gt3 ...138 cars for sale !!!!

[Porsche911R]

Yellow491 said:

Where did you get that info r re the cage stiffer,or is that a famous r statement.What do you mean?

drive both back to back and come back to me, I have, and when on it the cage pings and creaks, you can tell straight away you are in a caged car over one without, on track It's a strange feeling I was quite shocked how noticeable stiffer it was, but if people are saying the GT4 is stiffer then that's why I would say you can easy notice a GT4 vs a non caged GT3 vs a caged one..

These cars have so much feeling you can tell 40kg's or PCCB or a 0.5 degree geo change.

I love the dam thing it's the best manual car ever produced lol and maybe the best engine also.

the issue is it's too dam fast to enjoy to the full, I find my trips out I am over 140 leptons 8 out of 10 drives.

I am buying a Elise again to bring back the feel all new cars have lost and to bring my speeds down.

But the 991.2 GT3 is a master piece of a car if you like driving it hits every spot.

I don't have the words but this vid always makes me feel so lucky to have one, and just says what I lack the skill too.
https://youtu.be/oaUCdAdaaj8

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 17th December 19:52

[GT4RS]

MartinRS2K said:

av185 said:

The real cat amongst the pigeons at these price levels is the Macari 720S 18 18 plate 1k miles selling instantly as expected at £179950 ap.

Trouble is, being a McLaren it will no doubt be £150k by March.

Although evidently it was a launch edition car.

Although usual lack of Mclaren driving involvement v a rapid 911there is no disputing this Mc is a truly rapid car and epic performance for your money.

It was bought by a car trader to be taken off the market. Make of that what you want??

a. Does he want to hold onto it until March and sell for a profit?
b. Does he have stock at a much higher price and needs this car out of sight so he can move his inflated cars?

Personally I'd say b.

B makes the most sense, brave company trying to flip it for a profit at the moment.

It was clearly priced to sell just like the nice spec 991.2 gt3 which was recently sold by a OPC for what was basically list. I guess it makes sense to move stock on rather than have it sat there for 6 months depreciating each week.

McLarens do seem to be getting a little bit of bad press on the net at the moment for depreciation, which is a shame as they appear to be making some beautiful / very capable cars.

Uncertainty is ahead...

[av185]

Cheib said:

ImOne other thing they commented on was that the PDK doesn’t hold a gear when on the Rev limit even in manual ?

Interesting.

In 'manuel' mode 'manuel' meant proper 'manuel' as the PDK S 991.1 GT3 held on to the gears to the red line without changing gear.

Different software for the gen 2 I guess.

Personally I would prefer the gen 1 system.

[av185]

GT4RS said:

It was clearly priced to sell just like the nice spec 991.2 gt3 which was recently sold by a OPC for what was basically list.

Link?

[GT4RS]

av185 said:

GT4RS said:

Jon666 said:

av185 said:

GT4RS said:

Av185


So are you saying that a 991.2 gt3 is not depreciating at the moment?

I bet you have your gt3 up for sale right now trying your best to get out

If you read my post properly you will find the answer to your questions.

And as I said mines a keeper until at least the end of 2019 early 2020. Makes no odds to me whether it drops to £100k or goes back up to £185k both scenarios of which won't happen btw.

A question for you....are you ever going to buy one or do you intend to spend all your free time posting on here?

Prior to 991.1 every previous generation of GT3 (regular and RS) didn’t take long to drop below 100k. Everything you say is your optimistic speculation (biased as an owner) that you present as fact. I am an owner also but don’t live in denial at the possibility of prices taking a significant dip.

It would appear av185 has firmly placed his head in the sand in terms to the change of market direction. It would appear he may have the only perfect spec cars which could be appreciating as I type. 185k could buy it, the uplift in cost could be due to the leather on the seats not being creased.... its out there on SOR somewhere!

Top comedy.

You clearly still haven't read my post.

If you think my car is for sale I will do a deal. As you have so much time on your hands find it listed and you can have it. I'll even tell you the basic details to make it easier. Flat white 18 18 'manuel' clubsport pccbs P11 Spyder seats extended leather red stitching red belts alcantara carbon chrono red marker dynamic lights platinum wheels stick on front plate base door GT3 decals 2557miles.

If you can't find it by Thursday you can give me your C4S. Deal?

In fact here is a picture:

Edited by av185 on Monday 17th December 19:41

What’s happened to your front number plate, have you not drilled the front bumper to help hold its value or does it make it go faster ?

Ps. lovely car, white always works on a Porsche gt3 car IMO.

Some may say it’s perfect!

[GT4RS]

av185 said:

GT4RS said:

It was clearly priced to sell just like the nice spec 991.2 gt3 which was recently sold by a OPC for what was basically list.

