CGT Major Service
Discussion
Guys, many thanks for all the positive comments, it’s good to know that you don’t necessarily have to own a CGT to be fascinated by the minutiae of what goes into making this extraordinary car so very special.
One or two points missed of the original post.
I do keep it on a battery conditioner. However the normal short range standard cables need to be modified as the positive terminal is a long way from the negative on the back of the gearbox.
My plan had been to drive the car down to Reading for its service but when it came to start the battery was completely dead. Odd really as the Ctek was still showing fully charged. The battery itself is located just in front of the offside rear wheel, which has to be removed to access the battery. Handed centre locks mean that whipping the wheel off and slotting in a Halfords special is not really an option. Jump starting for me also not an option because the engine cover was shut and would not release on the electric switch. When Kris collected the car he came equipped with a starter pack which he first connected to an electrical access point in the driver’s footwell. Even he said it was awkward to get at so my decision to stay well out of it felt more than justified. Somewhere down here I understand.
Checking the past history showed the battery to be over 7 years old so it had done pretty well and a replacement was clearly due. Let’s be fair Porsche OEM Moll batteries do not have the best reputation, plenty of threads on PH to attest to that. And as it was never possible to get an extended warranty on the CGT there is no warranty to be affected so why not put in a decent battery?
However, nothing is that simple. Although there is no official warranty there is a tacit understanding that PAG will give fair consideration to any latent defects provided proper maintenance has been observed. I know that some cars have had new camshafts resulting from undue pitting on the wearing surfaces. Seen in this light, the cost of a Moll battery, for which acid is £16.76 plus VAT extra, is a minor price to pay for playing the game according to the unwritten rules.
Another issue I discussed with Reading was the rear spoiler which left up overnight will sink down to its closed position. I may be wrong on the actual figure but believe that at high speed the spoiler can exert 640lbs of downforce (Road and Track). Not something you would want to suddenly go AWOL on the Autobahn. As it turns out, the spoiler rises under hydraulic pressure against a spring. It will then remain in place until either the road speed reduces or the pressure in the system gradually dissipates with time. So one would have to be travelling at sustained high speeds over a long period of time for it to be an issue. Slow down for traffic or a comfort break and the spoiler will be good for another couple of hours as soon as it is reset. I will get it fixed but the parts are on back order and at £2.5k for the pump alone I’m in no particular rush.
I’ve included a couple of other details which may be of interest. Clearly back in the early 2000’s the accountants were busy working on the launch of the Cayenne leaving the engineers to design in neat little details into the CGT engine compartment hence toolkit and warning triangle.
One or two people have politely enquired about costs. When considering these one has to bear in mind that items are often needed in 10’s. The other thing is that the car is a mix of part numbers and if it has a P980 series part number then it won’t be cheap. So for example the oil filter is a P996 part and costs £17.14 whereas the gearbox oil filter is a P980 and costs £173.75, adjusting shims P980 of course are £10.17 each; all plus VAT.
Without going into fine detail, the Major Service and additional parts were less than £10k including VAT and the total cost of all maintenance over the 12 years and 41k miles is just under £40k.
Finally, the engine back in place
And the view from the driver’s seat.
Cheers
One or two points missed of the original post.
I do keep it on a battery conditioner. However the normal short range standard cables need to be modified as the positive terminal is a long way from the negative on the back of the gearbox.
My plan had been to drive the car down to Reading for its service but when it came to start the battery was completely dead. Odd really as the Ctek was still showing fully charged. The battery itself is located just in front of the offside rear wheel, which has to be removed to access the battery. Handed centre locks mean that whipping the wheel off and slotting in a Halfords special is not really an option. Jump starting for me also not an option because the engine cover was shut and would not release on the electric switch. When Kris collected the car he came equipped with a starter pack which he first connected to an electrical access point in the driver’s footwell. Even he said it was awkward to get at so my decision to stay well out of it felt more than justified. Somewhere down here I understand.
Checking the past history showed the battery to be over 7 years old so it had done pretty well and a replacement was clearly due. Let’s be fair Porsche OEM Moll batteries do not have the best reputation, plenty of threads on PH to attest to that. And as it was never possible to get an extended warranty on the CGT there is no warranty to be affected so why not put in a decent battery?
