gt3 ...138 cars for sale !!!!

[Juno]

MartinRS2K said:

I apologise for my remarks (I won't remove the post as I agree it shows how things can be taken the wrong way)

I was on my phone and thought he said QUALITY

I'm just being defensive as there are certain PH posters who I won't mention that are constantly knocking the Touring as they don't think it is a 'Proper' GT3

Nice apology the motto of the story A’s Confucius would say “Don’t rant while on phone if only have small cock or GT Touring BIGGO MISTAKO

[MartinRS2K]

Juno said:

MartinRS2K said:

I apologise for my remarks (I won't remove the post as I agree it shows how things can be taken the wrong way)

I was on my phone and thought he said QUALITY

I'm just being defensive as there are certain PH posters who I won't mention that are constantly knocking the Touring as they don't think it is a 'Proper' GT3

Nice apology the motto of the story A’s Confucius would say “Don’t rant while on phone if only have small cock or GT Touring BIGGO MISTAKO

Thanks Juno

At least I wasn't driving whilst reading and typing my response

One out of two isn't all bad, shame it's only the Touring I have

[2010spy]

And to boot the Tourings are now only worth £111,000....

Edited by 2010spy on Wednesday 14th November 18:34

[browngt3]

Would imagine for most of their readers £111k for a car is an obscene amount of money. So little difference if they'd quoted its real value... whatever that is.

[av185]

browngt3 said:

av185 said:

254 PDKs up to q2 2018 as Taffy says.

Can you provide the link to prove your claim there are a minimum of 346 'manuels'?

Seems unlikely to me that there are c100 more 'manuels'. Anecdotal evidence points to an even split at best. In real life almost all 991.2GT3s I come across seem to be PDK

So

1. As noone has provided proof on numbers as requested I still maintain (As well as Brown GT3) it is unlikely there are more 'manuels' than PDKs. So that means around max 500 gen2s in the UK not 600.

2. Unlikely there will be any more GT3RS according to many 'in the know.'

Discuss! :

[Twinfan]

I thought several people in the know stated there WERE more GT3RSs coming, and have said so for a couple of months.

Not seen any indication of any though have we...

[Twinfan]

Maybe, but it's all just speculation as far as I can see. Nobody has placed an order yet and the 992 launch is imminent.

[Fokker]

I was told a while ago by a dealer, not the masseuse that allocations would come through in Nov, all cars Weissach pack and no filter.

Taffy's news is newer than mine though and it was from a different dealer.
I absolutely think that there will be more allocations though, if they can bring out N/A GT4 and Spyder / Speedster, you can bet on your Nelly that there will be more RS'. The Gen 2 RS is boarding on being cheap at the moment. The flippers wont be ordering one.

[Porsche911R]

Fokker said:

The Gen 2 RS is boarding on being cheap at the moment.

only on PH is a £177k car cheap.

[Twinfan]

Fokker said:

if they can bring out N/A GT4 and Spyder / Speedster, you can bet on your Nelly that there will be more RS'.

The GT4 and Spyder are new models, and the Speedster is a custom run-out special.

I don't doubt that Porsche could produce more RSs for the UK if they wanted, but with the 992 launch any minute re-releasing a 991 model 911 seems an odd move to me. I guess we'll find out over the next two weeks if allocations are forthcoming

[cormeist]

Fokker said:

I was told a while ago by a dealer, not the masseuse that allocations would come through in Nov, all cars Weissach pack and no filter.

Taffy's news is newer than mine though and it was from a different dealer.
I absolutely think that there will be more allocations though, if they can bring out N/A GT4 and Spyder / Speedster, you can bet on your Nelly that there will be more RS'. The Gen 2 RS is boarding on being cheap at the moment. The flippers wont be ordering one.

Only the release colour I quote as you say ‘cheap’, not sure if it helps much but I have now been given the nod to re-spec my Cayenne Turbo, having already spec it a while ago with a delivery of December 2018... which had now been put back till March/April 19. I have to agree that with imminent release the 992 what reason would they release a ‘few’ more to U.K. when USA are all over them with also having the PTS option...

