Quick blat in the new manual '3

[Geneve]

I've been lucky to have driven over 1/4 million miles in 911s, inc most variants from 2.7RS to the latest 991.2GT3 manual. The one thing I would say is, they all improve with mileage.

Lots of judgements will be made on virtually new examples, but, I guarantee, the chassis, gearbox, engine and the whole cohesive feel of the car will get even better with familiarity and miles.

[Porsche911R]

Geneve said:

I've been lucky to have driven over 1/4 million miles in 911s, inc most variants from 2.7RS to the latest 991.2GT3 manual. The one thing I would say is, they all improve with mileage.

Lots of judgements will be made on virtually new examples, but, I guarantee, the chassis, gearbox, engine and the whole cohesive feel of the car will get even better with familiarity and miles.

this my GT4 felt lazy untill 5k miles, my 981 Spyder now has 9k and feels crazy now, I have zero 3.8 engine issues even if people do say detuned get some miles on the things and they free up so much you would not think it were the same car.

[browngt3]

I don't think any modern Porsche will have the feel, involvement and character of the old air cooled cars. However it may be contrived but you have to applaud Porsche for still offering n/a with a manual box. For a modern car it's also brimming with charisma. Yes it's very different to the old cars but has a character of its own and is a deeply impressive drivers car.

I'm still at the getting to know you stage with mine but looking forward to bonding with plenty of fast miles!

[Digga]

browngt3 said:

I don't think any modern Porsche will have the feel, involvement and character of the old air cooled cars. However it may be contrived but you have to applaud Porsche for still offering n/a with a manual box. For a modern car it's also brimming with charisma. Yes it's very different to the old cars but has a character of its own and is a deeply impressive drivers car.

Very valid points.

I've mentioned before, a mate sold his Ferrari 458 spider last year,Meath the intent of getting one of the first of some 488 variant. We've known each other since we were kids , so there's no room for bullst or pretence and he admitted quite openly that:

1. he should not have sold his car. (I'm not really 'into' Ferraris, but it looked beautiful.)
2. the 488 was faster, but much less exciting.
3. the price of his 458 went up after he sold it; proof positive of the market's confirmation of above points.

For now, at least, the development of the GT3 has not gone down that cul de sac.

[hunter 66]

I have the very first GT3 RS model an 01 , H pattern Box , no ABS , no traction or any electronic aids .... so completely analogue and have the latest GT3 RS coming .......so a good comparison of nearly 20 years of development ...

[RSVP911]

hunter 66 said:

I have the very first GT3 RS model an 01 , H pattern Box , no ABS , no traction or any electronic aids .... so completely analogue and have the latest GT3 RS coming .......so a good comparison of nearly 20 years of development ...

Will be interesting to hear your thoughts

[browngt3]

hunter 66 said:

I have the very first GT3 RS model an 01 , H pattern Box , no ABS , no traction or any electronic aids .... so completely analogue and have the latest GT3 RS coming .......so a good comparison of nearly 20 years of development ...

You're very lucky to be able to keep both. Wish I could have kept my old 996 GT3. Perfect stable mates with the new car as you suggest. Still, can't complain as I have a couple of air cooled to complement the new one!

[TGETV]

Regarding mention of the 'T' earlier on - I've had mine 10 days now and it's far surpassed my expectations.
I ticked/kept all the unique options I could - rear axle steer, full buckets/no back seats, lightweight glass, manual etc etc and couldn't be happier with it as a exceptionally enjoyable road car. I also got OPC to fit OEM spacers pre collection & arch fill is now perfect. Off to the alps soon and can't wait. Regarding the size thing someone said earlier; it feels (probably more mental than anything) a smaller car - with the narrow body and no wing etc. That's probably just me being odd though.
GT3 still would have cost me circa £70k more, (and I specced the hell out of my T) as couldn't get a list slot, and I'm now not sure the T is any less fun for a road hoon. Certainly very liveable with too.
7th gear is redundant unless you're motorway cruising but otherwise I think the box is very good - I just treat as a 6 speed unless I'm cruising & want to save fuel & chill out. You can't go into 7th by accident anyway, only accessible from 6th, very deliberately.
Waffling but the T is a laugh and well worth a look into. Feels a lot quicker than I expected too, really thumps along.

[dvshannow]

terryb said:

RSVP911 said:

Well I spent an extremely enjoyable morning hooning around the PEC today in the Crayon Manual GT3 - I absolutly loved the car.
As the day wore on, we bonded and I got faster and faster and by the end it was moving around at quite a pace.

