Which 991.2 GT Car Be a High Value Collectible? GT2 RS?

[APOLO1]

Taffy66 said:

This part i agree with as i've heard from a very reliable source that there will be a much larger second batch of GT3 RS.2 coming next March/April.These will be WLTP homologated fitted with the GPF..The bad news is no WLTP .3 RSs will be fitted with the Weissach pack, due to problems with parts suppliers and more importantly the WLTP requirement for a separate homologation for any WP cars..

I agree on good amount of Nos. Are you 100% on no WP at all? I heard that some cars will be available with WP but not the wheels. Whist the light weight WP cage is not FIA approved like the steel one is. Its fine for current homologation purpose.

[APOLO1]

BrntRubber said:

Thank you for the detailed response.
I must say I am shocked at how much 2RS values have dropped. Same market as a 3RS seems disproportionate, as I would expect the 2RS to be more rare and sought after.

No problem, sorry for a short response above. Just very busy. I would not worry one bit about he 2RS. Its much more than the sum of its parts. The Market has not yet woken up to what a very special car this is in my view.

Don't look at its value has dropped. Its just off its highs that's all. Shame you don't get to take it on track. Just not possible to get any place close to what it can do on roads. We have each others Nos. Next time I am at Silverstone I will let you know, happy to take you on few Px laps.

Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 6th September 21:03

[BrntRubber]

APOLO1 said:

No problem, sorry for a short response above. Just very busy. I would not worry one bit about he 2RS. Its much more than the sum of its parts. The Market has not yet woken up to what a very special car this is in my view. Don't look at its value has dropped. Its just off its highs that's all. Shame you don't get to take it on track. Just not possible to get any place close to what it can do on roads. We have each others Nos. Next time I am at Silverstone I will let you know, happy to take you on few Px laps.

That would be great... thanks!

I will bring a nappy so I don’t ruin your interior.

[RSVP911]

Taffy66 said:

cormeist said:

So to confirm- we’re getting more 3RS next year? But NO WP cars due to WLTP? Seems like that is a good shout and makes sense

Don't shoot the messenger but as i understand the WP has already been taken off some countries Configurator websites.This is mainly due to several component supplier issues namely Ti cage, Mag wheels, CF steering wheel etc.
Porsche are really struggling with meeting the new stringent WLTP rules on NASP cars resulting in jumping through more hoops to get the WP passed not being viable.

Has the factory re opened yet ?

[Taffy66]

RSVP911 said:

Has the factory re opened yet ?

Apart from the normal August extended break Porsche are still churning out GT3s and RSs for all non WLTP markets.No more Gt Porsches for EU countries until the second batch of .3RSs next March.

[Tony 1234]

BrntRubber said:

Taffy66 said:

This part i agree with as i've heard from a very reliable source that there will be a much larger second batch of GT3 RS.2 coming next March/April.These will be WLTP homologated fitted with the GPF..The bad news is no WLTP .3 RSs will be fitted with the Weissach pack, due to problems with parts suppliers and more importantly the WLTP requirement for a separate homologation for any WP cars..

Taffy,
My dealer told me a few days ago I could have a WP 3RS in April/May. Unless he was just assuming some would be offered with WP. This would be very disappointing as I love carbon. He is normally pretty spot on, but maybe he missed the mark on this one.

If your source is right, that is a real bummer.

WP available but theirs a question over the Mag wheels so I was thinking about the Carbon ones if not.

[Phooey]

APOLO1 said:

In the not to distant future like 2/4 years out in my opinion, todays prices will be looked on as missed buying opportunities

I have opposite views. In the next 2-4 years I think today’s prices will be looked on as missed selling opportunities.

[PS2018]

I agree with Phooey.
That’s what makes forums occasionally fun though!

[DT398]

BrntRubber said:

Taffy,
My dealer told me a few days ago I could have a WP 3RS in April/May. Unless he was just assuming some would be offered with WP. This would be very disappointing as I love carbon. He is normally pretty spot on, but maybe he missed the mark on this one.

If your source is right, that is a real bummer.

I don’t think anyone really knows. Why would they show a WP car at Goodwood only last week if it wasn’t coming to the UK? Still, the WP is not on the UK configurator and never has been as far as I know.

If you really like the carbon look, you might be able to get the bonnet and rear wing in clear coat as a CXX option as opposed to painted. Door mirrors are already available as an option and you could go after market on the wing vents and side intakes etc, so there are loads of options. That only really leaves the rooof. IMHO, a magnesium roof is cooler than a carbon one from a tech/engineering standpoint anyhow but each to their own.

Titanium cage would be cool but it’s not the end of the world and it seems that the mag wheels aren’t coming in any case. There’s a bit of carbon in the suspension which would be handy but will it really make a difference to 99% of us?

