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When were the first 991.2 GT3 cars released ?
I imagine that on the third anniversary of that date is when we will see the biggest ( relative) drop in asking price. Until then it’ll continue to be a gentle drop..Again, when was the 1.2 first sold ? Early 2017 ??
Most flippers / very low mile cars will be getting out now as they will be worried about the prices gently plummeting, and people who bought new will now know that they will very soon NOT get list back from their supplying dealer, against a new one, but in the mean time if they have a greed/ forced sale they will ask silly overs, and try to sell through a specialist but in the full knowledge that if they sell now, through a specialist, then they are massively gambling as the OPC dealer may tell them very politely to shove it when their expected rightful next nod nod wink wink car comes in...
This is why specialists are offering cars at prices non too dissimilar to OPC’s I’d say, because if they have a greed / forced sale, then they will take the lower commission from a specialist, and they know they won’t get another from Porsche if they were the first owner and can’t hang on for the next one for some reason
I reckon that OPC’s selling on SOR will be offering little more than list for people selling now, and if they buy one with a few thousand on it , it will be list at best...
I imagine that on the third anniversary of that date is when we will see the biggest ( relative) drop in asking price. Until then it’ll continue to be a gentle drop..Again, when was the 1.2 first sold ? Early 2017 ??
Most flippers / very low mile cars will be getting out now as they will be worried about the prices gently plummeting, and people who bought new will now know that they will very soon NOT get list back from their supplying dealer, against a new one, but in the mean time if they have a greed/ forced sale they will ask silly overs, and try to sell through a specialist but in the full knowledge that if they sell now, through a specialist, then they are massively gambling as the OPC dealer may tell them very politely to shove it when their expected rightful next nod nod wink wink car comes in...
This is why specialists are offering cars at prices non too dissimilar to OPC’s I’d say, because if they have a greed / forced sale, then they will take the lower commission from a specialist, and they know they won’t get another from Porsche if they were the first owner and can’t hang on for the next one for some reason
I reckon that OPC’s selling on SOR will be offering little more than list for people selling now, and if they buy one with a few thousand on it , it will be list at best...
angussampson said:
When were the first 991.2 GT3 cars released ?
I imagine that on the third anniversary of that date is when we will see the biggest ( relative) drop in asking price. Until then it’ll continue to be a gentle drop..Again, when was the 1.2 first sold ? Early 2017 ??
Most flippers / very low mile cars will be getting out now as they will be worried about the prices gently plummeting, and people who bought new will now know that they will very soon NOT get list back from their supplying dealer, against a new one, but in the mean time if they have a greed/ forced sale they will ask silly overs, and try to sell through a specialist but in the full knowledge that if they sell now, through a specialist, then they are massively gambling as the OPC dealer may tell them very politely to shove it when their expected rightful next nod nod wink wink car comes in...
This is why specialists are offering cars at prices non too dissimilar to OPC’s I’d say, because if they have a greed / forced sale, then they will take the lower commission from a specialist, and they know they won’t get another from Porsche if they were the first owner and can’t hang on for the next one for some reason
I reckon that OPC’s selling on SOR will be offering little more than list for people selling now, and if they buy one with a few thousand on it , it will be list at best...
Spot on, many others have said the same but get shot down in flames.I imagine that on the third anniversary of that date is when we will see the biggest ( relative) drop in asking price. Until then it’ll continue to be a gentle drop..Again, when was the 1.2 first sold ? Early 2017 ??
Most flippers / very low mile cars will be getting out now as they will be worried about the prices gently plummeting, and people who bought new will now know that they will very soon NOT get list back from their supplying dealer, against a new one, but in the mean time if they have a greed/ forced sale they will ask silly overs, and try to sell through a specialist but in the full knowledge that if they sell now, through a specialist, then they are massively gambling as the OPC dealer may tell them very politely to shove it when their expected rightful next nod nod wink wink car comes in...
This is why specialists are offering cars at prices non too dissimilar to OPC’s I’d say, because if they have a greed / forced sale, then they will take the lower commission from a specialist, and they know they won’t get another from Porsche if they were the first owner and can’t hang on for the next one for some reason
I reckon that OPC’s selling on SOR will be offering little more than list for people selling now, and if they buy one with a few thousand on it , it will be list at best...
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angussampson said:
When were the first 991.2 GT3 cars released ?
I imagine that on the third anniversary of that date is when we will see the biggest ( relative) drop in asking price. Until then it’ll continue to be a gentle drop..Again, when was the 1.2 first sold ? Early 2017 ??