The car is extremely well engineered, the steering / bum feel is excellent and the engine is really sublime. The clutch is light (so much lighter than my 981 Spyder/ my old GT4) and the gearshift is precise - not rifle bolt like on a 997.2RS but very nice all the same. It’s raw and powerful and has plenty of low down torque. However, you never feel out of control like you might in a 997.2 RS - it’s on your side , helping you drive well - it moves around a lot on the lot but in a very controlled “known” fashion - it’s your friend : the RS wants to punish you if you get it wrong - it’s like you’ve let it down - the 3 is far more forgiving in his respect.

I then picked my car up in the afternoon from Maxprotect in Kings Langley - Perfect PPF and protection - decals from Rick at HGH , thanks to Rick and Janis at MP - excellent service - perfect job.

It’s been a good day

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 16th March 20:48

Great news Rich - but you need to post pics

In my view, the manual .2GT3 is a better drive than the 997.2RS - which I put down a lot to the chassis/ PASM and the way the whole package works out of the box. The RS feels soft in comparison and the steering is too light at the straight ahead. I think you will bond with the .2 manual over time and love it - I really think they have nailed the electric steering, PASM and just the whole package. And I really think a 911 doesn’t get much better looking than this..

Its a great looking car... for a track i love the looks on the road imo a 911 looks better with no rear wing. I dont know why not sure its logical but thats just how i think.

[Porsche911R]

dvshannow said:

Its a great looking car... for a track i love the looks on the road imo a 911 looks better with no rear wing. I dont know why not sure its logical but thats just how i think.

GT cars have to have wings other wise it's not a GT car imo

[dvshannow]

anonymous said:

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To be pendantic he said its not a GT car in his opinion but i agree with you why does a GT car need a wing. Actually a GT touring would be my pick of a GT car right now for the use the car would likely get in the next few years.

[Slippydiff]

anonymous said:

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Peter's 2001 RS looks like this :



And sounds like this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEqaWOp_nwM

Rest assured, no ABS J

[hunter 66]

anonymous said:

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Not the first models the FIA race cars fro 01 which raced in GTN where ABS was banned so needed good control of brake bias ...

[hunter 66]

Yes Slippy , shame all the great footage was on really slippery conditions as the engine like some revs ...although nor too many ..... we have epic on board from Daytona last year and tested the megaphones made 127 db on drive by .....

[Slippydiff]

hunter 66 said:

Yes Slippy , shame all the great footage was on really slippery conditions as the engine like some revs ...although nor too many ..... we have epic on board from Daytona last year and tested the megaphones made 127 db on drive by .....

I was watching/chatting with Matty as he was dressing the new engine yesterday with his usual attention to detail. It’ll be a stunning install when it’s completed.
I’ve asked Matty to let me know when he fires the car up Peter, I imagine it sounds epic on open megaphones !!

[Steve Rance]

hunter 66 said:

Not the first models the FIA race cars fro 01 which raced in GTN where ABS was banned so needed good control of brake bias ...

Nicer without it I think. Once you’ve worked out how to make the bias to work for you.

[hunter 66]

Slippydiff said:

I was watching/chatting with Matty as he was dressing the new engine yesterday with his usual attention to detail. It’ll be a stunning install when it’s completed.
I’ve asked Matty to let me know when he fires the car up Peter, I imagine it sounds epic on open megaphones !!

Yes it looks amazing a work of art , Matt at Fearnsport is really a Porsche nut as well , hopefully soon ..

[v8ksn]

hunter 66 said:

I have the very first GT3 RS model an 01 , H pattern Box , no ABS , no traction or any electronic aids .... so completely analogue and have the latest GT3 RS coming .......so a good comparison of nearly 20 years of development ...

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts

Did you own any of the interveining 997 GT3 range?

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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why ?

I Threshold brake to avoid ABS and can stop faster than a ABS car, if the car gets out of shape locking the wheels also pulls you straight and in the snow well ABS sucks, hit a bump pre bend (quite common on B roads now) ABS will trigger and add meters to your stopping distance.

I would rather not have it (or have a switch to turn it off) and on track its dangerous as you can loose braking on bumps and invoke "ice mode" we call it !

I guess if you have 1" brake pedal travel you might find it harder with the GT3 MC fitted ......... but it's very easy on a pedal with a bigger range, that's just maths.

try driving a nice BMW 318is or some thing pre ABS it's really nice to be able to lock the wheels and not have ABS cut in on bumps.

I find it odd you hate driver aids but a fan of ABS !

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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You either love cars and want to learn how to drive as they can be a nice hobby, I live for them and have petrol for blood..

Or wishing for SAE level 5 ASAP. Seems most people want PDK , PSM, PTV and self park these days !

ABS is not a nice thing esp on track days , does my head in hence the need to master threshold braking.

Does not make me a hero lol , it makes me an keen enthusiast to better myself and skills to enjoy my hobby more.