gt3 ...138 cars for sale !!!!

[Method123]

Taffy66 said:

Method123 said:

The engine is basically the same 4.0l lump, the GT3 turns in better and feels more nimble imo when using it for what 90% of people use them for..the odd track day and the odd euro adventure,

I covered 6k mileage in the GT3 and 4K in the RS...here is the contradiction coming the RS around the track at the top end and when you are really on it feels ones of the most planted cars I have ever tracked I have tracked a few!

The RS is great if you want to garage it and track it regularly but as for a Sunday drive out there are better cars...shame most won’t ever see a track or In some cases the outdoors! Lol


So yes the RS is a very capable car and was a prilivage to have owned and driven one around Europe but I would take a standard Gt3 everyday of the week.....

As a 991.2GT3 owner and in the running to get a new RS if a second batch comes, i find your comments interesting..I also think the GT3 is a great car and whether its worth it to upgrade to the RS, or just keep my GT3 and put a Titanium exhaust and ultra light wheels on..
Could you be more specific regarding why you think the GT3 is better..Does the RS feel faster or just the same as the GT3.?

Is it faster well that is a good question? It’s not all about the out and out speed but feel.....I feel I can drive the GT3 faster around the track than the RS the RS feels bigger and more of a handful unless you are right up at the top end exploring the level of grip which it has, then it comes into its own...you only have to look at the lap time 7.11 vs 6.54 which yes in racing terms is a lot but in the real world .17secs is not a lot over 14 miles or so..

As for should you get It that really depends what you will be using it for, I love Porsche’s and have owned too many!! But I’m not making it up when I say the 991.2 4.0l lump is probably the best engine they have ever produced coupled with the Gt3 it’s the ultimate usable supercar! Oh and by the way the GT3 sounds better if both have stock exhausts...

[hunter 66]

Agree TDT, gt4 is really balanced which is a key aspect . Method123 , love the aero package on the car in front at the public day ... haha . Taffy66 if you want a fast car experience have a go in a 720S ... a big step up

Edited by hunter 66 on Monday 22 October 15:24

[short-shift]

Cheib said:

I think the margins on 911's are the same across the board and will be a single digit % I think. Don't know what the deal is on the options I suspect they are different from the basic car because they are ( I understand) all invoiced individually between OPC and Supplier (no idea whether that is Porsche GB or AG).

Important to make the distinction between the profitability and returns made at Porsche AG, on the one hand, and by the dealer network on the other hand.

Within Porsche AG, it is likely that each programme (eg: GT3, GT3RS, etc) will be justified and approved primarlily in terms of a financial return that is calculated by taking into account (i) the model-specific investment costs, including manpower, development, tooling and related costs, (ii) the model-specific variable costs (including the cost effect of componentry that is unique to that model and any dedicated labour costs) and (iii) projected build and sales volumes, and then assessing whether the overall programme return satisfies the required corporate hurdle rate. This approach takes into account projected returns (or programme profit levels) for the parent company, expressed in both monetary and percentage terms. It may well be that the halo programmes, such as the GT cars, are approved with a lower level of financial return (in percentage terms) at programme level than the programmes for more mainstream cars because of the positioning and profile contributions that these specialist cars bring to the Porsche brand.

Then, within the distribution (OPC) network, the dealer margin will be a related but essentially separate issue. It could be that each model line within the Porsche line-up is targeted to produce a common percentage margin (so, for example, all 911's might be priced to achieve the same dealer margin of x%) or there could be variations within a given model line (for instance, cooking 911's might achieve y% whilst GT models are priced to generate z%, or whatever). I don't see any reason why, though, the dealer-level margins on GT cars should be any lower than those for other 911's.

I guess that, outside of Porsche AG, no-one will know the programme hurdle rates and, outside of Porsche AG or Porsche Cars GB, no-one will know what the UK dealer margin structure is, per model, either.

But it isn't a case of "one number fits all"!

