Does anyone here own a 911 CSR from RPM?
Discussion
anonymous said:
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I don't give a s
t what the miles are, I SAID LIKE FOR LIKE CARS S vs non S IT'S NOT £15K difference.you can point me to 56k miles cars all you like, it wont be £15k cheaper than a S with 56k miles
FFS are people really this stupid !
My personal preference is buying mid 20k miles cars and yet again S vs non S it's NOT 15K difference !!
your preference might be 60k miles cars at a lower price point, I don't care.
As for the low miles red one , yep as I expected 5k less than the low miles c2S they also have as I stated it was about £5k in them !
Argue black is white all you like !!
But to quote myself on the last page
"Don't see the point doing a non S as non S prices for a donor only save you £5k odd"
That's the money quote right there kids.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 15th September 18:28
Slippydiff said:
I like that, and what great history! Currently car-less atm and something like this really tempts me. The 997 (IMO) is probably my fave all rounder 911. Perfect size. Pretty. Basic (by todays standards). Solid. Proper vfm that.Phooey said:
Slippydiff said:
I like that, and what great history! Currently car-less atm and something like this really tempts me. The 997 (IMO) is probably my fave all rounder 911. Perfect size. Pretty. Basic (by todays standards). Solid. Proper vfm that.
I’d be interested to know if a 997.2 4S can be CSR’d. I like the wider hips of the 4S but wonder if it can be converted to rear wheel only.
I’m becoming increasingly interested in the CSR product. I have a 997.2 turbo and at some point would like something more raw. I can’t afford to take a step up to a GT3 but a CSR would be within my budget. The reviews have been outstanding.
I’m becoming increasingly interested in the CSR product. I have a 997.2 turbo and at some point would like something more raw. I can’t afford to take a step up to a GT3 but a CSR would be within my budget. The reviews have been outstanding.
Chubbyross said:
I’d be interested to know if a 997.2 4S can be CSR’d. I like the wider hips of the 4S but wonder if it can be converted to rear wheel only.
I’m becoming increasingly interested in the CSR product. I have a 997.2 turbo and at some point would like something more raw. I can’t afford to take a step up to a GT3 but a CSR would be within my budget. The reviews have been outstanding.
The GTS is a widebody and is considerably rawer than the C4S without costing GT3 money.I’m becoming increasingly interested in the CSR product. I have a 997.2 turbo and at some point would like something more raw. I can’t afford to take a step up to a GT3 but a CSR would be within my budget. The reviews have been outstanding.
nickpan said:
The GTS is a widebody and is considerably rawer than the C4S without costing GT3 money.
Hmmm, I'm not sure I'd call a 997 GTS raw when 997 GT3 is in the same sentence. I had a 997.1 GT3 before my GTS and it did my head in a bit on the road with the Carrera GT buckets in it. GTS I could drive all day long. Mario149 said:
Hmmm, I'm not sure I'd call a 997 GTS raw when 997 GT3 is in the same sentence. I had a 997.1 GT3 before my GTS and it did my head in a bit on the road with the Carrera GT buckets in it. GTS I could drive all day long.
In my experience that combination is hard work, and a good road car it does not maketh ... 
Slippydiff said:
Mario149 said:
Hmmm, I'm not sure I'd call a 997 GTS raw when 997 GT3 is in the same sentence. I had a 997.1 GT3 before my GTS and it did my head in a bit on the road with the Carrera GT buckets in it. GTS I could drive all day long.
In my experience that combination is hard work, and a good road car it does not maketh ... I'm struggling to understand this CSR thing a bit to be honest.
Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
D.no said:
I'm struggling to understand this CSR thing a bit to be honest.
Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
Fair enough. But consider that not everyone likes to spanner himself. Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
Also I see the appeal in buying a ready made package with components that work together. Again, if you browse the internet for a week you have all the theoretical knowledge. Well you have one informed first hand response out of every 10 response from hearsay. While RPM may not have developed the components themselves, they have tested them and know they work (together).
D.no said:
I'm struggling to understand this CSR thing a bit to be honest.
Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
I'd agree with that....I think if you really want to brand these things you need to have parts that have been developed that you restrict to the built cars you sell as a CSR. Which is what Eagle and Singer do.Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
D.no said:
I'm struggling to understand this CSR thing a bit to be honest.
Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
I would say they have their owned tuned spring rates, their own dampers settings , their own geo set ups etc etc they designed their own duck tails also.Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
So while you could labour over a Auto clave and layer up your own duck Tail and buy off the shelf KW with over stiff springs, the CSR route is a plug and play solution, I am not sure you pay much of a premium for at as you can just pick one or two parts if you wish.
"All new CSR models get evaluated and set up by Tim Harvey at Millbrook and other test circuit locations.
Many of these proven Porsche upgrade parts have been developed in-house by engineers from the specialist CSR department and when aftermarket products are used, only the best and most rigorously analysed parts make the cut. To ensure maximum confidence, all Porsche tuning upgrades fitted to CSR models undergo extensive testing and evaluation."