[n17ves]

av185 said:

So

1. As noone has provided proof on numbers as requested I still maintain (As well as Brown GT3) it is unlikely there are more 'manuels' than PDKs. So that means around max 500 gen2s in the UK not 600.

2. Unlikely there will be any more GT3RS according to many 'in the know.'

Discuss! :

The below suggests more than 600 registered 2017/18...

Manual



PDK

[Juno]

Only 126 left now,hurry up before they have all gone

[GT4RS]

n17ves said:

av185 said:

So

1. As noone has provided proof on numbers as requested I still maintain (As well as Brown GT3) it is unlikely there are more 'manuels' than PDKs. So that means around max 500 gen2s in the UK not 600.

2. Unlikely there will be any more GT3RS according to many 'in the know.'

Discuss! :

The below suggests more than 600 registered 2017/18...

Manual



PDK

Based on the data provided by the dvla there is around 40 more 991.2 gt3 cars on the road in the UK than 981 gt4 cars and that doesn’t include the 991.2 gt3 rs current numbers plus the second patch coming.

Goes to show fair play to Porsche they definitely increased production by some smile to meet the current demand.

[cardigankid]

I’ve never had a GT3 or a GT4. Without getting to the level of technicality and knowledge some have on here, I have gone off Porsche and I now have other fish to fry which are rather more important. The last real world Porsche which I would have bought was the 981 series Cayman or Boxster GTS. (I had a 981 Boxster GTS), because what I want is a top class manual box with a ‘howling’ naturally aspirated six cylinder engine, and short of a GT4 which they were not going to sell me, that was as close as I could get. To me the whole GT thing is a marketing con. The magazines rave about them (I’m about to cancel my subscriptions to those also) but you can’t go into a showroom and buy one, so the comparisons are specious. A few selected individuals get the golden ticket to buy GT products. Meanwhile PCGB seem to encourage their dealers to sell older GT cars at a premium to list, which is a game I am not prepared to play. Their four cylinder turbos are unexciting, and the standard 911 lacks the visceral excitement we are clearly looking for. The best real world option seems to be a 911T with the Litchfield upgrade. It’s very simple. If they won’t sell you the cars you really want, to hell with them.

Porsche build a good car, but surely what we have now got is the best badge engineering operation in the world. They sell reheated VW products with Porsche badges and make a fortune. Good luck to them. Surely the best thing is to accept that the Porsche we loved is history, and look for other companies who are prepared to deliver the goods?

I’m thinking Ariel, McLaren, Renault Alpine. McLaren just need to offer a manual box and an engine that delivers the experience, the way Ferrari do. It can’t be rocket science. It’s not about going faster, who can still be naive enough to think that, it’s about generating adrenaline. I’m prepared to consider anything that performs that function, and Porsche’s Stockbroker Specials just don’t.

Edited by cardigankid on Sunday 18th November 22:11

[browngt3]

cardigankid said:

I’ve never had a GT3 or a GT4. Without getting to the level of technicality and knowledge some have on here, I have gone off Porsche and I now have other fish to fry which are rather more important. The last real world Porsche which I would have bought was the 981 series Cayman or Boxster GTS. (I had a 981 Boxster GTS), because what I want is a top class manual box with a ‘howling’ naturally aspirated six cylinder engine, and short of a GT4 which they were not going to sell me, that was as close as I could get. To me the whole GT thing is a marketing con. The magazines rave about them (I’m about to cancel my subscriptions to those also) but you can’t go into a showroom and buy one, so the comparisons are specious. A few selected individuals get the golden ticket to buy GT products. Meanwhile PCGB seem to encourage their dealers to sell older GT cars at a premium to list, which is a game I am not prepared to play. Their four cylinder turbos are unexciting, and the standard 911 lacks the visceral excitement we are clearly looking for. The best real world option seems to be a 911T with the Litchfield upgrade. It’s very simple. If they won’t sell you the cars you really want, to hell with them.