Link?

The fooking chap on here had just confirmed what he paid for it and the spec! I’m pretty sure he directed his spec to you?

[Yellow491]

Porsche911R said:

Yellow491 said:

Where did you get that info r re the cage stiffer,or is that a famous r statement.What do you mean?

drive both back to back and come back to me, I have, and when on it the cage pings and creaks, you can tell straight away you are in a caged car over one without, on track It's a strange feeling I was quite shocked how noticeable stiffer it was, but if people are saying the GT4 is stiffer then that's why I would say you can easy notice a GT4 vs a non caged GT3 vs a caged one..

These cars have so much feeling you can tell 40kg's or PCCB or a 0.5 degree geo change.

I love the dam thing it's the best manual car ever produced lol and maybe the best engine also.

the issue is it's too dam fast to enjoy to the full, I find my trips out I am over 140 leptons 8 out of 10 drives.

I am buying a Elise again to bring back the feel all new cars have lost and to bring my speeds down.

But the 991.2 GT3 is a master piece of a car if you like driving it hits every spot.

I don't have the words but this vid always makes me feel so lucky to have one, and just says what I lack the skill too.
https://youtu.be/oaUCdAdaaj8

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 17th December 19:52

I am intrigued ,you probably find the car is flexing around the cage hence the creaking,its only a bolt in half cage of crappy steel,dont think its t45 or ti.
walter once informed me at the ring,he takes his cage out as it makes no difference to the torsional rigidty of the chassis,especialy on road tyres,a weld in full cage is a differant matter generaly made of t45 or better.
I bet if we carried out a test in a road car /gt3 removing 40 kg from around the car you would know no difference,feel on the steering maybe of ceramic vs steel.

[Steve Rance]

Porsche911R said:

you are not allowed to say "well speced" or "poorly spec " cars it upsets the PH massive.

you have to say "low spec" or "high spec" as to not offend any one.

996 GT3 in comfort are lemons though so it's always been the case, spec a GT wrong and it won't sell at all at old or new.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 17th December 15:57

Which shows that despite thread upon thread of values nonsense the maket knows nothing. Snap up a comfort version of any GT3 and - provided it has buckets - pick up a relative bargain. there are obviously a lot of people out there who like to talk a good game and know the square root of F”””k all.

Nothing new there I suppose

[hunter 66]

Yes Yellow .... as not a driving god like 911R , I cannot tell the difference ... so just get on with the driving ...
Welded in, full cage , in the race car has function . Bolted in " harness bar " main value is it does look great in Knightsbridge .

Edited by hunter 66 on Monday 17th December 22:26

[Phooey]

AndrewD said:

...and Lamborghinis are not like Ferraris when it comes to resale, at all

^^^ and this is the key point here. Lambo’s have always been a different product & market to Ferrari. In time the Performante will be forgotten. The Ferrari will be remembered.

[GT4RS]

Steve Rance said:

Porsche911R said:

you are not allowed to say "well speced" or "poorly spec " cars it upsets the PH massive.

you have to say "low spec" or "high spec" as to not offend any one.

996 GT3 in comfort are lemons though so it's always been the case, spec a GT wrong and it won't sell at all at old or new.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 17th December 15:57

Which shows that despite thread upon thread of values nonsense the maket knows nothing. Snap up a comfort version of any GT3 and - provided it has buckets - pick up a relative bargain. there are obviously a lot of people out there who like to talk a good game and know the square root of F”””k all.

Nothing new there I suppose

This a genuine question so please don’t shoot me down for asking it!

As the road going clubsport pack cages in either a gt3 or gt4 are not full cages or welded in and do not protect the front area of the cabin, what real benefit do the offer?

They obviously add additional level of protection to the mid roof point of the car but this is clearly nothing like the level of protection offered by the cage in the 911 cup car?

Are they really there for looks or do they actually make for a better road / track car?

[Taffy66]

I debated for a while about getting the 'clubsport' pack on my GT3 and in the end capitulated and chose it, mostly as it was a rare 'freebie' from Porsche and it included the six point harnesses and fire extinguisher...And all FOC...!
In complete contrast when i specced my GT4 i never considered the CS pack as it was an expensive £3k option and i saw no benefit whatsoever..It helped my decision as my buddy Walter also didn't like the cage on the GT4 as it upset the balance of the car..
Great minds think alike..

[isaldiri]

GT4RS said:

This a genuine question so please don’t shoot me down for asking it!

As the road going clubsport pack cages in either a gt3 or gt4 are not full cages or welded in and do not protect the front area of the cabin, what real benefit do the offer?

They obviously add additional level of protection to the mid roof point of the car but this is clearly nothing like the level of protection offered by the cage in the 911 cup car?

