Future of the 911

Future of the 911

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dvshannow

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1,581 posts

137 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Given the 911 has been going for over 59y now what do people think about the fact all cars sold prob in 10y time will be EVs.

How does the 911 adapt it has gone watercooled and turbo but the engine in the back is key to the concept of 911.

What will a fully electric 911 be, will they put batteries where the engine used to be to replicate the weight effect?

Will we accept this saying oh well its faster and more composed?

What does this mean for current 911s? Is the 911 destined finally to end in the not too distant future?


RATATTAK

11,142 posts

190 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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dvshannow said:
Is the 911 destined finally to end in the not too distant future?
Hope so, and then the existing cars will increase in value

arcamalpha

1,075 posts

165 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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I think there’s space for an electric 911. Ferrari etc might struggle without an engine you can point at, but I think the market will be strong for a small (ish) practical 2+2 electric sports car. Porsche have a good name for tech so will likely do a good job of electric. Batteries over the rear is a possibility too, and they’ll continue to sell the benefits of weight over rear wheels.

Jim1556

1,771 posts

157 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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dvshannow said:
Given the 911 has been going for over 59y now what do people think about the fact all cars sold prob in 10y time will be EVs.
I fking hope not! It'll be a cold day in hell when I buy an electric POS! EVs are not the way forward! Turbos I can stomach, but cars are the cleanest they've ever been, far more than in the 80s, 90s etc. Battery cars pollute just as much as ICE cars through mining and being transported...

Nick981

190 posts

101 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Hybrid - so the engine will still be there and there will be electric motors either at the front or on each axle.

dvshannow

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137 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Nick981 said:
Hybrid - so the engine will still be there and there will be electric motors either at the front or on each axle.
Hybrids are a stopgap that will not be around long

nimmo12

27 posts

108 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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infallibly insightful


Pericoloso

44,044 posts

164 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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It's not 59yo.

It's 50th birthday was 2013.....readit

dvshannow

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137 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Pericoloso said:
It's not 59yo.

It's 50th birthday was 2013.....readit
I know 59 was a typo for 50 on my phone

Reg pre post ok maybe not all will be buti do think EVs will move a lot faster than most people think today.

VW have announced more investment than tesla into EVs. As soon as they make financial sense the masses buying cars as white goods will only buy EV. This is close a non car company tesla is already almost there with the Model 3.

In 5y time EVs will be financially cheaper so then its just how quickly manufacturers can ramp supply.

So 10y is possible but it will be before 20y most likely.

Anyway we are talking next gen after 992 is what 994?

Dammit

3,790 posts

209 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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I can easily see myself having a still in an outhouse in 10 years in order to fuel my (moderately old) 911 with methanol.

Be interesting to see the pace of electrification.

hunter 66

3,910 posts

221 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Having driven and raced 911 cars for 25 years I love them .... but now I also own a Tesla X ( wife/family car ) and EV's are simply amazing but luckily I have been tempted into a last ICE 911 ...... and happily awaiting a new RS.

dvshannow

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1,581 posts

137 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Well the new car market can change fast but the lifecycle of old cars will add another 10-20y for sure modern cars last a while now.

I would expect to see some attractive gov schemes to scrap 10y old cars for a new electric to entice older polluting cars off the road.

throt

3,058 posts

171 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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And a even steeper emission tax bought in for the use of our beloveds..

Imagine....

DJMC

3,438 posts

104 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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RATATTAK said:
Hope so, and then the existing cars will increase in value
Until petrol is £20,000 a litre when nobody sells it on the high street.

Values of all classics will then plummet.

But don't panic. That's some years ahead. Just get out while you (or your children) can, or get burnt.

Olivera

7,161 posts

240 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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arcamalpha said:
Batteries over the rear is a possibility too, and they’ll continue to sell the benefits of weight over rear wheels.
Batteries over the rear wheels only would need to be stacked vertically to fit, which is an utterly crud solution compared to flat across the floor like a modern EV.

An EV 911 would just be a badge engineering exercise.

RDMcG

19,192 posts

208 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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I believe that the 992 is designed to have space for hybrid gear- no pure EV on this model.

Personally have no interest in a 911 EV, - will keep what I have now. However, a Mission E isa not inconceivable.

Cheib

23,286 posts

176 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Totally agree....the infrastructure burden of widespread EV useage will be massive. I lived in London for twenty years with on street parking so it’s a lottery where you park....how do you plug your car in when it’s 100 yards up the road ?! Give everyone an allocated space ? Not that easy when they’re are literally more cars than spaces.

But the real issue for the UK is production of electricity by the National Grid and whether the existing/planned generation and transmission infrastructure can cope with widespread EV. Last I read the UK’s generation infrastructure is under serious pressure as it is with coal fired power stations going off line and similarly the existing nuclear power stations built in the 60’s due for retirement. All those Green Peace protestors in the 80’s campaigning for no nuclear power where are you now? Wanting coal fired generation wasn’t the right call for the environment was it ?!?!

hunter 66

3,910 posts

221 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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With no off street parking at the moment there is no issue with charging living in London... lots of alternatives and free CZ as well as massive reduction in parking costs . Coming to Central London daily would save about 15k per annum ( without taking fuel into account ) in EV at the moment but that will not last .
But still like my ICE.....
Here is my engine going back into the car..



ooid

4,107 posts

101 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Cheib said:
Totally agree....the infrastructure burden of widespread EV useage will be massive. I lived in London for twenty years with on street parking so it’s a lottery where you park....how do you plug your car in when it’s 100 yards up the road ?! Give everyone an allocated space ? Not that easy when they’re are literally more cars than spaces.
I was thinking this would be an issue but loads of supercharging points and big stations started to show up everywhere. There are about two tesla superchargers near me (East London). I think the charging will be way quicker and compact soon.

Similarly near west end loads of small charging points now.Blimey, So tempting to get a low-mile I8 than 911 nowadays hehe

EarlX99

64 posts

79 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Why ev and not hydrogen fuel cell? At least you wouldn’t have to wait hours for a full tank!