Porsche build a good car, but surely what we have now got is the best badge engineering operation in the world. They sell reheated VW products with Porsche badges and make a fortune. Good luck to them. Surely the best thing is to accept that the Porsche we loved is history, and look for other companies who are prepared to deliver the goods?

I’m thinking Ariel, McLaren, Renault Alpine. McLaren just need to offer a manual box and an engine that delivers the experience, the way Ferrari do. It can’t be rocket science. It’s not about going faster, who can still be naive enough to think that, it’s about generating adrenaline. I’m prepared to consider anything that performs that function, and Porsche’s Stockbroker Specials just don’t.

Edited by cardigankid on Sunday 18th November 22:11

I respect your opinion but don't agree with much of that at all. I didn't have to go through any hurdles to get a GT3 and I don't see how it's a marketing con. The GT3 does exactly what it says on the tin. Spectacularly so. When a product is that good demand will unsurprisingly outstrip supply. Hardly Porsches fault is it? Regarding the rest of the sports car range I believe Porsche are on a roll. This year I've also driven a 991.2 GTS and 718 Cayman S and I promise you they are Porsches through and through. Both are fantastic and rewarding drivers cars and I normally prefer N/A too. Maybe you should forget the corporate b***cks and open your eyes to what is a superb range of good value sports cars. Porsche also offer the manual option for us keen drivers which is more than can be said of the other makes you mention. So adrenalin available in plenty

[Geoff39GL]

Firstly none of the cars you specify offer a vehicle that meets your requirements.

I owned a 981GTS Boxster which was a superb car, I now own a GT4 which is not necessarily better its different but still offers the 6cyl manual experience you are looking for, I was not one of the fortunate ones to be able to buy at list, I paid £10k over for a 15 month old car with 2 previous owners and 300 miles on the clock. My GT4 now 18months on has covered 13k miles as a 3rd car including several track days. I suggest your current choice is either a GT4 or Boxster Spyder which will be at least 2 years old, probably with very low mileage and still at about list price. I am assuming you will not be in the market for a GT3 based on needing to pay approx £25k overs. The GT4 / Spyder are lovely cars and your best option currently on the market offering the experience you are wanting. The upcoming GT4 / Spyder is likely to be N/A with a manual box, how many there will be is unknown currently and with the current market conditions and Brexit you may have a better chance than you think, I suggest you wait and see, talk to the OPC's and be persistent I can pretty much guarantee if you are successful it will be worth it.
Porsche moving to 4 cyl turbo's is due to legislation they have little choice and we will all be electric before we know it. Don't miss the opportunity to own one of the last N/A manual sports cars, a well specced used car is still very special. Porsche is still the only supercar manufacturer with reasonable overall ownership costs.

[Taffy66]

Due to Porsche's unrivaled profit they are able to allocate only a small percentage into R&D which translates to great roadcars. this is primarily the reason they haven't come up with a duffer in my living memory.
Having said that as the old saying goes 'Familiarity breeds contempt' Porsche are in danger of becoming a victim of its own success, Take the brilliance and allure of their GT cars out of the equation and they revert to just another mainstream car maker. If they continue to over exploit their GT cars then they risk losing their main brand ethos.
This is why i'm currently inexorably drawn towards Mclaren and Ferrari which haven't diluted their strong brand kudos by bulk building everyday cars.

[franki68]

n17ves said:

av185 said:

So

1. As noone has provided proof on numbers as requested I still maintain (As well as Brown GT3) it is unlikely there are more 'manuels' than PDKs. So that means around max 500 gen2s in the UK not 600.

2. Unlikely there will be any more GT3RS according to many 'in the know.'

Discuss! :

The below suggests more than 600 registered 2017/18...

Manual



PDK

That’s a fair few more manuals

[Twinfan]

380 manuals and 254 PDK according to the 2018 Q2 DVLA registrations figures.

For the GT3 RS there were 123 but also 15 manuals(!) so I suspect there are a few that were mis-registered.