Most flippers / very low mile cars will be getting out now as they will be worried about the prices gently plummeting, and people who bought new will now know that they will very soon NOT get list back from their supplying dealer, against a new one, but in the mean time if they have a greed/ forced sale they will ask silly overs, and try to sell through a specialist but in the full knowledge that if they sell now, through a specialist, then they are massively gambling as the OPC dealer may tell them very politely to shove it when their expected rightful next nod nod wink wink car comes in...
This is why specialists are offering cars at prices non too dissimilar to OPC’s I’d say, because if they have a greed / forced sale, then they will take the lower commission from a specialist, and they know they won’t get another from Porsche if they were the first owner and can’t hang on for the next one for some reason
I reckon that OPC’s selling on SOR will be offering little more than list for people selling now, and if they buy one with a few thousand on it , it will be list at best...
Thanks for your post. I imagine that on the third anniversary of that date is when we will see the biggest ( relative) drop in asking price. Until then it’ll continue to be a gentle drop..Again, when was the 1.2 first sold ? Early 2017 ??
Most flippers / very low mile cars will be getting out now as they will be worried about the prices gently plummeting, and people who bought new will now know that they will very soon NOT get list back from their supplying dealer, against a new one, but in the mean time if they have a greed/ forced sale they will ask silly overs, and try to sell through a specialist but in the full knowledge that if they sell now, through a specialist, then they are massively gambling as the OPC dealer may tell them very politely to shove it when their expected rightful next nod nod wink wink car comes in...
This is why specialists are offering cars at prices non too dissimilar to OPC’s I’d say, because if they have a greed / forced sale, then they will take the lower commission from a specialist, and they know they won’t get another from Porsche if they were the first owner and can’t hang on for the next one for some reason
I reckon that OPC’s selling on SOR will be offering little more than list for people selling now, and if they buy one with a few thousand on it , it will be list at best...
To answer your first question, Sept 17.
I think the window of flippers for the .2 GT3 passed many months ago, I think we should agree that if you still have a GT3 now, you’re not a flipper?
Other than that, please excuse me, but you post seems to state the bleeding obvious.....
breadvan said:
Thanks for your post.
To answer your first question, Sept 17.
I think the window of flippers for the .2 GT3 passed many months ago, I think we should agree that if you still have a GT3 now, you’re not a flipper?
Other than that, please excuse me, but you post seems to state the bleeding obvious.....
At last a sensible post..Its true what you say and i can truthfully claim to still own and drive my November 2017 GT3..As i have other cars to enjoy combined with a very busy work and family schedule i don't claim to put high miles on them..Despite this i really enjoy them when time allows..To answer your first question, Sept 17.
I think the window of flippers for the .2 GT3 passed many months ago, I think we should agree that if you still have a GT3 now, you’re not a flipper?
Other than that, please excuse me, but you post seems to state the bleeding obvious.....
GT4RS said:
av185 said:
Jon666 said:
The party is over and everyone has gone home.
Maybe at your house......Av185 do you think these cars are depreciating or appreciating in value?
The post about the GT3 losing most money on its 3rd anniversary mid 2020 takes the biscuit for sure
On prices, as usual, it depends on which cars we are talking about. As has been shown numerous times, spec and to an extent mileage is all. But even with mileage of 13k on an average spec early ex Press car these still sell for over list as we have just recently seen on here.
Makes no odds to me my intention was always to keep mine until late 2019 or early 2020. Imo the gen 2 GT3 in 'manuel' form is one of the best latter day GT Porsches.
I, along with many others take the view that they have most likely bottomed out particularly having regards to the traditional 911 low of mid December. Merely a repeat of what happened with the gen 1 GT3 and GT4 at a similar point in time after launch and following the initial flippers getting out.
Yes there are a few more cars than the gen 1( 332 v c500) but many, principally of the right spec, have sold and the number for sale on the OPC used car locator has constantly remained around 20 as it did with the gen 1 and GT4 too. Similarly many of these cars are either overpriced or I repeat, the wrong spec.
Unless anyone needs to sell now I would suggest this is the worst time to get out akin to selling your shares/funds/cars just after 9/11 and it would be more expensive to buy one back at least until Autumn 2019. This will be further influenced by the approaching GT Porsche peak buying season mid February into March and warmer weather and the now distinct possibility of no further GT3 RS and possibly GT2 RS (both of which PDK only btw) with the 3 RS appearing to be possibly a rather marmite package with the new noise regs filters compliance etc etc sapping power from the albeit 'more powerful' engine.
