Future of the 911
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That is a dream petrol ownership costs are only going up from here.
This is why i think lower end stuff has limitied longer term appeal maintaining and using something like an s2000 just wont be viable and most will be scrapped until they are rare enough to be collector cars
The newest gen cars are way too complex also
Charging will be integrated into roads under parking bays and all charged to accounts automatically though we are talking maybe 20y timescale
This is why i think lower end stuff has limitied longer term appeal maintaining and using something like an s2000 just wont be viable and most will be scrapped until they are rare enough to be collector cars
The newest gen cars are way too complex also
Charging will be integrated into roads under parking bays and all charged to accounts automatically though we are talking maybe 20y timescale
EVs are absolutely NOT the way forward! IMO...
They just move pollution somewhere else.
Most normal people can't afford a new(ish) car.
They have crap range (still).
Sound crap!
Batteries don't last (charge droop).
Add too much weight.
Poorer countries are 20-30 years behind us, so from a pollution point of view, it's nonsensical!
They just move pollution somewhere else.
Most normal people can't afford a new(ish) car.
They have crap range (still).
Sound crap!
Batteries don't last (charge droop).
Add too much weight.
Poorer countries are 20-30 years behind us, so from a pollution point of view, it's nonsensical!
ooid said:
Cheib said:
Totally agree....the infrastructure burden of widespread EV useage will be massive. I lived in London for twenty years with on street parking so it’s a lottery where you park....how do you plug your car in when it’s 100 yards up the road ?! Give everyone an allocated space ? Not that easy when they’re are literally more cars than spaces.
I was thinking this would be an issue but loads of supercharging points and big stations started to show up everywhere. There are about two tesla superchargers near me (East London). I think the charging will be way quicker and compact soon. When cars are driverless and the company that provides the driving software provides the insurance then that will be a start of the real revolution. Only a few specialists will provide insurance for those high risk fallible types that actually drive themselves.
anonymous said:
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Think whole life pollution. Lithium mining is massively polluting, plus transporting it for refinement and battery manufacturing. Coupled with a useable life of 7ish years before needing recycling (how long does a mobile phone/laptop battery last before only 40-50% efficiency?).Not to mention, if an average person has 1 or two batteries weighing a few hundred grams, translate that to everyone owning an EV with several hundred kilos, makes it unworkable. That's without the infrastructure improvements needed...
Leaving aside the problems of battery production and disposal, pollution from electricity generation, re-charging points (how long have the been trying and failing to introduce countrywide decent broadband?) etc, there’s the small question of fuel tax. Depending on who you believe, the government current rakes in between £30-50bn a year in fuel tax. What will they replace that with? A vehicle specific electric fuel tax? How long would it take for people to devise a way to bypass recharging points and use a domestic source? Or will non driving electricity users have to subsidise motorists? I can see that going down well...
hunter 66 said:
It is simple the naysayers have never owned a good EV .....
Hope I never do, no interest whatsoever! Soul-less boxes!!!hunter 66 said:
...and yes moving the pollution out of cities makes sense and saves lives ...
If it was only about that, they'd be banning ALL ICE vehicles and forcing public transport on everyone who commutes into mass urban centres!Thankfully, most of us don't live in London, or big cities, and I'm lucky enough not to work near any major sprawl.
I agree, pollution is bad, BUT, until we have a workable solution that doesn't cripple the common man, petrol (in it's rather quite efficient, hardly polluting current guise), not diesel (disgusting fuel that it is, but cheaper to run for average joe doing 10k+ miles a year), is going to be the forerunner for the majority of the country, for many years to come!
Weathly people driving a zero emission 911 (a rather sad day) or the likes, does the square root of f
k all when it comes to consumption/emission of the country.The UK could emit nothing in terms of CO2 (not that it's a pollutant, plants love it!), globally, it'd make half a % of bugger all of a difference!!! Except to those fortunate few in their £1m+ houses who'd now feel good about themselves, looking down on the rest of us oiks, whilst also not giving 2 f
ks where their lithium comes from, cos that's someone else's problem!!!
Having lived with one for a year now .... that is just my opinion they are no hassle at all to use in fact easier than ICE and pleasant to drive , fast , handle well , smooth .
I love 911's and have GT cars .... it is just the EV is much better in town . Charging 100 miles only takes 20 mins so 1 coffee and a quick flip through Porsche World .
I love 911's and have GT cars .... it is just the EV is much better in town . Charging 100 miles only takes 20 mins so 1 coffee and a quick flip through Porsche World .
hunter 66 said:
Having lived with one for a year now .... that is just my opinion they are no hassle at all to use in fact easier than ICE and pleasant to drive , fast , handle well , smooth .
