Which 991.2 GT Car Be a High Value Collectible? GT2 RS?
Discussion
browngt3 said:
911R makes a good observation as to how things are at present but the fact remains about oversupply of GT product so there will be an adjustment. Going forward, by far the biggest factor will be what happens in the economy. And with that nobody really knows.
^This. As Buffett says, be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful.I never get that right. Seem to buy everything at the top of the market.
Porsche911R said:
I am only interested in what it cost to buy one as are most buyers. all this list talk is great until you want to buy one, I find then it's £30k overs min.
nothing else matters bar the price to buy one. trade talk is pointless, out of 74 cars owned I have only sold about 3 into the trade !!
As for selling above list, I have people who would buy my car above list price, that's along way off £175k dealer prices.
people say this on every model it's nothing new, the cars will drop in price till they sell and then go back up once stock has gone and spring 2019 is here.
991.1 did the same as did the GT4.
When you filter out all the models this time round there are not really that many for sale, Scud430 wants to buy and cannot find a car as an example, he has been putting wanted adds on PH for over a year and will pay overs for a car, but still cannot find one.
OPC only have 8 manual winged cars for sale, not a single bucket seat manual non CS car for sale atm, and the stock is turning over quite well, I notice the cars are not the same 8 as last month(15 for sale last month inc T) this month all 8 are CS cars and 3 new red ones, last month no red cars and only 4 CS and 10 for sale
Also 3 Tourings seem to have vanished the last few weeks alone, last month there were 5 or 6 , now only 2.
Manuals either in winged or T seem to have a good rolling turn over.
I don't follow PDK cars so cannot make any comments on sales in that model.
Even JZM don't have a 991.2 GT3 for sale in any flavour.
So the doom and gloom is incorrect imo.
A friend sold his 991 GT3.2 Manual Club Sport Spec, 2K Miles back to OPC this week for over 150k. I would give today now 190k for GT3 Touring in Dark Colour with the right bits, low CCBDs etc. nothing else matters bar the price to buy one. trade talk is pointless, out of 74 cars owned I have only sold about 3 into the trade !!
As for selling above list, I have people who would buy my car above list price, that's along way off £175k dealer prices.
people say this on every model it's nothing new, the cars will drop in price till they sell and then go back up once stock has gone and spring 2019 is here.
991.1 did the same as did the GT4.
When you filter out all the models this time round there are not really that many for sale, Scud430 wants to buy and cannot find a car as an example, he has been putting wanted adds on PH for over a year and will pay overs for a car, but still cannot find one.
OPC only have 8 manual winged cars for sale, not a single bucket seat manual non CS car for sale atm, and the stock is turning over quite well, I notice the cars are not the same 8 as last month(15 for sale last month inc T) this month all 8 are CS cars and 3 new red ones, last month no red cars and only 4 CS and 10 for sale
Also 3 Tourings seem to have vanished the last few weeks alone, last month there were 5 or 6 , now only 2.
Manuals either in winged or T seem to have a good rolling turn over.
I don't follow PDK cars so cannot make any comments on sales in that model.
Even JZM don't have a 991.2 GT3 for sale in any flavour.
So the doom and gloom is incorrect imo.
APOLO1 said:
A friend sold his 991 GT3.2 Manual Club Sport Spec, 2K Miles back to OPC this week for over 150k. I would give today now 190k for GT3 Touring in Dark Colour with the right bits, low CCBDs etc.
I know stock is moving well, people see a lot of cars for sale, but it's rolling stock. I also have offers at overs.ping me a message next time you take the 2RS to Silverstone, would love to see it.
Porsche911R said:
I know stock is moving well, people see a lot of cars for sale, but it's rolling stock. I also have offers at overs.Ping me a message next time you take the 2RS to Silverstone, would love to see it.
Even a Comfort Spec one sold within 2 days. Will let you know on Silverstone. Not keen on getting into the value thingy, but I can testify to GT2RS being a special car and the very best 911 Porsche have ever made. Its almost more of a race car than a sports car, sharp, pointy, it can stop and susp works, it changes direction like no other 911. You do need to drive it harder, more like a race car, it hooks up once you push beyond what you would do with a sports car. Yet it can still cruise comfy to south Spain for a WE away.
Robbo66 said:
Porsche911R said:
on the 991.2 it's impossible to say, cars are way over list and selling, I know 3 new owners who paid £25k overs, so try and buy one at list, people do post funny things.
