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Dammit said:
, the UK economy is about to crash -
that's just bad mouth talk like the bank of England manager stating house drops of 35% a bad rumor mill to keep us in the EU,it's a nasty battle from both parties and that was clear from the start that every thing is made up to put down the other side. to win a vote
the stay in voters seem to be students and Central London, the rest want out ASAP.
I cannot get into any nice food place unless I book 3 months in advance for a Saturday night.
Shops are closing due to higher rents and internet and Amazon not Brexit :-( food seems to be booming if you do it right places are packed out.
we have an over supply of not just GT cars but ALL cars ! we have less people out of work than as far as I can remember ! in fact we have skills shortage and people shortage if anything which mean more people in work.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 27th September 11:26
We haven't left yet, as I feel should be obvious.
However, I reckon things will start to happen very rapidly once May confirms that she can't get a withdrawal agreement and therefore there is no transition.
Note- the worst case scenario modelled here relies on a smooth exit, which we are not going to get:
So! Cheap GT3's for all!
However, I reckon things will start to happen very rapidly once May confirms that she can't get a withdrawal agreement and therefore there is no transition.
Note- the worst case scenario modelled here relies on a smooth exit, which we are not going to get:
So! Cheap GT3's for all!
Digga said:
As I said, numerically dyslexic. The reductions are relative to underlying growth.
Ok, some Googling later, normal growth rate is estimated by OBR to be 1.5%.To arrive at -7.7% lower growth in 2032 under WTO rules implies an average annual growth rate of 0.939%.
These are the governments figures, and they predict a loss of 188Bn by that same 2032 point.
That's a lot of GT3's, and it's a very optimistic model - and it show the UK economy growing at half the rate of the entire EU group of countries.
Dammit said:
Digga said:
As I said, numerically dyslexic. The reductions are relative to underlying growth.
Very happy to listen to an explanation, lets take the "7.7% reduction relative to growth" figure, what does that mean?Arguing on here about Brexit isn't going to make a scrap of difference to the outcome.
My view is that we were doing reasonably well as we were so why rock the boat and potentially cock things up for ourselves.
It will be interesting to hear the reaction of 'Leavers' if the s
t really hits the fan though in the event that we actually leave.
However I wouldn't be surprised if at the last minute the whole thing falls apart and we end up having another vote and staying.
My view is that we were doing reasonably well as we were so why rock the boat and potentially cock things up for ourselves.
It will be interesting to hear the reaction of 'Leavers' if the s
t really hits the fan though in the event that we actually leave.However I wouldn't be surprised if at the last minute the whole thing falls apart and we end up having another vote and staying.
Dammit said:
I think the EU 27 quite sincerely want us gone now, and we don't have time to get another referendum through parliament before we're ejected so I suspect we're going into the rocks at speed.
The only way we're not going to do so is if whoever replaces May this Autumn retracts A50.
none of that will happen and that's the issue, the UK need to be on the same side to get things moving, talk of another referendum is just mind numbing backwards from the stay in voters and makes things 5x worse than the crap we are in atm.The only way we're not going to do so is if whoever replaces May this Autumn retracts A50.
porkey said:
Arguing on here about Brexit isn't going to make a scrap of difference to the outcome.
No one is arguing AFAIK - there's a sensible discussion, apropos of the effect on the GT car market.Put simply, some see trouble, others don't. Given, however, that those who are fearful (and I do not mock or deride this, just merely do not personally subscribe wholeheartedly to it) are a.) more likely to be selling up and b.) very unlikely to be buying, we can see a fairly predictable supply and demand effect.
Digga said:
o one is arguing AFAIK - there's a sensible discussion, apropos of the effect on the GT car market.
Put simply, some see trouble, others don't. Given, however, that those who are fearful (and I do not mock or deride this, just merely do not personally subscribe wholeheartedly to it) are a.) more likely to be selling up and b.) very unlikely to be buying, we can see a fairly predictable supply and demand effect.
Sorry, I didn't mean arguing. I should have said 'Having a lively debate' Put simply, some see trouble, others don't. Given, however, that those who are fearful (and I do not mock or deride this, just merely do not personally subscribe wholeheartedly to it) are a.) more likely to be selling up and b.) very unlikely to be buying, we can see a fairly predictable supply and demand effect.
Digga said:
o one is arguing AFAIK - there's a sensible discussion, apropos of the effect on the GT car market.
Put simply, some see trouble, others don't. Given, however, that those who are fearful (and I do not mock or deride this, just merely do not personally subscribe wholeheartedly to it) are a.) more likely to be selling up and b.) very unlikely to be buying, we can see a fairly predictable supply and demand effect.