Are they really there for looks or do they actually make for a better road / track car?

Do tell how you are going to fit harnesses otherwise....?

The bolted half cage on the road cars obviously isn't going to offer the same benefit as a full welded cage as per the motorsport cars but it offers some rollover safety and the ability to fit harnesses without wondering if you'd crack your head without a helmet on the road. Whether or not it offers a very marginal torsional rigidity improvement isn't the point.

[Taffy66]

I felt the cage groaning when cornering 100% on track as the cage fights with the twisting of the bodyshell...However it would take a much better driver than myself to discern if this groaning is an indication that the cage is preventing the bodyshell twisting over a certain point, or just innocent creaking..

[GT4RS]

isaldiri said:

GT4RS said:

This a genuine question so please don’t shoot me down for asking it!

As the road going clubsport pack cages in either a gt3 or gt4 are not full cages or welded in and do not protect the front area of the cabin, what real benefit do the offer?

They obviously add additional level of protection to the mid roof point of the car but this is clearly nothing like the level of protection offered by the cage in the 911 cup car?

Are they really there for looks or do they actually make for a better road / track car?

Do tell how you are going to fit harnesses otherwise....?

The bolted half cage on the road cars obviously isn't going to offer the same benefit as a full welded cage as per the motorsport cars but it offers some rollover safety and the ability to fit harnesses without wondering if you'd crack your head without a helmet on the road. Whether or not it offers a very marginal torsional rigidity improvement isn't the point.

The harness fixing part never crossed my mind, so this is obviously a plus point Int on the track. I’m sure many cs gt3 cars will never see the track and are purely bought as a third car, do these people actually wear a harness when using the car in a normal road situation?

[GT4RS]

Taffy66 said:

I debated for a while about getting the 'clubsport' pack on my GT3 and in the end capitulated and chose it, mostly as it was a rare 'freebie' from Porsche and it included the six point harnesses and fire extinguisher...And all FOC...!
In complete contrast when i specced my GT4 i never considered the CS pack as it was an expensive £3k option and i saw no benefit whatsoever..It helped my decision as my buddy Walter also didn't like the cage on the GT4 as it upset the balance of the car..
Great minds think alike..

I assume you are a wise welsh man!

Out of interest which car do you find the most enjoyable to use on the road gt4 or gt3?

[breadvan]

GT4RS said:

The harness fixing part never crossed my mind, so this is obviously a plus point Int on the track. I’m sure many cs gt3 cars will never see the track and are purely bought as a third car, do these people actually wear a harness when using the car in a normal road situation?

Me going to Waitrose.....

[Taffy66]

GT4RS said:

I assume you are a wise welsh man!

Out of interest which car do you find the most enjoyable to use on the road gt4 or gt3?

I loved my GT4 however i never really 'fell' for it and i think in hindsight i felt the engine lacked sparkle over 6K revs..In complete contrast i'm really smitten with my PDK GT3 but only 100% after fitting my new Titanium exhaust,,Prior to this i thought my GT3 lacked soul at sensible road speeds, with the new exhaust it feels exciting all the time..
Hopefully my new(to me) 458 Italia will be delivered before Xmas which will be a much sterner contest for my affection compared to the GT4..I might keep my GT3 long term and if the new second batch RS is emasculated in any way with the GPF i'll keep my GT3..

ETA Its welshman not a welsh man..It'll come to you..;)

Edited by Taffy66 on Monday 17th December 23:06

[Steve Rance]

To be honest, long gone are the days when a bolted in cage offered and real benefits in terms of stiffness to a 911 body shell although a welded cage in a lighter skickshod car will make a difference. The benefits in a road car are safety related in terms of roll protection and harnesss mounting.

I’d definitely spec Clubsport on a GT3. My earlier post wasn’t aimed at the relevance of the package just the uneducated nature of the market as a whole.

[Yellow491]

Taffy66 said:

I debated for a while about getting the 'clubsport' pack on my GT3 and in the end capitulated and chose it, mostly as it was a rare 'freebie' from Porsche and it included the six point harnesses and fire extinguisher...And all FOC...!
In complete contrast when i specced my GT4 i never considered the CS pack as it was an expensive £3k option and i saw no benefit whatsoever..It helped my decision as my buddy Walter also didn't like the cage on the GT4 as it upset the balance of the car..
Great minds think alike..

Taffy you must have a bit of scotland in you,nothing is free from porsche just a alternative.
Nothing wrong with the clubsport kit,apart from the cage looks like a bolted mess in my car, i am sure i would be glad of it if i turned it over,even if it is a cheaper steel one.
Interesting to see how you get on with the f car,carbon tubs are the future i think.