However, nothing is that simple. Although there is no official warranty there is a tacit understanding that PAG will give fair consideration to any latent defects provided proper maintenance has been observed. I know that some cars have had new camshafts resulting from undue pitting on the wearing surfaces. Seen in this light, the cost of a Moll battery, for which acid is £16.76 plus VAT extra, is a minor price to pay for playing the game according to the unwritten rules.
Another issue I discussed with Reading was the rear spoiler which left up overnight will sink down to its closed position. I may be wrong on the actual figure but believe that at high speed the spoiler can exert 640lbs of downforce (Road and Track). Not something you would want to suddenly go AWOL on the Autobahn. As it turns out, the spoiler rises under hydraulic pressure against a spring. It will then remain in place until either the road speed reduces or the pressure in the system gradually dissipates with time. So one would have to be travelling at sustained high speeds over a long period of time for it to be an issue. Slow down for traffic or a comfort break and the spoiler will be good for another couple of hours as soon as it is reset. I will get it fixed but the parts are on back order and at £2.5k for the pump alone I’m in no particular rush.
I’ve included a couple of other details which may be of interest. Clearly back in the early 2000’s the accountants were busy working on the launch of the Cayenne leaving the engineers to design in neat little details into the CGT engine compartment hence toolkit and warning triangle.
One or two people have politely enquired about costs. When considering these one has to bear in mind that items are often needed in 10’s. The other thing is that the car is a mix of part numbers and if it has a P980 series part number then it won’t be cheap. So for example the oil filter is a P996 part and costs £17.14 whereas the gearbox oil filter is a P980 and costs £173.75, adjusting shims P980 of course are £10.17 each; all plus VAT.
Without going into fine detail, the Major Service and additional parts were less than £10k including VAT and the total cost of all maintenance over the 12 years and 41k miles is just under £40k.
Finally, the engine back in place
And the view from the driver’s seat.
Cheers
Edited by lowndes on Friday 6th April 14:29
lowndes said:
One or two people have politely enquired about costs. When considering these one has to bear in mind that items are often needed in 10’s. The other thing is that the car is a mix of part numbers and if it has a P980 series part number then it won’t be cheap. So for example the oil filter is a P996 part and costs £17.14 whereas the gearbox oil filter is a P980 and costs £173.75, adjusting shims P980 of course are £10.17 each; all plus VAT.
Without going into fine detail, the Major Service and additional parts were less than £10k including VAT and the total cost of all maintenance over the 12 years and 41k miles is just under £40k.
Hence why it's one thing buying and yet another thing running such a beast. Very grateful there are still people who do actually use them though.Without going into fine detail, the Major Service and additional parts were less than £10k including VAT and the total cost of all maintenance over the 12 years and 41k miles is just under £40k.
I was overtaken by another PHer's CGT on one of my first ever laps of the Nurburgring, as I think you can tell, a V10 flypast is pretty exciting thing: https://youtu.be/WepPv0HUZD4?t=8m42s
isaldiri said:
The_Doc said:
but then they have doubled in price over the years, and owning one gets you a look-in on GT2 RS, GT3 etc etc
Nope it most certainly does not get one a look in to the current allocation game.lowndes said:
Guys, many thanks for all the positive comments, it’s good to know that you don’t necessarily have to own a CGT to be fascinated by the minutiae of what goes into making this extraordinary car so very special.
One or two points missed of the original post.
I do keep it on a battery conditioner. However the normal short range standard cables need to be modified as the positive terminal is a long way from the negative on the back of the gearbox.
My plan had been to drive the car down to Reading for its service but when it came to start the battery was completely dead. Odd really as the Ctek was still showing fully charged. The battery itself is located just in front of the offside rear wheel, which has to be removed to access the battery. Handed centre locks mean that whipping the wheel off and slotting in a Halfords special is not really an option. Jump starting for me also not an option because the engine cover was shut and would not release on the electric switch. When Kris collected the car he came equipped with a starter pack which he first connected to an electrical access point in the driver’s footwell. Even he said it was awkward to get at so my decision to stay well out of it felt more than justified. Somewhere down here I understand.