I'm not sure , without using pictures and possibly a thick crayon, how to explain this further. Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 7th September 09:40
Porsche911R said:
911Viking said:
Not keen on getting into the value thingy, but I can testify to GT2RS being a special car and the very best 911 Porsche have ever made. .
big claim that :-)Along a fair few other 911's and I race Cup cars with a trophy cabinet full of bling testifying I either got lucky many times or may halfway know what I am doing.
Lots of sports cars are great fun and I am not a 911 only chap. In the more modern section, I also appreciate Scuderia, Performante and Speciale to name a few. But GT2RS is a nod above anything else south of 500k Euros imv. But you do need to put it to work for it to reward you and you do have to respect them.
911Viking said:
I have one, PTS Slate Grey, ticking 3.000km so far ;-)
Along a fair few other 911's and I race Cup cars with a trophy cabinet full of bling testifying I either got lucky many times or may halfway know what I am doing.
Lots of sports cars are great fun and I am not a 911 only chap. In the more modern section, I also appreciate Scuderia, Performante and Speciale to name a few. But GT2RS is a nod above anything else south of 500k Euros imv. But you do need to put it to work for it to reward you and you do have to respect them.
Most people I have spoken too seem to like the GT3 RS more as a drivers car, it’s lighter and has that 4.0l NA engine like that race car which goes to 9k with a sound track to match.Along a fair few other 911's and I race Cup cars with a trophy cabinet full of bling testifying I either got lucky many times or may halfway know what I am doing.
Lots of sports cars are great fun and I am not a 911 only chap. In the more modern section, I also appreciate Scuderia, Performante and Speciale to name a few. But GT2RS is a nod above anything else south of 500k Euros imv. But you do need to put it to work for it to reward you and you do have to respect them.
I think the pista will blow the 2RS out the water it’s listed at over 500bhp/ton and way under 500k. Be an interesting battle for sure if one can get both.
But like all these cars once you add tubo's and automatics you can pick any top brands and have a fast car, lambo have The SVJ now. Ferrari have the pista and macca will wait to see what the pista can do then launch the 720lt.
But on a personal note for fun nothing matches a manual NA car reving to 9k, it's also the lightest, so the change of direction and the stopping power will be the most thrilling of the lot.
A car you also have to really work for to get the times. So imo it’s the best 911 to date :-)
911Viking said:
Not keen on getting into the value thingy, but I can testify to GT2RS being a special car and the very best 911 Porsche have ever made. Its almost more of a race car than a sports car, sharp, pointy, it can stop and susp works, it changes direction like no other 911. You do need to drive it harder, more like a race car, it hooks up once you push beyond what you would do with a sports car. Yet it can still cruise comfy to south Spain for a WE away.
And yet footsoldier (who definitely can drive as well) I believe has said on rennlist that he thinks the 3rs (gen 1 nevermind 2) is the better handling car and his car already has the full manthey works on setup?isaldiri said:
And yet footsoldier (who definitely can drive as well) I believe has said on rennlist that he thinks the 3rs (gen 1 nevermind 2) is the better handling car and his car already has the full manthey works on setup?
Well after around 40 track days in a 91RS, I can say from my experience that the 91RS is far easier to drive on its limit than what the 2RS is. The 2RS has the best part of another 250bhp and 100% more TQ all at just over 2000RPM, No way can you just throw the 2RS around like the 91RS. You have to work a lot harder and think a lot more to get the best out of the 2RS. Get it a bit wrong in the 91RS and all the aids will save you. Do same in 2RS and you will be off. Get it right and its very rewarding. It took a few goes to get the set up right on the 2RS though. Way to much understeer on stock settings. As to which is the better driving handling car. Think that's very subjective.The 2RS is much faster over a lap, as per all the Mag tests, Evo had it 1.5 Secs quicker than 91RS round the short Anglesey track, for me the 2RS is much more rewarding when you get it right. Also the steering in the 2RS gives a lot more feel of what's going on. No doubt due to the Mag wheels and RJ set up.
Edited by APOLO1 on Saturday 8th September 08:14
Apolo the exact words of a well known you pro who was helping a GT2RS owner at the last rack day I went to at Silverstone. Reminds me of the old 993GT2R we did a lot of winning in , except if had serious lag .
Not a track day regular but it seems there is a lot of really fast on the straights stuff ( 720 , 488 ) so the extra power must be nice ..
Not a track day regular but it seems there is a lot of really fast on the straights stuff ( 720 , 488 ) so the extra power must be nice ..
hunter 66 said:
Apolo the exact words of a well known you pro who was helping a GT2RS owner at the last rack day I went to at Silverstone. Reminds me of the old 993GT2R we did a lot of winning in , except if had serious lag .
