Quick blat in the new manual '3

[TDT]

Slippydiff said:

Or if you can't, you sell them David ....

To be fair, you get to break even at some point. Then it make more sense to spend the money you would have spent on mods on a car that doesn’t have the same deficiencies.

[Slickhillsy]

Interesting review sir.

Dare I say it but with the GT3 (potentially) being blown from now on could the old 997.2 3.8 Mezger be the high point in tactile GT3's?

[Porsche911R]

TDT said:

To be fair, you get to break even at some point. Then it make more sense to spend the money you would have spent on mods on a car that doesn’t have the same deficiencies.

every car is built to a price so every car can be modded for the better,

I limit my spend to about £8k as I don't have a true keeper, if it's a £20k project then I would rather put that towards another car.

hence why I have got a GT3 and not put £20k into a GT4.

If I bought an older GT3 I could easy spend £20k on that it's a flawed road use car imo as is.

[Porsche911R]

Slippydiff said:

Or if you can't, you sell them David ....

It's down to price if £3 or £4k would transform it then yep get it done, if a car needs £30k.....nope... we both priced up a Cayman R project it could eat £35k so a no go. fix the geo and brakes and just drive the thing as is.

I priced up doing my perfect 997.2 C2S was about £31k ! on top of the car but than a 997.2 GTS is £80k and I would rather a 997.2 C2s for £50k and £30k mods than a GTS that's for sure. but as I don't buy keepers atm doing a £30k mod project is not for me at this time.

[Porsche911R]

Slickhillsy said:

Interesting review sir.

Dare I say it but with the GT3 (potentially) being blown from now on could the old 997.2 3.8 Mezger be the high point in tactile GT3's?

I don't like the PASM or the log ratio's on that car, but yes with £15k to fix the flaws maybe so.

but then you could say the 997.1 GT3 is the better drivers car and it's £30k cheaper ... fit the flaws be a nice thing.

[LaSource]

Think we are over thinking the flaws thing here. Quirks maybe, not flaws.

Usually the base car needs to be 'good enough'..the mods are then to hone it to one's desired use - road trips, vmax events, track days, etc all demand different types of mods.

...spending tens of thousands to 'fix a car' yes is not best economy...

[RSVP911]

Well I spent an extremely enjoyable morning hooning around the PEC today in the Crayon Manual GT3 - I absolutly loved the car.
As the day wore on, we bonded and I got faster and faster and by the end it was moving around at quite a pace.

The car is extremely well engineered, the steering / bum feel is excellent and the engine is really sublime. The clutch is light (so much lighter than my 981 Spyder/ my old GT4) and the gearshift is precise - not rifle bolt like on a 997.2RS but very nice all the same. It’s raw and powerful and has plenty of low down torque. However, you never feel out of control like you might in a 997.2 RS - it’s on your side , helping you drive well - it moves around a lot but in a very controlled “known” fashion - it’s your friend : the 997.2 RS wants to punish you if you get it wrong - it’s like you’ve let it down - the 3 is far more forgiving in his respect.

I then picked my car up in the afternoon from Maxprotect in Kings Langley - Perfect PPF and protection - decals from Rick at HGH , thanks to Rick and Janis at MP - excellent service - perfect job.

It’s been a good day

Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 17th March 08:22

[MDL111]

LaSource said:

Think we are over thinking the flaws thing here. Quirks maybe, not flaws.

Usually the base car needs to be 'good enough'..the mods are then to hone it to one's desired use - road trips, vmax events, track days, etc all demand different types of mods.

...spending tens of thousands to 'fix a car' yes is not best economy...

Possibly the most fun though :-)
Wish it was not that difficult in germany

[felixgogo]

cmoose - thanks your write-ups are always worth a read.

I would love to read your view on the 'T', as I think this is the real hero of the range now. Can someone kindly let cmoose drive their 'T'?

[terryb]

RSVP911 said:

Well I spent an extremely enjoyable morning hooning around the PEC today in the Crayon Manual GT3 - I absolutly loved the car.
As the day wore on, we bonded and I got faster and faster and by the end it was moving around at quite a pace.

The car is extremely well engineered, the steering / bum feel is excellent and the engine is really sublime. The clutch is light (so much lighter than my 981 Spyder/ my old GT4) and the gearshift is precise - not rifle bolt like on a 997.2RS but very nice all the same. It’s raw and powerful and has plenty of low down torque. However, you never feel out of control like you might in a 997.2 RS - it’s on your side , helping you drive well - it moves around a lot on the lot but in a very controlled “known” fashion - it’s your friend : the RS wants to punish you if you get it wrong - it’s like you’ve let it down - the 3 is far more forgiving in his respect.

I then picked my car up in the afternoon from Maxprotect in Kings Langley - Perfect PPF and protection - decals from Rick at HGH , thanks to Rick and Janis at MP - excellent service - perfect job.

It’s been a good day

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 16th March 20:48

Great news Rich - but you need to post pics

In my view, the manual .2GT3 is a better drive than the 997.2RS - which I put down a lot to the chassis/ PASM and the way the whole package works out of the box. The RS feels soft in comparison and the steering is too light at the straight ahead. I think you will bond with the .2 manual over time and love it - I really think they have nailed the electric steering, PASM and just the whole package. And I really think a 911 doesn’t get much better looking than this..

[RSVP911]

terryb said:

RSVP911 said:

Well I spent an extremely enjoyable morning hooning around the PEC today in the Crayon Manual GT3 - I absolutly loved the car.
As the day wore on, we bonded and I got faster and faster and by the end it was moving around at quite a pace.

