GT3 gen2 or GT3RS gen1

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

I’m sure I’m not alone on the forum in wanting to understand why you feel the OEM set up on the 991 GT3.2 even with its range of adjustment left you wanting more. What dynamic aspects are you looking to improve and change? Personally after older Porsche cars with passive, I didn’t get on with the active set up on my 997.2 RS and felt the 991 RS was a step change improvement.

Come on don’t hide your light under a bushel.

I stopped posting my personal cars and set ups on forums last year. too many people slate them and too many people say all the gear no idea, so I tend to keep it a bit stum now. I'll happy chat on email about it.

I am keeping the oem shocks, I was only going to Manthey to get it set up as they know what settings seem best for the car plus it's a great excuse for a euro hoon :-)
Places like Parr and the others seem to think a geo is theirs and they don't give them out.
which leaves me having 4 or 5 geo's done at quite a lot of money to dial them in for my use hence going direct to Manthey saves me money over doing it myself 5 times till I am happy. With track days, chalk and pyro tests. it's get very expensive as after 5 laps, you know you want to change a setting and cannot !

But a lot changes in a day and I now have a route going forward thanks to a old contact I had.

Come on don't go all coy on us!

You were more than happy to stomp all over me earlier and tell me to shut up because you couldn't be bothered to read what I was saying and have a mature debate.

From what I've seen you're not usually backwards about coming forwards:-) You've gone from intimating that you were going to have Manthey 'throw the lot at it' as the car was simply not good enough with OEM suspension for your 'superior' driving skills, to opening up and being clear in what you want to achieve which I'm sure would get a lot of people wanting to input rather than thinking you are crowing about being a driving god!

There are plenty of people on here that are skilled and eloquent enough to guide you on a set up without having to go all the way to Meuspath although as you say it's a good excuse for a hoon. If you compared Manthey/Parr/ all the guys the set up would be very close to each other. I have a set up for 911's I used and someone commented that was very similar to what JZM suggested, it's not black magic the tuners just want you to think it is!

There is so much knowledge to tap into on the forum, it's such a shame that people with something to offer are put off from contributing these days.

Edited by 993rsr on Wednesday 19th September 17:25

[footsoldier]

isaldiri said:

There is something a bit strange about the manthey gen1 times though.

The .2 rs set it's time on the Cup2R tyre which is a very very quick tyre (2s over a 90s lap per another german mag vs the N2 Cup2). The manthey rs was pictured with a N0 Cup2 which in theory is a 918 tyre but was only very slightly off the .2rs times both at the ring and Hockenheim with SportAuto.....so in theory on the same tyre the manthey car would absolutely smack the .2rs but that seems a bit hard to believe. unless that N0 tyre used was actually a development Cup R tyre which would explain the proximity to the gen2 on the R tyre.....

I asked the Manthey guys face to face about tyres. They said that the only time they have had a Cup R or equivalent was at Spa on the GT2RS, and that was a used set from Porsche. I believe the guy that told me that.
As of tomorrow. the Cup R is available for sale (though I guess we don't know if it's the same compound as the 'pre-production" ones.
They reckon it was 4secs per lap improvement round Spa, like for like, same day.

[Porsche911R]

993rsr said:

Come on don't go all coy on us!

You were more than happy to stomp all over me earlier and tell me to shut up because you couldn't be bothered to read what I was saying and have a mature debate.

From what I've seen you're not usually backwards about coming forwards:-) You've gone from intimating that you were going to have Manthey 'throw the lot at it' as the car was simply not good enough with OEM suspension for your 'superior' driving skills, to opening up and being clear in what you want to achieve which I'm sure would get a lot of people wanting to input rather than thinking you are crowing about being a driving god!

There are plenty of people on here that are skilled and eloquent enough to guide you on a set up without having to go all the way to Meuspath although as you say it's a good excuse for a hoon. If you compared Manthey/Parr/ all the guys the set up would be very close to each other. I have a set up for 911's I used and someone commented that was very similar to what JZM suggested, it's not black magic the tuners just want you to think it is!

There is so much knowledge to tap into on the forum, it's such a shame that people with something to offer are put off from contributing these days.

While it's not black magic, for the ave punter it's very time consuming and can get expensive to dial a car in. Hence this time I stated I was going direct to Manthey.

[993rsr]

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

Come on don't go all coy on us!

You were more than happy to stomp all over me earlier and tell me to shut up because you couldn't be bothered to read what I was saying and have a mature debate.

From what I've seen you're not usually backwards about coming forwards:-) You've gone from intimating that you were going to have Manthey 'throw the lot at it' as the car was simply not good enough with OEM suspension for your 'superior' driving skills, to opening up and being clear in what you want to achieve which I'm sure would get a lot of people wanting to input rather than thinking you are crowing about being a driving god!