The GT4 and possibly Spyder will be announced Geneva 2019 with UK deliveries late 2019 possibly early 2020 will have little influence on the GT3 prices. Ditto sound compliance issues with these models and the possibility of turbo on the Spyder maybe making the 718 less attractive as a package v the 981.
So anyone hoping to buy a cheaper gen 2 GT3 by waiting a couple of months into 2019 for lower prices...good luck with that.
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
av185 said:
Jon666 said:
The party is over and everyone has gone home.
Maybe at your house......Av185 do you think these cars are depreciating or appreciating in value?
The post about the GT3 losing most money on its 3rd anniversary mid 2020 takes the biscuit for sure
On prices, as usual, it depends on which cars we are talking about. As has been shown numerous times, spec and to an extent mileage is all. But even with mileage of 13k on an average spec early ex Press car these still sell for over list as we have just recently seen on here.
Makes no odds to me my intention was always to keep mine until late 2019 or early 2020. Imo the gen 2 GT3 in 'manuel' form is one of the best latter day GT Porsches.
I, along with many others take the view that they have most likely bottomed out particularly having regards to the traditional 911 low of mid December. Merely a repeat of what happened with the gen 1 GT3 and GT4 at a similar point in time after launch and following the initial flippers getting out.
Yes there are a few more cars than the gen 1( 332 v c500) but many, principally of the right spec, have sold and the number for sale on the OPC used car locator has constantly remained around 20 as it did with the gen 1 and GT4 too. Similarly many of these cars are either overpriced or I repeat, the wrong spec.
Unless anyone needs to sell now I would suggest this is the worst time to get out akin to selling your shares/funds/cars just after 9/11 and it would be more expensive to buy one back at least until Autumn 2019. This will be further influenced by the approaching GT Porsche peak buying season mid February into March and warmer weather and the now distinct possibility of no further GT3 RS and possibly GT2 RS (both of which PDK only btw) with the 3 RS appearing to be possibly a rather marmite package with the new noise regs filters compliance etc etc sapping power from the albeit 'more powerful' engine.
The GT4 and possibly Spyder will be announced Geneva 2019 with UK deliveries late 2019 possibly early 2020 will have little influence on the GT3 prices. Ditto sound compliance issues with these models and the possibility of turbo on the Spyder maybe making the 718 less attractive as a package v the 981.
So anyone hoping to buy a cheaper gen 2 GT3 by waiting a couple of months into 2019 for lower prices...good luck with that.
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
av185 said:
Jon666 said:
The party is over and everyone has gone home.
Maybe at your house......Av185 do you think these cars are depreciating or appreciating in value?
The post about the GT3 losing most money on its 3rd anniversary mid 2020 takes the biscuit for sure
On prices, as usual, it depends on which cars we are talking about. As has been shown numerous times, spec and to an extent mileage is all. But even with mileage of 13k on an average spec early ex Press car these still sell for over list as we have just recently seen on here.
Makes no odds to me my intention was always to keep mine until late 2019 or early 2020. Imo the gen 2 GT3 in 'manuel' form is one of the best latter day GT Porsches.
I, along with many others take the view that they have most likely bottomed out particularly having regards to the traditional 911 low of mid December. Merely a repeat of what happened with the gen 1 GT3 and GT4 at a similar point in time after launch and following the initial flippers getting out.
Yes there are a few more cars than the gen 1( 332 v c500) but many, principally of the right spec, have sold and the number for sale on the OPC used car locator has constantly remained around 20 as it did with the gen 1 and GT4 too. Similarly many of these cars are either overpriced or I repeat, the wrong spec.
Unless anyone needs to sell now I would suggest this is the worst time to get out akin to selling your shares/funds/cars just after 9/11 and it would be more expensive to buy one back at least until Autumn 2019. This will be further influenced by the approaching GT Porsche peak buying season mid February into March and warmer weather and the now distinct possibility of no further GT3 RS and possibly GT2 RS (both of which PDK only btw) with the 3 RS appearing to be possibly a rather marmite package with the new noise regs filters compliance etc etc sapping power from the albeit 'more powerful' engine.
The GT4 and possibly Spyder will be announced Geneva 2019 with UK deliveries late 2019 possibly early 2020 will have little influence on the GT3 prices. Ditto sound compliance issues with these models and the possibility of turbo on the Spyder maybe making the 718 less attractive as a package v the 981.
So anyone hoping to buy a cheaper gen 2 GT3 by waiting a couple of months into 2019 for lower prices...good luck with that.