Checking the past history showed the battery to be over 7 years old so it had done pretty well and a replacement was clearly due. Let’s be fair Porsche OEM Moll batteries do not have the best reputation, plenty of threads on PH to attest to that. And as it was never possible to get an extended warranty on the CGT there is no warranty to be affected so why not put in a decent battery?
However, nothing is that simple. Although there is no official warranty there is a tacit understanding that PAG will give fair consideration to any latent defects provided proper maintenance has been observed. I know that some cars have had new camshafts resulting from undue pitting on the wearing surfaces. Seen in this light, the cost of a Moll battery, for which acid is £16.76 plus VAT extra, is a minor price to pay for playing the game according to the unwritten rules.
Another issue I discussed with Reading was the rear spoiler which left up overnight will sink down to its closed position. I may be wrong on the actual figure but believe that at high speed the spoiler can exert 640lbs of downforce (Road and Track). Not something you would want to suddenly go AWOL on the Autobahn. As it turns out, the spoiler rises under hydraulic pressure against a spring. It will then remain in place until either the road speed reduces or the pressure in the system gradually dissipates with time. So one would have to be travelling at sustained high speeds over a long period of time for it to be an issue. Slow down for traffic or a comfort break and the spoiler will be good for another couple of hours as soon as it is reset. I will get it fixed but the parts are on back order and at £2.5k for the pump alone I’m in no particular rush.
I’ve included a couple of other details which may be of interest. Clearly back in the early 2000’s the accountants were busy working on the launch of the Cayenne leaving the engineers to design in neat little details into the CGT engine compartment hence toolkit and warning triangle.
One or two people have politely enquired about costs. When considering these one has to bear in mind that items are often needed in 10’s. The other thing is that the car is a mix of part numbers and if it has a P980 series part number then it won’t be cheap. So for example the oil filter is a P996 part and costs £17.14 whereas the gearbox oil filter is a P980 and costs £173.75, adjusting shims P980 of course are £10.17 each; all plus VAT.
Without going into fine detail, the Major Service and additional parts were less than £10k including VAT and the total cost of all maintenance over the 12 years and 41k miles is just under £40k.
Finally, the engine back in place
And the view from the driver’s seat.
Cheers
uOne or two points missed of the original post.
I do keep it on a battery conditioner. However the normal short range standard cables need to be modified as the positive terminal is a long way from the negative on the back of the gearbox.
My plan had been to drive the car down to Reading for its service but when it came to start the battery was completely dead. Odd really as the Ctek was still showing fully charged. The battery itself is located just in front of the offside rear wheel, which has to be removed to access the battery. Handed centre locks mean that whipping the wheel off and slotting in a Halfords special is not really an option. Jump starting for me also not an option because the engine cover was shut and would not release on the electric switch. When Kris collected the car he came equipped with a starter pack which he first connected to an electrical access point in the driver’s footwell. Even he said it was awkward to get at so my decision to stay well out of it felt more than justified. Somewhere down here I understand.
Checking the past history showed the battery to be over 7 years old so it had done pretty well and a replacement was clearly due. Let’s be fair Porsche OEM Moll batteries do not have the best reputation, plenty of threads on PH to attest to that. And as it was never possible to get an extended warranty on the CGT there is no warranty to be affected so why not put in a decent battery?
However, nothing is that simple. Although there is no official warranty there is a tacit understanding that PAG will give fair consideration to any latent defects provided proper maintenance has been observed. I know that some cars have had new camshafts resulting from undue pitting on the wearing surfaces. Seen in this light, the cost of a Moll battery, for which acid is £16.76 plus VAT extra, is a minor price to pay for playing the game according to the unwritten rules.
Another issue I discussed with Reading was the rear spoiler which left up overnight will sink down to its closed position. I may be wrong on the actual figure but believe that at high speed the spoiler can exert 640lbs of downforce (Road and Track). Not something you would want to suddenly go AWOL on the Autobahn. As it turns out, the spoiler rises under hydraulic pressure against a spring. It will then remain in place until either the road speed reduces or the pressure in the system gradually dissipates with time. So one would have to be travelling at sustained high speeds over a long period of time for it to be an issue. Slow down for traffic or a comfort break and the spoiler will be good for another couple of hours as soon as it is reset. I will get it fixed but the parts are on back order and at £2.5k for the pump alone I’m in no particular rush.