I love 911's and have GT cars .... it is just the EV is much better in town . Charging 100 miles only takes 20 mins so 1 coffee and a quick flip through Porsche World .
Hunter no good where i live,they dont like hills!I love 911's and have GT cars .... it is just the EV is much better in town . Charging 100 miles only takes 20 mins so 1 coffee and a quick flip through Porsche World .
On a serious note,electric cars suck with batterys and green nonsense.Having seen a glacier that receded 18km in a couple of years,after planning a world altitude record in the Himalayas,the lake was even further up the mountain by time we got there!
While chasing rivers and Seeing the chilean Andes many rivers starting from Glaciers,glaciers receding every where,polar ice cap suffering and the ozone depletion over Chile ,main cause north american pollution,no one ever looks at the bigger picture especially in what some consider 3rd world countries.
Enjoy electric cars while thinking its the green way.
Personally I don't have anything against EVs and even find the new tech mildly interesting. They will never replace my 911s though and I hope never to see an all EV 911!
Whether or not EV is a good solution for our wider transportation needs is another thing entirely. Unfortunately the issue as with most things is clouded by politics and vested interests.
The earlier point about battery mining, Life and disposal is a valid one. Also the issue of producing electricity in the first place. There seems little point in moving the problem to another geographical location. Nice if you live in a city but that's shortsighted.
I read this morning that the Cornwall wave hub has used more electricity in its 8 years than its produced. Granted it's still a prototype but windfarms also use more energy being constructed than they typically produce during their life span.
If I recall correctly an EV will take 8 years of use before it becomes a net environmental benefit compared to an ICE. And then at what point will it need new batteries.
No easy solutions then...
Whether or not EV is a good solution for our wider transportation needs is another thing entirely. Unfortunately the issue as with most things is clouded by politics and vested interests.
The earlier point about battery mining, Life and disposal is a valid one. Also the issue of producing electricity in the first place. There seems little point in moving the problem to another geographical location. Nice if you live in a city but that's shortsighted.
I read this morning that the Cornwall wave hub has used more electricity in its 8 years than its produced. Granted it's still a prototype but windfarms also use more energy being constructed than they typically produce during their life span.
If I recall correctly an EV will take 8 years of use before it becomes a net environmental benefit compared to an ICE. And then at what point will it need new batteries.
No easy solutions then...
anonymous said:
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Largely agree with the points you raise. My point however was these issues are distorted by politics and some misinformation. EV can be part of the solution maybe even an interim solution but not necessarily the ONLY solution.
Really don't care what they come up with as long as it's not forced upon us. I hope to drive my old 911s long into the future until they drag me off to a care home!
AW111 said:
I think it would be interesting if Porsche did a radically downsized EV 911.
Something close to the original dimensions, and as light as possible given the technology. No need for Tesla-beating performance or luxury : focus on being a proper sports car.
Technically interesting but that's all. Emotionally it would be a very sad day. Something close to the original dimensions, and as light as possible given the technology. No need for Tesla-beating performance or luxury : focus on being a proper sports car.
Also it most definitely wouldn't be light. Certainly not with today's tech
AW111 said:
I think it would be interesting if Porsche did a radically downsized EV 911.
Something close to the original dimensions, and as light as possible given the technology. No need for Tesla-beating performance or luxury : focus on being a proper sports car.
356b coupe with Electric, would be a fantastic daily. It would totally kill golf and polo market though so VW would not like it I guess...Something close to the original dimensions, and as light as possible given the technology. No need for Tesla-beating performance or luxury : focus on being a proper sports car.
ooid said:
AW111 said:
I think it would be interesting if Porsche did a radically downsized EV 911.
Something close to the original dimensions, and as light as possible given the technology. No need for Tesla-beating performance or luxury : focus on being a proper sports car.
356b coupe with Electric, would be a fantastic daily. It would totally kill golf and polo market though so VW would not like it I guess...Something close to the original dimensions, and as light as possible given the technology. No need for Tesla-beating performance or luxury : focus on being a proper sports car.
hunter 66 said:
Yellow EV's love hills with all the torque .......
Imagine new 911 GT3 RSEV ...... in 2022 ......lap time at the Ring 6.30 ...0-60 1.5 secs ..
In between all the nonsense about green cars,which will never be hunter,porsche have basicaly stopped most or all development of new fossile fuel cars to concentrate on EV,which is very sad but a way of the future for now.Imagine new 911 GT3 RSEV ...... in 2022 ......lap time at the Ring 6.30 ...0-60 1.5 secs ..
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