The government forecasts show GDP growth halving - a loss of an estimated 188Bn over the next 15 years (if I am interpreting these things correctly).Put simply, some see trouble, others don't. Given, however, that those who are fearful (and I do not mock or deride this, just merely do not personally subscribe wholeheartedly to it) are a.) more likely to be selling up and b.) very unlikely to be buying, we can see a fairly predictable supply and demand effect.
It puts UK growth at 0.9% whilst Eurozone growth is ~2%.
How much of an impact that has on you does of course depend to an extent on your circumstances - those who can buy a new GT3 are unlikely to run into a great deal of turbulence unless they are reliant on one of the sectors which will be impacted for their income.
That to one side, we also have the (un-forecasted) impact of blocked ports, no aircraft flying etc etc.
I was in London for the riots, I saw vans racing past with "HEDLU" on the side - we only just kept a lid on London with Police pulled from all round the UK.
Going to be interesting when the whole UK finds that there's no fuel and no food in the supermarket.
How to model those impacts on when to buy that GT3?
A Brexit thread? Cool, I thought this was a Porsche forum not NP&E lol.
Why the fk is the thing taking so damn long is what I want to know. The EU have a vested interest in punishing the UK for leaving , as a message to other member states to stop breaking up their empire, and so we’ll never get a deal worth having and the sooner we’re out the better in my view. WTO rules fine, no deal, great just get moving, we should’ve been negotiating trade agreements the day after the referendum result rather than wasting time trying to play ball negotiating with the EU in a game we’re never going to win. All these obstacles, the death rattles of the remoaners just delay the inevitable.
Project fear in full flow still I see, (and I was particularly looking forward to Osbourne’s punishment budget), the remoaner plan seems to be to drag it out for as long as possible and sneak in a 2nd referendum at some point when public opinion allows. Sneaky fkers in my view are the remoaners, and a lot of vested interests there for sure.
EU is a dying Empire, the future is in the East, competition is global. The negative bks I have to read everywhere from remoaners is just nauseating, that ship has sailed. Almost reminds me of the shift away from Nasp to turbo charging. And they just can’t stop whinging about that either lol.
Why the fk is the thing taking so damn long is what I want to know. The EU have a vested interest in punishing the UK for leaving , as a message to other member states to stop breaking up their empire, and so we’ll never get a deal worth having and the sooner we’re out the better in my view. WTO rules fine, no deal, great just get moving, we should’ve been negotiating trade agreements the day after the referendum result rather than wasting time trying to play ball negotiating with the EU in a game we’re never going to win. All these obstacles, the death rattles of the remoaners just delay the inevitable.
Project fear in full flow still I see, (and I was particularly looking forward to Osbourne’s punishment budget), the remoaner plan seems to be to drag it out for as long as possible and sneak in a 2nd referendum at some point when public opinion allows. Sneaky f
kers in my view are the remoaners, and a lot of vested interests there for sure.EU is a dying Empire, the future is in the East, competition is global. The negative b
ks I have to read everywhere from remoaners is just nauseating, that ship has sailed. Almost reminds me of the shift away from Nasp to turbo charging. And they just can’t stop whinging about that either lol.Dammit said:
That to one side, we also have the (un-forecasted) impact of blocked ports, no aircraft flying etc etc.
I was in London for the riots, I saw vans racing past with "HEDLU" on the side - we only just kept a lid on London with Police pulled from all round the UK.
Going to be interesting when the whole UK finds that there's no fuel and no food in the supermarket.
more scare talk, so we now have 35% house price drops, no food , no petrol and no air flights out the UK lolI was in London for the riots, I saw vans racing past with "HEDLU" on the side - we only just kept a lid on London with Police pulled from all round the UK.
Going to be interesting when the whole UK finds that there's no fuel and no food in the supermarket.
other countries will want to deal with us so badly as they need our money it should be the end of the EU within 5 years or sooner one hopes.
Dammit said:
The government forecasts show GDP growth halving - a loss of an estimated 188Bn over the next 15 years (if I am interpreting these things correctly).
It puts UK growth at 0.9% whilst Eurozone growth is ~2%.
A good explanation here, although I have also seen others: https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-image-brexit-cos...It puts UK growth at 0.9% whilst Eurozone growth is ~2%.
Dammit said:
How to model those impacts on when to buy that GT3?
Not my problem mate. Already got one and not selling it. 
To be honest I struggle to see the point of most modern high performance cars. The roads are rammed with traffic, speed cameras everywhere, potholes, cyclists, old people. If we all spent less on these pointless possessions and drove old Landrovers or 2CV's, grew our own veg and knitted jumpers in our spare time, life could be much less frantic. We'd all probably live longer as well. 
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