I’ve included a couple of other details which may be of interest. Clearly back in the early 2000’s the accountants were busy working on the launch of the Cayenne leaving the engineers to design in neat little details into the CGT engine compartment hence toolkit and warning triangle.
One or two people have politely enquired about costs. When considering these one has to bear in mind that items are often needed in 10’s. The other thing is that the car is a mix of part numbers and if it has a P980 series part number then it won’t be cheap. So for example the oil filter is a P996 part and costs £17.14 whereas the gearbox oil filter is a P980 and costs £173.75, adjusting shims P980 of course are £10.17 each; all plus VAT.
Without going into fine detail, the Major Service and additional parts were less than £10k including VAT and the total cost of all maintenance over the 12 years and 41k miles is just under £40k.
Finally, the engine back in place
And the view from the driver’s seat.
Cheers
Edited by lowndes on Friday 6th April 14:29
Wonderful. Love details like this!
Very interesting and great to see another one being used and enjoyed.
It's prompted me to use mine today for the first time in 6 months. Regarding your comments on the clutch, looking back through my records, I had the clutch replaced in 2012 at the third engine out service. At the time I was doing a few miles in the car - maybe 5-6000 a year, and after discussing with the guys at Reading decided to put a new one in in case the old one didn't last to the next four year service.
I haven't been doing as many miles sadly and now at 38500 miles its at 30.30mm.
Quite simply the finest vehicle I've been fortunate enough to own and drive, and without doubt the most memorable and exciting thrills I've ever had in a car.
Thanks for your post, as I've now got a great drive home tonight!
It's prompted me to use mine today for the first time in 6 months. Regarding your comments on the clutch, looking back through my records, I had the clutch replaced in 2012 at the third engine out service. At the time I was doing a few miles in the car - maybe 5-6000 a year, and after discussing with the guys at Reading decided to put a new one in in case the old one didn't last to the next four year service.
I haven't been doing as many miles sadly and now at 38500 miles its at 30.30mm.
Quite simply the finest vehicle I've been fortunate enough to own and drive, and without doubt the most memorable and exciting thrills I've ever had in a car.
Thanks for your post, as I've now got a great drive home tonight!
993rsr said:
Very interesting and great to see another one being used and enjoyed.
It's prompted me to use mine today for the first time in 6 months. Regarding your comments on the clutch, looking back through my records, I had the clutch replaced in 2012 at the third engine out service. At the time I was doing a few miles in the car - maybe 5-6000 a year, and after discussing with the guys at Reading decided to put a new one in in case the old one didn't last to the next four year service.
I haven't been doing as many miles sadly and now at 38500 miles its at 30.30mm.
Quite simply the finest vehicle I've been fortunate enough to own and drive, and without doubt the most memorable and exciting thrills I've ever had in a car.
Thanks for your post, as I've now got a great drive home tonight!
Lovely Spring evening and great way to start the season in the the CGT. Hope you had a great run home. It's prompted me to use mine today for the first time in 6 months. Regarding your comments on the clutch, looking back through my records, I had the clutch replaced in 2012 at the third engine out service. At the time I was doing a few miles in the car - maybe 5-6000 a year, and after discussing with the guys at Reading decided to put a new one in in case the old one didn't last to the next four year service.
I haven't been doing as many miles sadly and now at 38500 miles its at 30.30mm.
Quite simply the finest vehicle I've been fortunate enough to own and drive, and without doubt the most memorable and exciting thrills I've ever had in a car.
Thanks for your post, as I've now got a great drive home tonight!
Incidentally did you get Reading to put grilles on the front intakes? They weren't on my car when I got it but those rads looked very vulnerable to me so Paul fitted a set last year. Car probably now worthless but heh ho
lowndes said:
Lovely Spring evening and great way to start the season in the the CGT. Hope you had a great run home.