Will be interesting to see what happens to the engine power with the filter. Porsche have always been conservative with their figures, so maybe they can just put the same number out there. Can’t imagine they will quote a lower figure.

Good news if more cars are coming as it helps to prevent the bonkers market that this thread is really about.

2RS is massively over priced in my view and pretty much everything else is on the way down for now. 911R will be the best long term 991 bet as it’s got a plaque, plus the 997 4.0 and the 997.2 RS. Porsche have made an awful lot of 991 GT cars and I don’t see the demand to support the silly values.

[Robbo66]

DT398 said:

2RS is massively over priced in my view and pretty much everything else is on the way down for now. 911R will be the best long term 991 bet as it’s got a plaque, plus the 997 4.0 and the 997.2 RS. Porsche have made an awful lot of 991 GT cars and I don’t see the demand to support the silly values.

The over supply of GT3.2 cars has meant you're lucky to see list back, regardless of what certain owners state. No rocket science this, lots for sale, season finished, 992 shortly and very little moving. Supply outstrips demand and we are where we are.

2RS has taken a thumping, 911R too and both have a way to go, but will trade over list. However the massive 'elefant im raum' which has been totally ignored by the bulls in the market on here is....you can't drive them. Drive these Porsche 'Bonds' and you will take a significant financial thumping, which even the Jay Leno set find hard to accept.

I just sold my 997.2RS, which I used as intended, as market softening and whilst a great car, the 991.2 Touring I drove was better in every department.



Life's too short to hang on to something when there's alternatives that offer different experiences. I note that some lucky enough to secure an allocation of the .2GT3 are already fidgeting to jump into another marque or model, fickle beasts that we are.

So, too many about, too few buying, can't actually drive them unless you're happy to see any potential gain quickly eroded and new model around the corner. Beyond irrational to buy in now.

Edited by Robbo66 on Friday 7th September 07:55

[browngt3]

Robbo66 said:

The over supply of GT3.2 cars has meant you're lucky to see list back, regardless of what certain owners state. No rocket science this, lots for sale, season finished, 992 shortly and very little moving. Supply outstrips demand and we are where we are.

2RS has taken a thumping, 911R too and both have a way to go, but will trade over list. However the massive 'elefant im raum' which has been totally ignored by the bulls in the market on here is....you can't drive them. Drive these Porsche 'Bonds' and you will take a significant financial thumping, which even the Jay Leno set find hard to accept.

I just sold my 997.2RS, which I used as intended, as market softening and whilst a great car, the 991.2 Touring I drove was better in every department.



Life's too short to hang on to something when there's alternatives that offer different experiences. I note that some lucky enough to secure an allocation of the .2GT3 are already fidgeting to jump into another marque or model, fickle beasts that we are.

So, too many about, too few buying, can't actually drive them unless you're happy to see any potential gain quickly eroded and new model around the corner. Beyond irrational to buy in now.

Edited by Robbo66 on Friday 7th September 07:55

Great Post!

I guess when values have halved people will actually drive them then. Or will we say what a great buying opportunity this is? But only if you don't drive them!

Come on everyone, as Magnus Walker says, just get out there and drive! These are such amazing machines. Enjoy them to the max. While you still can

[browngt3]

And another thing. If we all kept our cars and everyone saw the big smile on our faces after driving them, just think what that would do to the values!

[MDL111]

430scuderia1 said:

Defo won't be the GT2 RS...

If you have every GT3RS .2 (996 was only .1, 997.2 and 991.2) then keep them.

GT2's apart from the 6 993's in RHD have never been overly loved.... i am yet to speak to an owner of a 991 GT2 RS who has convinced me he/or she is in love with it. Apart from back tracking to values yada yada.

miles better cars to have your money tied up in IMHO.

There was a link to another forum on the 2RS thread of an owner who seemed to love it after a few thousand kms on the Nordschleife

Personally I think they will all dip - high production numbers on all 991.2 GT cars - so sell all quickly and buy them back cheaper later would be my financial advice (buy a CGT instead or a 996 RS and a 997 4.0 RS)
In terms of which is most fun as a long term keeper of the 991.2 cars - as a track car I would have thought learning how best to drive the GT2 over multiple years would give a lot of pleasure

[Porsche911R]

Robbo66 said:

The over supply of GT3.2 cars has meant you're lucky to see list back

I just sold my 997.2RS, which I used as intended, as market softening and whilst a great car, the 991.2 Touring I drove was better in every department.

you are Chris Harris and I claim my £5 :-)

regarding list, people said that about the GT4, it still selling at least £10k over list for the nice spec cars even with >5k miles on them
low miles 991.1 GT3 are STILL OVER LIST !!! and GT4 are flying out at the right spec.


on the 991.2 it's impossible to say, cars are way over list and selling, I know 3 new owners who paid £25k overs, so try and buy one at list, people do post funny things.

