cup. On saying that, in some ways they were easier to race as once you got in front it was easier to defend. The GT2 was a different deal. It would just blast past as soon as you exited the corner!
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