There are plenty of people on here that are skilled and eloquent enough to guide you on a set up without having to go all the way to Meuspath although as you say it's a good excuse for a hoon. If you compared Manthey/Parr/ all the guys the set up would be very close to each other. I have a set up for 911's I used and someone commented that was very similar to what JZM suggested, it's not black magic the tuners just want you to think it is!

There is so much knowledge to tap into on the forum, it's such a shame that people with something to offer are put off from contributing these days.

While it's not black magic, for the ave punter it's very time consuming and can get expensive to dial a car in. Hence this time I stated I was going direct to Manthey.

To the contrary, within the members that post here there's plenty that can tell you what would work, and plenty of places that can do it for you in the UK. - that's providing you tell them what you want to achieve - Manthey will ask what you want from the set up. It's whether you can cross the threshold to ask for some input on here, or go to Manthey and get possibly less good results that are based on what they see as a good set up chasing lap times, rather than what you want as a track day driver.

Here's my suggestion, why not post up what you feel you need to 'dial the car' in, there's plenty of people especially the likes of Steve Rance who can help you out with a set up - for free!

You seem not to want to share what the issues are with the OEM set up and what you are looking to get to, be good for you to post what you feel's not right/ what you want to improve and open up a bit and I'm sure you'll some really good input.

It would be a really interesting and I'm sure help a lot of other people that don't like to ask, and be far more appealing than the constant value threads and what's best for investment.

I admit one of my last posts was a bit 'tongue in cheek' to try and flush you out, but I'm serious about what I've just written, I really think you could learn a lot about chassis set up by just asking and save yourself a bundle of shekels in the process.

Edited by 993rsr on Wednesday 19th September 18:16

[MDL111]

While you guys are on the topic - anybody got some recommendations for a Scuderia as a say 50/50 road and track car? Stock setup and Corsa Tyres seem like there should be more possible.

I have no clue, so any advice would be welcome

[993rsr]

MDL111 said:

While you guys are on the topic - anybody got some recommendations for a Scuderia as a say 50/50 road and track car? Stock setup and Corsa Tyres seem like there should be more possible.

I have no clue, so any advice would be welcome

Something along these lines, maybe a touch more camber + 1/2 degree front and rear, which I'd run on a 911, this is for my 980:

For the ARB's, personally I'd go full stiff on the rear and one off full soft on the front but I prefer rear bias, maybe set the ARB's in the middle and play around from there (presume the 430 has adjustable ARB's sorry not an Fman!)

If you are getting push stiffen the rear and soften the front, then vice versa if too much oversteer.

[lowndes]

And just a thought about standard factory settings. Forget the speed which was somewhere south of Hanover, but the lateral were probably Donington at the PCGB day (dry and warm). On this evidence the standard factory set up and Cup 2 clearly provide a considerable amount of grip for the average punter to explore.

[MDL111]

993rsr said:

MDL111 said:

While you guys are on the topic - anybody got some recommendations for a Scuderia as a say 50/50 road and track car? Stock setup and Corsa Tyres seem like there should be more possible.

I have no clue, so any advice would be welcome

Something along these lines, maybe a touch more camber + 1/2 degree front and rear, which I'd run on a 911, this is for my 980:

For the ARB's, personally I'd go full stiff on the rear and one off full soft on the front but I prefer rear bias, maybe set the ARB's in the middle and play around from there (presume the 430 has adjustable ARB's sorry not an Fman!)

If you are getting push stiffen the rear and soften the front, then vice versa if too much oversteer.

great, thank you so much - will see what is possible (have never tried to get a car properly set up and have only owned this one for a year/one summer)

[993rsr]

[quote=Porsche911R]

While it's not black magic, for the ave punter it's very time consuming and can get expensive to dial a car in. Hence this time I stated I was going direct to Manthey.

I won’t post the full pm you sent me out of courtesy:-)

But with all due respect if your pro driver told you he doesn’t want settings for a 991gt3.2 shared - this is a road car not a competition car so he’s not giving away something that his race competitors are able to use to their advantage - and it includes lots of ride height settings that a ‘normal’ person would not get at any tuner then you’ve been completely hoodwinked!

What a load of cobblers!

[993rsr]

993rsr]orsche911R said:

While it's not black magic, for the ave punter it's very time consuming and can get expensive to dial a car in. Hence this time I stated I was going direct to Manthey.

I won’t post the full pm you sent me out of courtesy:-)

But with all due respect if your pro driver told you he doesn’t want settings for a 991gt3.2 shared - this is a road car not a competition car so he’s not giving away something that his race competitors are able to use to their advantage - and it includes lots of ride height settings that a ‘normal’ person would not get at any tuner then you’ve been completely hoodwinked!

What a load of cobblers!

And as per my earlier point the set up should be tailored for you and your driving not your pal who’s a pro driver.

You clearly won’t open up about what you feel is wrong with the car and you’ve got a super duper pro driver set up that by default will work for you.

Wasted opportunity IMO but hey ho.

[993rsr]

MDL111 said:

great, thank you so much - will see what is possible (have never tried to get a car properly set up and have only owned this one for a year/one summer)

Also a touch of rake to the front and get it corner weighted with your weight in the drivers seat.

