GT3 gen2 or GT3RS gen1
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993rsr said:
Porsche911R said:
993rsr said:
It's tricky to have a balanced discussion with comments like 'no one tracks a stock geo car it's s
t'. That's simply untrue, a significant proportion of these cars are not set up with the absolute bias for track use.
And those that do track them have a variety of set ups, not just one, that's the beauty of these cars you can set them up for individual talents and abilities.
So the very same people who would change a geo for real track work would do it on both, hence the same gap on lap times ! it's pretty simple concept to grasp.t'. That's simply untrue, a significant proportion of these cars are not set up with the absolute bias for track use. And those that do track them have a variety of set ups, not just one, that's the beauty of these cars you can set them up for individual talents and abilities.
It's a daft argument to make imo is all I am saying. quoting modded cars are faster than stock ones is daft.
A well set up car with the broad scope that Porsche have built into the chassis for camber, caster, ride height, sway bar adjustment will be faster than one from the factory that's the point I'm making.
And a 991.1 with the above applied will be much closer in performance to a stock 991.2 - that cannot be disputed.
Replying that 'no one tracks a stock geo it's s
t', 'quoting modded cars are faster than stock ones is daft' and ' it's a pretty simple concept to grasp' doesn't really show you've applied any thought in trying to make the point you are right and I'm wrong.Could you take a stock gen 1 gt3 CS, spend 10 k on (reversible) chip and exhaust, 1 k on set up and pocket the £90k delta ?
You'd end up with a similar lap time to a stock .2GT3 , no? (lap time itself is a strange metric for value for money!)
Accept that the OP is not asking that question though!!
993rsr said:
It's tricky to have a balanced discussion with comments like 'no one tracks a stock geo car it's st'. That's simply untrue, a significant proportion of these cars are not set up with the absolute bias for track use.
And those that do track them have a variety of set ups, not just one, that's the beauty of these cars you can set them up for individual talents and abilities.
Yes and I know you are a true "wheelman " when not sideways ...... I have not adjusted my .2 RS yet as driving around the issues on Dunlops and still nice and rapid .... will only adjust the front camber and check the Geo ( apparently all are out from the factory according to Matt ) .......t'. That's simply untrue, a significant proportion of these cars are not set up with the absolute bias for track use. And those that do track them have a variety of set ups, not just one, that's the beauty of these cars you can set them up for individual talents and abilities.
hunter 66 said:
.1 RS with Manthey set up .......
The .2 rs set it's time on the Cup2R tyre which is a very very quick tyre (2s over a 90s lap per another german mag vs the N2 Cup2). The manthey rs was pictured with a N0 Cup2 which in theory is a 918 tyre but was only very slightly off the .2rs times both at the ring and Hockenheim with SportAuto.....so in theory on the same tyre the manthey car would absolutely smack the .2rs but that seems a bit hard to believe. unless that N0 tyre used was actually a development Cup R tyre which would explain the proximity to the gen2 on the R tyre.....
isaldiri said:
There is something a bit strange about the manthey gen1 times though.
The .2 rs set it's time on the Cup2R tyre which is a very very quick tyre (2s over a 90s lap per another german mag vs the N2 Cup2). The manthey rs was pictured with a N0 Cup2 which in theory is a 918 tyre but was only very slightly off the .2rs times both at the ring and Hockenheim with SportAuto.....so in theory on the same tyre the manthey car would absolutely smack the .2rs but that seems a bit hard to believe. unless that N0 tyre used was actually a development Cup R tyre which would explain the proximity to the gen2 on the R tyre.....
3 ways set up race shocks gives the times as does the Bigger wing and 14kg saved on the wheelsThe .2 rs set it's time on the Cup2R tyre which is a very very quick tyre (2s over a 90s lap per another german mag vs the N2 Cup2). The manthey rs was pictured with a N0 Cup2 which in theory is a 918 tyre but was only very slightly off the .2rs times both at the ring and Hockenheim with SportAuto.....so in theory on the same tyre the manthey car would absolutely smack the .2rs but that seems a bit hard to believe. unless that N0 tyre used was actually a development Cup R tyre which would explain the proximity to the gen2 on the R tyre.....
the Manthey GT4 also shaved over 1 second off the oem car on the short 2.6 mile track.
I guess we will have to see what a 2.RS does with a bigger wing and some proper set up 3 way shocks does.
Really the Manthey cars are all about the custom set up 3 ways passive KW's. although the GT4 also had a bigger wing and the BBS 11kg saved wheels on it.
You need to read SportAuto a bit more carefully. The manthey car had the wing at a more aggressive angle not a bigger one and the mag wheels are pretty much the same as what the gen2 weissach rs was running. The KWs definitely would make a difference but I think it's very unlikely to make for anything like what a much stickier tyre can do...
isaldiri said:
You need to read SportAuto a bit more carefully. The manthey car had the wing at a more aggressive angle not a bigger one and the mag wheels are pretty much the same as what the gen2 weissach rs was running. The KWs definitely would make a difference but I think it's very unlikely to make for anything like what a much stickier tyre can do...