Incidentally did you get Reading to put grilles on the front intakes? They weren't on my car when I got it but those rads looked very vulnerable to me so Paul fitted a set last year. Car probably now worthless but heh ho
I shall be going the long way home for sure!Incidentally did you get Reading to put grilles on the front intakes? They weren't on my car when I got it but those rads looked very vulnerable to me so Paul fitted a set last year. Car probably now worthless but heh ho
Reading did fit the grilles in the front PU, they look OEM and you can have them in silver or black. As always they do a fantastic job.
- what beautiful cars and to see them being used and enjoyed is wonderful. Close ups of the engine bay are stunning - love the detail, the carbon fibre etc. 
I had the pleasure of a passenger ride race in a 9e 996 turbo vs one of these at Brunters last year. The 996 turbo was over 1000bhp. The CGT absolutely mullered us off the start line I've never seen anything so quick off the mark.
By 175mph we started to reel it in, and both crossed the line over 200mph. I think the CGT managed 204mph completely stock form in just over a mile. What a car, and a life experience I'll not forget.
By 175mph we started to reel it in, and both crossed the line over 200mph. I think the CGT managed 204mph completely stock form in just over a mile. What a car, and a life experience I'll not forget.
What a great post and thread.
I could not agree more about Andy and the team at Reading. They are just the best service team around. My CGT has just come back from its 11th service. It needed a few things doing to it: a new starter motor as the old one had just started to go; a small oil leak on one of the oil return pumps; and re-lacquer of the rear diffuser. It also looks like I may need to get the gearbox manufacturer to have a look at the 'box at the next (engine out service) - it's just getting a little notchy going into 2nd when cold (fine when warm) and it feels like something I may want to nip in the bud.
My clutch seems to be behaving just like yours - went below 30mm in the first 5k miles, but has barely budged in the next 15k miles - now just over 29.8mm.
I did a useless 600 miles in the car last year (spending too much time in the CGT's successor!), but plan a proper continental trip this year to enjoy her on some more open roads, which will take the mileage above 20k. 11 years in and the CGT still my absolute all-time favourite car to drive.
A couple of other gratuitous shots of my car the last time it was dissembled, showing the lovely craftsmanship in virtually every part.
The gear driven cams are a particular joy to look at:
The pushrod suspension at the front:
The front wheel assembly:
Thanks again for starting a great thread.
I could not agree more about Andy and the team at Reading. They are just the best service team around. My CGT has just come back from its 11th service. It needed a few things doing to it: a new starter motor as the old one had just started to go; a small oil leak on one of the oil return pumps; and re-lacquer of the rear diffuser. It also looks like I may need to get the gearbox manufacturer to have a look at the 'box at the next (engine out service) - it's just getting a little notchy going into 2nd when cold (fine when warm) and it feels like something I may want to nip in the bud.
My clutch seems to be behaving just like yours - went below 30mm in the first 5k miles, but has barely budged in the next 15k miles - now just over 29.8mm.
I did a useless 600 miles in the car last year (spending too much time in the CGT's successor!), but plan a proper continental trip this year to enjoy her on some more open roads, which will take the mileage above 20k. 11 years in and the CGT still my absolute all-time favourite car to drive.
A couple of other gratuitous shots of my car the last time it was dissembled, showing the lovely craftsmanship in virtually every part.
The gear driven cams are a particular joy to look at:
The pushrod suspension at the front:
The front wheel assembly:
Thanks again for starting a great thread.
stefan1 said:
What a great post and thread.
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I did a useless 600 miles in the car last year (spending too much time in the CGT's successor!), but plan a proper continental trip this year to enjoy her on some more open roads, which will take the mileage above 20k. 11 years in and the CGT still my absolute all-time favourite car to drive.
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Not sure if your noticed....talking of the CGT successor and it just happens to be your 918th post... ....
I did a useless 600 miles in the car last year (spending too much time in the CGT's successor!), but plan a proper continental trip this year to enjoy her on some more open roads, which will take the mileage above 20k. 11 years in and the CGT still my absolute all-time favourite car to drive.
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Great photos. I feel like I'm the only one in this thread who doesn't have a CGT.
AndrewD said:
This thread and today's lovely weather inspired me to get my two favourite cars out. My CGT is in for major service later this year so it's good to see all the geeky details!
CGT looks absolutely fantastic in GR..!..Out of interest Andrew,if you had to sell one and ignoring values which would you let go of and why..
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