I find it odd that you accuse many on here of being arm chair experts, you have no idea of what they own or may have owned or even lined up for. At the moment you appear to be the arm chair expert telling people what make a perfect spec car which is adverse from depreciation.
So do you disagree with many and feel Porsche gt cars aren’t depreciation at present?
I think that anyone betting that 2019 is going to be like the years that precede it is, er, brave.
Most likely outcome right now is no-deal, and whilst I acknowledge that the posters in this thread (myself included) are going to be somewhat insulated from the impact, we all have to eat, statistically there will be some diabetics posting, and there may well be no fuel available to anyone bar the emergency services.
Most likely outcome right now is no-deal, and whilst I acknowledge that the posters in this thread (myself included) are going to be somewhat insulated from the impact, we all have to eat, statistically there will be some diabetics posting, and there may well be no fuel available to anyone bar the emergency services.
Jon666 said:
When new cars start depreciating they never (ever) stop depreciating in the short term.
Sweeping statement of the month.The 991.1 GT3, GT4, 981 Spyder, 991 Turbo S, 997 GTS and 991 GTS contradict your view.
To name but a few.
How about some more?
E90 92 M3 a one way bet.
And for newer stuff I would wager my house and cars that both a 458 Speciale and Performante bought realistically at today's money will appreciate short medium AND long term.
Dammit said:
I think that anyone betting that 2019 is going to be like the years that precede it is, er, brave.
Most likely outcome right now is no-deal, and whilst I acknowledge that the posters in this thread (myself included) are going to be somewhat insulated from the impact, we all have to eat, statistically there will be some diabetics posting, and there may well be no fuel available to anyone bar the emergency services.
Dammit, no fuel,, that's a new one.Most likely outcome right now is no-deal, and whilst I acknowledge that the posters in this thread (myself included) are going to be somewhat insulated from the impact, we all have to eat, statistically there will be some diabetics posting, and there may well be no fuel available to anyone bar the emergency services.
No, it's not - everything we import is going to be very challenging to get. We had rationing of petrol after two days after they blockaded Ellesmere port - now we're going to blockade all the ports.
I imagine rationing would happen from February onward if no-deal becomes the actual situation.
If you're not familiar with this then frankly you've not been paying attention.
I imagine rationing would happen from February onward if no-deal becomes the actual situation.
If you're not familiar with this then frankly you've not been paying attention.
king Brexit. What a joke.av185 said:
Jon666 said:
When new cars start depreciating they never (ever) stop depreciating in the short term.
Sweeping statement of the month.The 991.1 GT3, GT4, 981 Spyder, 991 Turbo S, 997 GTS and 991 GTS contradict your view.
To name but a few.
How about some more?
E90 92 M3 a one way bet.
And for newer stuff I would wager my house and cars that both a 458 Speciale and Performante bought realistically at today's money will appreciate short medium AND long term.
av185 said:
On prices, as usual, it depends on which cars we are talking about. As has been shown numerous times, spec and to an extent mileage is all. But even with mileage of 13k on an average spec early ex Press car these still sell for over list as we have just recently seen on here.
I have paid pretty much list price for the Porsche press car. I'd hardly call it an average spec car. List of £130,106 comprised of £ 2,147 for Interior Colour Black leather interior package (in conjunction with option contrast seams in Red), £ 1,865 for Exterior LED main headlights in black including Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS), £ 203 for SportDesign exterior mirror lower trims painted in Black (high-gloss), £84 for Door handles painted in black (high-gloss), £1,599 for Front axle lift system, £6,498 for Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB), £336 for Chrono Package and preparation for lap trigger, £716 for Wheels painted in satin black (complete), £168 for 12-o'clock marking in Red, £3,324 for Full bucket seats, £194 for Guards Red seat belts, £834 for Leather interior with stitching in red and £336 for Digital radio).
av185 said:
Jon666 said:
When new cars start depreciating they never (ever) stop depreciating in the short term.
Sweeping statement of the month.The 991.1 GT3, GT4, 981 Spyder, 991 Turbo S, 997 GTS and 991 GTS contradict your view.
To name but a few.
How about some more?
E90 92 M3 a one way bet.
And for newer stuff I would wager my house and cars that both a 458 Speciale and Performante bought realistically at today's money will appreciate short medium AND long term.
Everytime I ask you a question directly to a gt3 which you don’t agree with you choose not to answer it in a straight forward manner.
So are you saying that a 991.2 gt3 is not depreciating at the moment?
I bet you have your gt3 up for sale right now trying your best to get out
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