gt3 ...138 cars for sale !!!!

[av185]

GT4RS said:

av185 said:

Low spec car nowhere near £126k new only c£116k new so premium of £34k.

Also high mileage for 'unused'. Got to love these dealers!!

Distinct possibility that is also a non C16 UK supplied car. Ad doesn't say its one owner either which seems weird.

Caveat emptor!

Edited by av185 on Sunday 14th October 10:28

I have heard it all now, this car has 42miles on the clock from new. The car would of been test driven when the pdi was carried out, transported about when delivered to the supplying OPC and collected from the OPC centre by its new owner and driven straight to this independent selling dealer by the looks of it.

How on earth can you say 42miles is high mileage?

Looking at what’s for sale this spec seems the norm and it’s definitely not a 116k car new. It also has the all important pdk box which seems to be the most popular and commands slightly more money, I personally think this car looks stunning in all black.

I have never had a new Porsche with more than 15 miles on. This is lightly used.

It is a £116k car new.

Check the option costs.

[Phooey]

Trade (OPCs) are writing cheques for approx £10k over list atm for a straight purchase i.e. not a p/x against another vehicle. Some won't pay any more than a couple of grand over list. Some aren't buying full stop. PCCBs aren't recouping the full £6k.

The above is fact.

Aside from that, white and red seem to be struggling (oversupply) and Miami Blue and GT-silver seem to be more sought after. My OPC said Miami is good news. Carbon and LEDs not a deal breaker so again won't recoup full rrp.

£15-25k above list (depending on milage and year) is where they seem to be moving although I think that figure will gradually moving more towards the 15

Edited by Phooey on Sunday 14th October 11:36

[GT4RS]

av185 said:

I have never had a new Porsche with more than 15 miles on. This is lightly used.

It is a £116k car new.

Check the option costs.

I would have to agree with you, in the last ten years I’ve have bought 6 new Porsches and all had around 15 to 20 miles on the clock. The only used Porsche I have bought had just under 3000 miles on the clock and I classed this a very low mileage used car as it was 9 months old at the time.

So one can assume the suppling OPC to the independent now selling this new car is around 20 miles away.

42 miles IMO is still delivery miles! 420 miles is light used!

What makes you think you are sure this is not a C16 UK spec car, is it just because it’s far better value than others currently for sale?

[Porsche911R]

Any thing sub 100 can be classed as dev miles imo.

[av185]

GT4RS said:

What makes you think you are sure this is not a C16 UK spec car, is it just because it’s far better value than others currently for sale?

I am saying it is a distinct possibility. And quite odd that there is no mention of the number of owners and which OPC supplied the car.

A small number of UK OPCs would sell non c16 cars which are worth less than official c16 spec. Always worth checking.

Most UK OPCs would not touch a non c16 Porsche.

[Porsche911R]

Phooey said:

Trade (OPCs) are writing cheques for approx £10k over list atm for a straight purchase i.e. not a p/x against another vehicle. Some won't pay any more than a couple of grand over list. Some aren't buying full stop. PCCBs aren't recouping the full £6k.

The above is fact.

Aside from that, white and red seem to be struggling (oversupply) and Miami Blue and GT-silver seem to be more sought after. My OPC said Miami is good news. Carbon and LEDs not a deal breaker so again won't recoup full rrp.

£15-25k above list (depending on milage and year) is where they seem to be moving although I think that figure will gradually moving more towards the 15

Edited by Phooey on Sunday 14th October 11:36

Prices don’t reflect what OPC pay though.

Atm it’s best to look at list price vs for sale price as some of the higher spec cars look far better value. Pay £150k for a £120k car ! or £155k for a £135k car is a no brainer choice.

Headline cheaper cars look bad value as the specs are pretty st on them.

[Phooey]

Porsche911R said:

Prices don’t reflect what OPC pay though.

Atm it’s best to look at list price vs for sale price as some of the higher spec cars look far better value. Pay £150k for a £120k car ! or £155k for a £135k car is a no brainer choice.

Headline cheaper cars look bad value as the specs are pretty st on them.

Exactly. Certainly nail on head of what I'm trying to say in respect of retained value of optional extras - higher spec cars are better value because any options other than leather, Clubsport, lift, and paint don't retain money.

Without having a *thorough* look at whats out there atm I would say the JZM car is one of the best value .2GT3s for sale. I bet £150k would buy it. What would be the list on that car? £140K? A £120k list car is (today) always going to be £145k because that is the bottom line of getting into a gen2 car. A £135-£140k car might be advertised at £160-165k but in reality it's a £150k car.

[av185]

Phooey said:

Exactly. Certainly nail on head of what I'm trying to say in respect of retained value of optional extras - higher spec cars are better value because any options other than leather, Clubsport, lift, and paint don't retain money.

Without having a *thorough* look at whats out there atm I would say the JZM car is one of the best value .2GT3s for sale. I bet £150k would buy it. What would be the list on that car? £140K? A £120k list car is (today) always going to be £145k because that is the bottom line of getting into a gen2 car. A £135-£140k car might be advertised at £160-165k but in reality it's a £150k car.

Hi P I agree that Agate JZM car looks good value and nice spec and mileage at £156900. List would have been early £130ks.

Interesting they also have a nice spec 2 owner 15 plate Riviera blue gen 1 GT3 £10k miler with steels at £125k. Must be one of the last gen 1s.