[993rsr]

[quote=993rsr]owndes]And just a thought about standard factory settings. Forget the speed which was somewhere south of Hanover, but the lateral were probably Donington at the PCGB day (dry and warm). On this evidence the standard factory set up and Cup 2 clearly provide a considerable amount of grip for the average punter to explore.

Absolutely but ultimately you will be working the outside of the tyre more than the inside and need more camber to balance that out.

But that’s just it we get what we all want and need from such flexible platforms, marvellous!

[hunter 66]

993rsr agree set up is very personal and depends how far you want to go . I like just like more camber on the front and slightly lower on the front to change the angle of the whole car .... That is it . JZM wanted ate do a lot more ( toe out etc ) including rolling the arches on the rear for more rear camber. But the .2 I think needs less as quite stiff .
As to the Scud .Only raced the GT3 version and a very different car to a Porsche ... even Macca had so big spins , but that was possibly the Pirrelli Slicks which were hard work

[lowndes]

993rsr said:

Absolutely but ultimately you will be working the outside of the tyre more than the inside and need more camber to balance that out.

But that’s just it we get what we all want and need from such flexible platforms, marvellous!

Many thanks for the suggestion. I'm due at CG shortly and have no doubt Chris would agree with you. That said I just need to keep in mind that the 7k miles in the 991.2GT3 this year included only two Oultons and a Donington, so pretty much road bias. 5mm left in the deep grooves though less on the shoulder

[993rsr]

lowndes said:

993rsr said:

Absolutely but ultimately you will be working the outside of the tyre more than the inside and need more camber to balance that out.

But that’s just it we get what we all want and need from such flexible platforms, marvellous!

Many thanks for the suggestion. I'm due at CG shortly and have no doubt Chris would agree with you. That said I just need to keep in mind that the 7k miles in the 991.2GT3 this year included only two Oultons and a Donington, so pretty much road bias. 5mm left in the deep grooves though less on the shoulder

Tickle more camber then ;-)

Say hi to Chris, tell him it's John who took him round Portimao last year in a 991RS a little bit sideways, hope he's got over the experience, he was very quiet afterwards which I'm led to believe is unusual !

[MDL111]

993rsr said:

MDL111 said:

great, thank you so much - will see what is possible (have never tried to get a car properly set up and have only owned this one for a year/one summer)

Also a touch of rake to the front and get it corner weighted with your weight in the drivers seat.

thank you, highly appreciated - will only be able to judge results next summer, but am looking forward to it

[993rsr]

MDL111 said:

993rsr said:

MDL111 said:

great, thank you so much - will see what is possible (have never tried to get a car properly set up and have only owned this one for a year/one summer)

Also a touch of rake to the front and get it corner weighted with your weight in the drivers seat.

thank you, highly appreciated - will only be able to judge results next summer, but am looking forward to it

Pleasure, let us know how you get on, be interested to see the before and after geo if possible.

[isaldiri]

MDL111 said:

993rsr said:

I have no clue, so any advice would be welcome

Something along these lines, maybe a touch more camber + 1/2 degree front and rear, which I'd run on a 911, this is for my 980:

For the ARB's, personally I'd go full stiff on the rear and one off full soft on the front but I prefer rear bias, maybe set the ARB's in the middle and play around from there (presume the 430 has adjustable ARB's sorry not an Fman!)

If you are getting push stiffen the rear and soften the front, then vice versa if too much oversteer.
great, thank you so much - will see what is possible (have never tried to get a car properly set up and have only owned this one for a year/one summer)

I think the 430 and scud anti roll bars are non adjustable just to mention so you're stuck with stock unless you want to put in Challenge bars. But I'd definitely agree 993rsr's settings are a good baseline to start with then tweak as you require later. As he says, tuners like to suggest it's magic but a lot of the time the end results are pretty close and funnily enough both my 7rs and old 12c have had settings not dissimilar to what he posted on his cgt (both seperately setup by different people).

[Yellow491]

993rsr said:

Tickle more camber then ;-)

Say hi to Chris, tell him it's John who took him round Portimao last year in a 991RS a little bit sideways, hope he's got over the experience, he was very quiet afterwards which I'm led to believe is unusual !

Ha,remember doing the same to chris at oulton in the early yellow car,he was amazed at the grip in my chassis and wanted to now my settings
Manthey is not the b all and end all in porsche,i dont get why people have tripple adjustables on a road car with modern very good dampers available,with simple adjustments.You almost need to be a chassis engineer or spend a awefull lot of time adjusting the car for differant venues with tripples,otherwise there is no point,very often going backwards before you get it right.

[hunter 66]

993rsr said:

Tickle more camber then ;-)

Say hi to Chris, tell him it's John who took him round Portimao last year in a 991RS a little bit sideways, hope he's got over the experience, he was very quiet afterwards which I'm led to believe is unusual !

You sideways .... would never have believed that