The car is extremely well engineered, the steering / bum feel is excellent and the engine is really sublime. The clutch is light (so much lighter than my 981 Spyder/ my old GT4) and the gearshift is precise - not rifle bolt like on a 997.2RS but very nice all the same. It’s raw and powerful and has plenty of low down torque. However, you never feel out of control like you might in a 997.2 RS - it’s on your side , helping you drive well - it moves around a lot on the lot but in a very controlled “known” fashion - it’s your friend : the RS wants to punish you if you get it wrong - it’s like you’ve let it down - the 3 is far more forgiving in his respect.

I then picked my car up in the afternoon from Maxprotect in Kings Langley - Perfect PPF and protection - decals from Rick at HGH , thanks to Rick and Janis at MP - excellent service - perfect job.

It’s been a good day

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 16th March 20:48

Great news Rich - but you need to post pics

In my view, the manual .2GT3 is a better drive than the 997.2RS - which I put down a lot to the chassis/ PASM and the way the whole package works out of the box. The RS feels soft in comparison and the steering is too light at the straight ahead. I think you will bond with the .2 manual over time and love it - I really think they have nailed the electric steering, PASM and just the whole package. And I really think a 911 doesn’t get much better looking than this..

Bonded already I absolutly loved it - I guess I was just using the 997.2RS as a reference point as they are similar in lots of ways from cost to buy (overs) throught to both being manual GT cars - the best thing for me is, although on paper they are similar, in the real world they felt very different to me - I agree 8 years of development has, some would argue, really “improved” the driving experience and there is no doubt the 991.2 GT3 is easier to drive on track and especially every day and as such, in the hands of most, it is the more “capable” car - I didn’t mention turn in in my original post, but the new car is so much “easier” in this respect for example.

But as I say, they are different and that’s really great as the 997.2 RS is still more of an event IMHO and as such, it is such a special thing and in my mind remains one of Porsche’s finest - space and funds permitting both would sit very happily together.

Re pictures : Didnt want to dump a load in this thread - however very happy to do so on the other one - in fact, I already have

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[AndrewD]

To me the engine is a masterpiece. Rich mid range and 9000 rpm howl makes it a better road car for me than if you always have to keep it in a rev range, which is more likely on track.

[RSVP911]

AndrewD said:

To me the engine is a masterpiece. Rich mid range and 9000 rpm howl makes it a better road car for me than if you always have to keep it in a rev range, which is more likely on track.

Agree - the engine is sublime

[LaSource]

RSVP911 said:

Agree - the engine is sublime

Did you wait till 09:11 to post that?

Yes a great engine that does seem to rev forever when driving it. Though on reflection it is only some 500rpm more than previous ones so not sure if we forget that in the excitement or 500rpm makes a material difference.

Edited by LaSource on Saturday 17th March 09:30

[Koln-RS]

I'd also be interested in how good the 'T' really is, but I do think any example would need to be correctly specd, and at an acceptable price point, to fit its remit. Purity should be key.

I had a short acquaintance with a GT3 manual (Touring), last week - from the passenger seat. 250 mls - motorway, city, A/B roads.
This one was still being running-in, so limited to c.5k rpm. But, no question that it is an epic evolution of the 911.

As everyone says, the engine is awesome - 8-9000 rpm must be incredible. You can sense the specialness all the time. Superb chassis, and copes so well with most of our road conditions. What most impressed me was how much enjoyment it delivered within sensible speeds.

[RSVP911]

LaSource said:

RSVP911 said:

Agree - the engine is sublime

Did you wait till 09:11 to post that?

Yes a great engine that does seem to rev forever when driving it. Though on reflection it is only some 500rpm more than previous ones so not sure if we forget that in the excitement or 500rpm makes a material difference.

Edited by LaSource on Saturday 17th March 09:30

Happy coincidence

Don’t know about the technical side and someone will show me a graph saying I’m wrong which is fair enough, but the PEC car felt like it had more low down torque to me vs. my old 991.1 GT3/RS - I may have been imagining it but I don’t think so.

Looks like it’s the end of an era though - such a shame as I think one day people will look back on this car very fondly : lots of talk about the 992 being non NA - I’m sure the new one will be “better” whilst also being “worse” - Interesting times

Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 17th March 09:44

[franki68]

Usually I do miss the old fashioned feel and size of older cars when I am in something new.
Not with this gt3 , the car is still small enough for our roads ,and the car is just sensational in every respect .
Keeping it below 4K at the moment and even then it’s lots of fun.
The drivetrain is otherworldly .

[Lee GT]

All versions of the GT3 will be regarded as great cars, to different people, but as technology moves forward it’s the new versions that are released that make the older ones more appealing to the ‘purists’. As an owner of exactly the same car as posted, I much prefer it to the 991.1, it’s in a different league and so much more pleasure to drive!

[Digga]

franki68 said:

Usually I do miss the old fashioned feel and size of older cars when I am in something new.

IMHO the 991, in general, does a very good job of not feeling 'too big'. In the real world, in the UK at least, some of the contemporary competition can sometimes feel dauntingly wide.

As for the 991.2 engine; can't wait to sample one. I thought the .1 made a decent fist of keeping the mid-range entertaining, so am interested to see the improvement.

[franki68]

Digga said:

franki68 said:

Usually I do miss the old fashioned feel and size of older cars when I am in something new.

IMHO the 991, in general, does a very good job of not feeling 'too big'. In the real world, in the UK at least, some of the contemporary competition can sometimes feel dauntingly wide.

As for the 991.2 engine; can't wait to sample one. I thought the .1 made a decent fist of keeping the mid-range entertaining, so am interested to see the improvement.

Day and night ,the gen 1 I drove lacked torque to me,and you needed to rag it to make it fun, the newer engine means the car is enjoyable more of the time .
I live in the countryside with a lot of single track and narrow roads and the size is no issue ,I see Ferrari drivers looking terrified as they thread their cars down some of these roads ,this is not an issue with the 991.