Going forward regarding values, no one knows and it 100% depends on the next models engine.

But 991.1 would have to be £90k for the 991.2 to be list and top spec 991.1 are still >£10k overs and 5 years old for low mile examples !!!

I doubt we will see a 991.2 GT3 at list esp when people are paying £85k for GT4's

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 7th September 09:40

[Taffy66]

With all the shenanigans in recent years regarding GT cars values and flipping, i can see it coming back to bite Porsche on the bum..This will please McLaren,Lambo etc as it will invariably result in some long time Porsche buyers wanting to try something else.

[Robbo66]

Porsche911R said:

on the 991.2 it's impossible to say, cars are way over list and selling, I know 3 new owners who paid £25k overs, so try and buy one at list, people do post funny things.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 7th September 09:40

I'm not sure , without using pictures and possibly a thick crayon, how to explain this further. Once more, they are not available at list to buy, but you will need to sell at list or below to vendor, IF you can get them to purchase in first place.

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

With all the shenanigans in recent years regarding GT cars values and flipping, i can see it coming back to bite Porsche on the bum..This will please McLaren,Lambo etc as it will invariably result in some long time Porsche buyers wanting to try something else.

I am waiting for the Performante to be sub £200k :-) they are on a nice curve downwards.

Porsche market is mad at crazy overs as there are other cars to buy that are far better value.

List price Porsche has no equals, overs prices, no thanks they look poor value once over £50k overs, yes Porsche are that good even at £50k they seem to have no equals ! but above that is hard to grasp.

£350k for a 911R or £400k for a GT2 RS no thanks. £400k buys you a lot of metal which will give you a far better feeling inside imo.

[browngt3]

911R makes a good observation as to how things are at present but the fact remains about oversupply of GT product so there will be an adjustment. Going forward, by far the biggest factor will be what happens in the economy. And with that nobody really knows.

[Taffy66]

Porsche911R said:

I am waiting for the Performante to be sub £200k :-) they are on a nice curve downwards.

Porsche market is mad at crazy overs as there are other cars to buy that are far better value.

List price Porsche has no equals, overs prices, no thanks they look poor value once over £50k overs, yes Porsche are that good even at £50k they seem to have no equals ! but above that is hard to grasp.

£350k for a 911R or £400k for a GT2 RS no thanks. £400k buys you a lot of metal which will give you a far better feeling inside imo.

There are a huge selection of non Porsche cars to choose from in the next year for way less than £200k IMO..The Speciale is too rich for me but i'm tracking Scuderias closely as well as Performantes..Both appeal to me for he same reasons, namely desirable badge, mid engine, not too heavy, limited hardcore specials and a screamer of a NASP engine.
I'm going to try and avoid catching falling knives so how low will Scuds go shortterm, as long term i think they're a dead cert..

[Porsche911R]

Robbo66 said:

I'm not sure , without using pictures and possibly a thick crayon, how to explain this further. Once more, they are not available at list to buy, but you will need to sell at list or below to vendor, IF you can get them to purchase in first place.

I am only interested in what it cost to buy one as are most buyers. all this list talk is great until you want to buy one, I find then it's £30k overs min.

nothing else matters bar the price to buy one. trade talk is pointless, out of 74 cars owned I have only sold about 3 into the trade !!

As for selling above list, I have people who would buy my car above list price, that's along way off £175k dealer prices.

people say this on every model it's nothing new, the cars will drop in price till they sell and then go back up once stock has gone and spring 2019 is here.
991.1 did the same as did the GT4.


When you filter out all the models this time round there are not really that many for sale, Scud430 wants to buy and cannot find a car as an example, he has been putting wanted adds on PH for over a year and will pay overs for a car, but still cannot find one.


OPC only have 8 manual winged cars for sale, not a single bucket seat manual non CS car for sale atm, and the stock is turning over quite well, I notice the cars are not the same 8 as last month(15 for sale last month inc T) this month all 8 are CS cars and 3 new red ones, last month(July) no red cars and only 4 CS and 10 for sale. in fact for the 1st 12 months there was not a single red CS manual car come up for sale.
Also 3 Tourings seem to have vanished the last few weeks alone, last month there were 5 or 6 , now only 2.


Manuals either in winged or T seem to have a good rolling turn over.

I don't follow PDK cars so cannot make any comments on sales in that model.

Even JZM don't have a 991.2 GT3 for sale in any flavour.


So the doom and gloom is incorrect imo 991.1 prices would have to drop another >£20k to see list prices on 991.2 cars.

Once the flippers have got their RS models stock will dry up once dealers drop prices and so the wheels keep turning.

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 7th September 10:46