I quite like the CSR brand, it sort of means something come resale also over some noddy fitting KW with 800lb springs with adjusters all set to max hard. Over selling a CSR car.
Manthey do the same and no one slags them off. new larger wings , BBS wheels, custom Geo's with KW3 and custom spring rates , etc etc.
I also thought the same 1st off, but now really like the plug and play solutions they offer like Manthey do.
Some of the CSR stuff is bespoke - the bumpers, the exhaust - some is generic, I think that one of the things you pay for is everything working together harmoniously.
My Ohlins have custom spring rates, specified by Center Gravity - so this isn't unique to RPM, but CG are not going to tune the engine, fit new bumpers and paint everything.
My Ohlins have custom spring rates, specified by Center Gravity - so this isn't unique to RPM, but CG are not going to tune the engine, fit new bumpers and paint everything.
D.no said:
I'm struggling to understand this CSR thing a bit to be honest.
Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
I suspect you could buy most of the parts off the shelf, but things like the shorter final drive for their 981 Cayman is I think, truly bespoke, as are their exhausts.Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
They definitely charge a premium, but I guess that's the price you pay for a "one stop shop" experience and the peace of mind that comes from dealing with a reputable outfit that would hopefully offer some kind of warranty on their products/conversions. It's a very niche product/market, and whilst they've clearly built a good few cars, I'm dubious it's a big money spinner.
D.no said:
I'm struggling to understand this CSR thing a bit to be honest.
Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
This ^ Don't they just take already available aftermarket parts, and bolt them on for a premium?
With a few spanners, some midnight oil, and an oversized swear box couldn't I do the same thing in my garage for considerably less outlay?
What's bespoke about CSR's such that they can be branded as such, and what makes this something unique to RPM?
The only thing that is bespoke is the name 'CSR' which RPM are looking to make a brand out of so as you feel as if your getting more than a host of bolt on aftermarket parts.
There are people out there whom are prepared to pay for the convenience and RPM appear to be making a good fist of it. - The latest Evo version looks to have more bespoke parts, but at GT3 money its going to be a hard sell, however there are always those that will want something unique, enjoying the modifying journey and are prepared to pay for it.
Each to their own!
Edited by CrashBang on Monday 17th September 22:38
MDL111 said:
Haven’t seen any posts from/re CLR recently - before going CSR, I would definitely have a chat with him. The thread on his car and all the weight lost seemed amazing to me
Sorry MDL111, I've been out the loop since March trying to steer an aviation company away from an iceberg; have not had a chance to think about the car for so long now. I've only driven the car once in that time 
All being well, I'm hoping within 6months or so to be back in the game
ETA: some evidence of said drive
Edited by CarreraLightweightRacing on Tuesday 18th September 07:32
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Sorry MDL111, I've been out the loop since March trying to steer an aviation company away from an iceberg; have not had a chance to think about the car for so long now. I've only driven the car once in that time
All being well, I'm hoping within 6months or so to be back in the game
ETA: some evidence of said drive
Git All being well, I'm hoping within 6months or so to be back in the game
ETA: some evidence of said drive
Good to catch up over the weekend Ritchie
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
MDL111 said:
Haven’t seen any posts from/re CLR recently - before going CSR, I would definitely have a chat with him. The thread on his car and all the weight lost seemed amazing to me
Sorry MDL111, I've been out the loop since March trying to steer an aviation company away from an iceberg; have not had a chance to think about the car for so long now. I've only driven the car once in that time All being well, I'm hoping within 6months or so to be back in the game
ETA: some evidence of said drive
Edited by CarreraLightweightRacing on Tuesday 18th September 07:32
Whilst I think a CSR would give an uplift in sales price down the line over a car that a decent indi has put together for you to the same spec, I'm not sure that you'd be quids in looking at the prices they charge. The CSR Evo is a lovely looking thing, and I'm sure it drives really well, would you take one over a GT3 for the same money? I know I wouldn't, and I'd confidently bet my mortgage that the GT3 would offer a better return on your money too.
I really want an RPM ducktail and one of their Evo gear knobs for mine though
I really want an RPM ducktail and one of their Evo gear knobs for mine though
I think the reality is that Singer have paved the way for productising retro evolutions of earlier but not as early as they look
I personally love the 2.8 RS look and love the idea of weight saving more modern driving experience etc
If I did do something like this I would build a keeper, probably 964 based but probably not buying off the shelf so to speak
Any as new build is going to be over £150k I am sure. The choice of transmission and engine will be a big one
I personally love the 2.8 RS look and love the idea of weight saving more modern driving experience etc
If I did do something like this I would build a keeper, probably 964 based but probably not buying off the shelf so to speak
Any as new build is going to be over £150k I am sure. The choice of transmission and engine will be a big one
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