I stand corrected on the wing on the 991.1 RSThe 991.2 GT3 and GT4 have bigger wings on the Manthey cars.
The 991.1 RS had the aerodynamic optimized cover underbody with diffusor but that's so small it looks like nothing.
The shocks and tyres are key. I am getting my GT3 done at Manthey also next Spring :-)
but I need to see what has been done to tidy up the ill fitting RS splitter they have on their car and i'll stick with the BBS FI-R's
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 19th September 11:51
Porsche911R said:
The shocks and tyres are key. I am getting my GT3 done at Manthey also next Spring :-)
but I need to see what has been done to tidy up the ill fitting RS splitter they have on their car and i'll stick with the BBS FI-R's
Why ?but I need to see what has been done to tidy up the ill fitting RS splitter they have on their car and i'll stick with the BBS FI-R's
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 19th September 11:51
Porsche911R said:
Because I love making a car the best it can be within reason over what Porsche push out to for safe road use to the ave punter.
What do you use the car for out of interest, mainly road or track?How did you end up set up wise on the OEM configuration and where do you feel moving away from that will improve the car for you? I'm interested as I ran a 991 RS.1 and whilst the active never offers what a good passive can, I felt it was a great compromise and not worth voiding warranty for.
993rsr said:
What do you use the car for out of interest, mainly road or track?
How did you end up set up wise on the OEM configuration and where do you feel moving away from that will improve the car for you? I'm interested as I ran a 991 RS.1 and whilst the active never offers what a good passive can, I felt it was a great compromise and not worth voiding warranty for.
PM me :-)How did you end up set up wise on the OEM configuration and where do you feel moving away from that will improve the car for you? I'm interested as I ran a 991 RS.1 and whilst the active never offers what a good passive can, I felt it was a great compromise and not worth voiding warranty for.
Porsche911R said:
Because I love making a car the best it can be within reason over what Porsche push out to for safe road use to the ave punter.
Average punter here. I track my 997.2GT3, 991.2 GT3 and CGT all on standard factory settings. All three cars have been to the Alps this year and the 7.2 is going back there on Sunday. The limiting factor in my cars is the driver not the geo but I still enjoy driving and try to keep out of other people’s way.
lowndes said:
Average punter here. I track my 997.2GT3, 991.2 GT3 and CGT all on standard factory settings. All three cars have been to the Alps this year and the 7.2 is going back there on Sunday.
The limiting factor in my cars is the driver not the geo but I still enjoy driving and try to keep out of other people’s way.
I am happy you are happy with the car set ups you have, that's a nice place to be. The limiting factor in my cars is the driver not the geo but I still enjoy driving and try to keep out of other people’s way.
Porsche911R said:
PM me :-)
I’m sure I’m not alone on the forum in wanting to understand why you feel the OEM set up on the 991 GT3.2 even with its range of adjustment left you wanting more. What dynamic aspects are you looking to improve and change? Personally after older Porsche cars with passive, I didn’t get on with the active set up on my 997.2 RS and felt the 991 RS was a step change improvement.Come on don’t hide your light under a bushel.
lowndes said:
Porsche911R said:
Because I love making a car the best it can be within reason over what Porsche push out to for safe road use to the ave punter.
Average punter here. I track my 997.2GT3, 991.2 GT3 and CGT all on standard factory settings. All three cars have been to the Alps this year and the 7.2 is going back there on Sunday. The limiting factor in my cars is the driver not the geo but I still enjoy driving and try to keep out of other people’s way.
993rsr said:
I’m sure I’m not alone on the forum in wanting to understand why you feel the OEM set up on the 991 GT3.2 even with its range of adjustment left you wanting more. What dynamic aspects are you looking to improve and change? Personally after older Porsche cars with passive, I didn’t get on with the active set up on my 997.2 RS and felt the 991 RS was a step change improvement.
Come on don’t hide your light under a bushel.
I stopped posting my personal cars and set ups on forums last year. too many people slate them and too many people say all the gear no idea, so I tend to keep it a bit stum now. I'll happy chat on email about it. But I see a hint of piss take in your last post already ;-), that's fine, I expect it.Come on don’t hide your light under a bushel.
I am keeping the oem shocks, I was only going to Manthey to get it set up as they know what settings seem best for the car plus it's a great excuse for a euro hoon :-)
Places like Parr and the others seem to think a geo is theirs and they don't give them out.
which leaves me having 4 or 5 geo's done at quite a lot of money to dial them in for my use hence going direct to Manthey saves me money over doing it myself 5 times till I am happy. With track days, chalk and pyro tests. it's get very expensive as after 5 laps, you know you want to change a setting and cannot !
But a lot changes in a day and I now have a route going forward thanks to a old contact I had.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 19th September 17:17
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