[Phooey]

Hi, yes that PTS gen1 looks fantastic. Can’t believe it’s still for sale - probably a reflection of the market.

I’d of thought the Agate gen2 would be nearer 140k?

[av185]

It's the same spec as mine which was £130k except for metallic, camera and a few other bits.

You missing yours yet?

[Porsche911R]

Riviera blue gen 1 is well over priced, gen 1's need to be £100k imo

good to see very high prices on gen 1 though, keeps gen 2 high

[av185]

Porsche911R said:

Riviera blue gen 1 is well over priced, gen 1's need to be £100k imo

good to see very high prices on gen 1 though, keeps gen 2 high

Although someone's just paid £91900 (ap) for a yellow good spec non cage 15 reg GT4 as seen on the GT4 thread.

A similar aged 15 plate PTS gen 1 GT3 is worth considerably more.

[throt]

Specially if you haven’t drilled the front bumper for the plate.

No drill holes = better resale . At least 10k, buds..

[Porsche911R]

av185 said:

Although someone's just paid £91900 (ap) for a yellow good spec non cage 15 reg GT4 as seen on the GT4 thread.

A similar aged 15 plate PTS gen 1 GT3 is worth considerably more.

£92k for a GT4 is suicide, but if there are buyers then so be it.

trades is at £70k on these on a good day atm.

[GT4RS]

Porsche911R said:

av185 said:

Although someone's just paid £91900 (ap) for a yellow good spec non cage 15 reg GT4 as seen on the GT4 thread.

A similar aged 15 plate PTS gen 1 GT3 is worth considerably more.

£92k for a GT4 is suicide, but if there are buyers then so be it.

trades is at £70k on these on a good day atm.

92k for a gt4 is no more suicide than 160k for a year old gt3. Looking at the market you will loose similar money

[Porsche911R]

GT4RS said:

92k for a gt4 is no more suicide than 160k for a year old gt3. Looking at the market you will loose similar money

doubt it.

people really are looking at bottom line prices over spec, well forum wanabe's are lol
Phooey old car as an example will never sell at £150k while cars at £160k are selling.

Spec is key to a sale, and buyers are not stupid asking for retail cost of a car when buying. the Black PDK car is now the cheapest for sale, but by far one of the worst value cars for sale !

OPC will talk options down to offer less as a buy in price, that's just sales for you, but buyers are not that stupid.

if a buyer wants to pay say £15k overs for a car that's what they will pay, not £30k overs on a crap spec car just because it's the cheapest.

you also get buyers\chancers wanting a £140k car for £145k that again has always happens and will quote really poor specs cars back to you over the phone.

when selling my cars, even dealers quoted market value for the cheapest lowest spec car for sale, then want very high spec cars for the same !!! life is not like that sorry to say lol

95% of the time a cheap car has a story or a spec issue. you pointed out a £149k car which was a £120k car list !!! and said it's good value !!!

atm what ever the doom on forums is you get the PCCB cost price back imo as real buyers will look at the real overs cost on the cars they want.

[breadvan]

Phooey said:

Trade (OPCs) are writing cheques for approx £10k over list atm for a straight purchase i.e. not a p/x against another vehicle. Some won't pay any more than a couple of grand over list. Some aren't buying full stop. PCCBs aren't recouping the full £6k.

The above is fact.

Aside from that, white and red seem to be struggling (oversupply) and Miami Blue and GT-silver seem to be more sought after. My OPC said Miami is good news. Carbon and LEDs not a deal breaker so again won't recoup full rrp.

£15-25k above list (depending on milage and year) is where they seem to be moving although I think that figure will gradually moving more towards the 15

Edited by Phooey on Sunday 14th October 11:36

Just been offered £12k over list, outright purchase. I do have painted vents though.....

[SC50]

GT4RS said:

I would have to agree with you, in the last ten years I’ve have bought 6 new Porsches and all had around 15 to 20 miles on the clock. The only used Porsche I have bought had just under 3000 miles on the clock and I classed this a very low mileage used car as it was 9 months old at the time.

So one can assume the suppling OPC to the independent now selling this new car is around 20 miles away.

42 miles IMO is still delivery miles! 420 miles is light used!

What makes you think you are sure this is not a C16 UK spec car, is it just because it’s far better value than others currently for sale?

I had a look at the car this week and came from OPC Sheffield and 1 owner car

[SC50]

GT4RS said:

I would have to agree with you, in the last ten years I’ve have bought 6 new Porsches and all had around 15 to 20 miles on the clock. The only used Porsche I have bought had just under 3000 miles on the clock and I classed this a very low mileage used car as it was 9 months old at the time.

So one can assume the suppling OPC to the independent now selling this new car is around 20 miles away.

42 miles IMO is still delivery miles! 420 miles is light used!

What makes you think you are sure this is not a C16 UK spec car, is it just because it’s far better value than others currently for sale?

I had a look at the car this week and came from OPC Sheffield and 1 owner car

[Phooey]

av185 said:

You missing yours yet?

It's early days yet so no not really. However I do miss walking into the garage and seeing it - the GT3 is a pretty car. If I can be honest, I've driven a couple of 991.2 GTSs this year (one manual and the other PDK) and for my wants and needs.. it's a better car (for me). My fave 911 at the mo is a GTS Targa. I also quite like the idea of a black 991.2 C4S - bit cheaper than a GTS but looks as good (IMO).