Not a track day regular but it seems there is a lot of really fast on the straights stuff ( 720 , 488 ) so the extra power must be nice ..
A few Pro drivers that have driven the 2RS have said same thing. That it drives very much like a 911 Turbo race car set up.Not a track day regular but it seems there is a lot of really fast on the straights stuff ( 720 , 488 ) so the extra power must be nice ..
For me, in the 2RS I did not find lag a problem. Due to 100% of its Torque at just over 2000Rpm. Its biggest point I found apart from its top speed on the straight's, 172 is Max I have seen down the hanger, is in the corners. Evo summed it up well.
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Ultimately, the GT2s greatest single advantage is how it contains its unfavourable weight distribution to exceed the other cars ability to carry speed both into and through both low and high speed corners, No car here punches from apex through corner exit to the next braking area, with the ferocity of what the 2RS does"
Edited by APOLO1 on Saturday 8th September 09:24
Porsche911R said:
911Viking said:
Not keen on getting into the value thingy, but I can testify to GT2RS being a special car and the very best 911 Porsche have ever made. .
big claim that :-)Robbo66 said:
The over supply of GT3.2 cars has meant you're lucky to see list back, regardless of what certain owners state. No rocket science this, lots for sale, season finished, 992 shortly and very little moving. Supply outstrips demand and we are where we are.
2RS has taken a thumping, 911R too and both have a way to go, but will trade over list. However the massive 'elefant im raum' which has been totally ignored by the bulls in the market on here is....you can't drive them. Drive these Porsche 'Bonds' and you will take a significant financial thumping, which even the Jay Leno set find hard to accept.
I just sold my 997.2RS, which I used as intended, as market softening and whilst a great car, the 991.2 Touring I drove was better in every department.
Life's too short to hang on to something when there's alternatives that offer different experiences. I note that some lucky enough to secure an allocation of the .2GT3 are already fidgeting to jump into another marque or model, fickle beasts that we are.
So, too many about, too few buying, can't actually drive them unless you're happy to see any potential gain quickly eroded and new model around the corner. Beyond irrational to buy in now.
Robbo you normally talk supreme sense on here, but really, 991.2 Touring better in every department than a 997.2 RS?? Steering feel? Howling Mezger? Chassis you need to work and not rely on RWS?2RS has taken a thumping, 911R too and both have a way to go, but will trade over list. However the massive 'elefant im raum' which has been totally ignored by the bulls in the market on here is....you can't drive them. Drive these Porsche 'Bonds' and you will take a significant financial thumping, which even the Jay Leno set find hard to accept.
I just sold my 997.2RS, which I used as intended, as market softening and whilst a great car, the 991.2 Touring I drove was better in every department.
Life's too short to hang on to something when there's alternatives that offer different experiences. I note that some lucky enough to secure an allocation of the .2GT3 are already fidgeting to jump into another marque or model, fickle beasts that we are.
So, too many about, too few buying, can't actually drive them unless you're happy to see any potential gain quickly eroded and new model around the corner. Beyond irrational to buy in now.
Edited by Robbo66 on Friday 7th September 07:55
isaldiri said:
And yet footsoldier (who definitely can drive as well) I believe has said on rennlist that he thinks the 3rs (gen 1 nevermind 2) is the better handling car and his car already has the full manthey works on setup?
Footsoldier has experienced issues with his .2RS on the Ring in terms of instability..He's a very experienced ex Racing driver who really knows what he's talking about..The problem was attributed to the extra 50KG over the .3RS which was all hanging over the rear axle.This had a rather surprisingly disproportionate effect on the f/r weight distribution.None of this was solved by altering geo settings and only removing weight would solve it..His .2RS has less weight over the nose(no LEDs or Front lift) and has the steel cage fitted instead of the Titanium one.This combination would have a detrimental effect on the f/r balance compared to AndrewD's and Apolo's .2RSs.In fact a couple of years ago a well known american car magazine instrumented tested two different 991.1 GT3 RSs..One was much lighter than the other as it had 20kgs+ less weight adding options on the front of the car..This resulted in the heavier optioned car being much better balanced resulting in better handling as a result..
Footsoldiers findings echo that what 'Sportauto's road test found when they tested the .2RS..It seems all variants of the 991 GT cars are overly sensitive to variations in their f/r weight distribution.
AndrewD said:
Porsche911R said:
911Viking said:
Not keen on getting into the value thingy, but I can testify to GT2RS being a special car and the very best 911 Porsche have ever made. .
big claim that :-)Best quote on here for years,crayons and pictures
Is it not sad to now purchase a car for its potential value retainment,rather than truly wanting a car for its looks and performance.
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