James

Edited by short-shift on Monday 22 October 16:49

[Cheib]

If I was thinking about moving up to a 991.2 GT3 RS I’d be wanting to know what it’s like driving it on normal roads. Sounds daft given it’s obviously a track focused machine but I think most people are going to drive these cars on the road too...maybe that’s where the GT3 shines a bit in comparison ? No idea as not driven the RS.

[Method123]

Cheib said:

If I was thinking about moving up to a 991.2 GT3 RS I’d be wanting to know what it’s like driving it on normal roads. Sounds daft given it’s obviously a track focused machine but I think most people are going to drive these cars on the road too...maybe that’s where the GT3 shines a bit in comparison ? No idea as not driven the RS.

They are ok but not as good a standard GT3 imo...
If you have the chance of getting one I would never talk someone out of it, worst case sell it I’m sure you will get your money back but would end up paying £20/£30k over to get back in a good spec GT3 so what you might make on the RS will get swallowed up changing back.....

Q the haters for saying you could sell it! Lol lol

[Yellow491]

anonymous said:

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Not going to get into any comments with you moose as you lost any credability you had some time ago by calling people school yards names etc.

As for my comments, i used to work in a company that produced parts for pretty much most manufacturers in the world at the time,including porsche engine components such as camshafts for 911 from the basic to turbo at the time,involved in the drawing office designing hollow camshafts for the 928 etc,the costs were very similar or even the same what ever model.
Pistons would be similar price for what ever model,yes ti conrods would be expensive,but they are still made in there multi thousands,6000 plus rs and how many gt3 of the last model,at a guess at least double the rs,so say at least 20,000 cars with just about the same engine components,and parts already developed/manufactured in the cup cars and previouse models.
As porsche have said in the past what a profitable business it is even producing cup cars in there thousands now,where they do have you is on the mechanical parts,as you cant get them anywhere else if you want the real deal which are grossly overpriced.
Recently purchased 6 ti conrods through porsche motorsport as not available else where at £6000.00,the sum of a spare new engine is not the total sum of the parts.
You could purchase a new rsr tub for 30,000 euros a couple of years ago return the old tub and get 7000 back,so thats a total new body shell for 23000 odd euros,they are still makeing on that,the retail on the whole car was about 350k basic.

Must say the lateral grip in the new rs is staggering for a road car,very impressed with it at silverstone,not so much at donnington,great car.

[hunter 66]

HahaYellow agree Porsche engine parts are eye watering as we know .
At Donny the tyres were not let down so over inflated ......
As for on the road , I feel it is like any GT firm but well appointed a bit soft compared to the older RS models .
Even my wife finds it comfortable ( after reluctantly getting in on seeing the wing ) ..

[av185]

Method123 said:

The engine is basically the same 4.0l lump, the GT3 turns in better and feels more nimble imo when using it for what 90% of people use them for..the odd track day and the odd euro adventure,

I covered 6k mileage in the GT3 and 4K in the RS...here is the contradiction coming the RS around the track at the top end and when you are really on it feels ones of the most planted cars I have ever tracked I have tracked a few!

The RS is great if you want to garage it and track it regularly but as for a Sunday drive out there are better cars...shame most won’t ever see a track or In some cases the outdoors! Lol


So yes the RS is a very capable car and was a prilivage to have owned and driven one around Europe but I would take a standard Gt3 everyday of the week.....

Interesting thanks I think this confirms my view that the latest GT3 is the sweet spot especially for road use.

I haven't driven a 991.2 GT3RS but have used a 991.1GT3 RS at length and tbh there felt little between this and my 991.1 GT3 at the time. And one feels a bit ott doing the supermarket shop in the RS compared to a GT3!

Must admit the engine on the gen 2 GT3 never fails to impress way over and above the gen 1 and whilst being a fan of PDK on the right car, the 'manuel' box suits the car perfectly and certainly adds another level of driving involvement.

[Yellow491]

hunter 66 said:

HahaYellow agree Porsche engine parts are eye watering as we know .
At Donny the tyres were not let down so over inflated ......
As for on the road , I feel it is like any GT firm but well appointed a bit soft compared to the older RS models .
Even my wife finds it comfortable ( after reluctantly getting in on seeing the wing ) ..

Hi mate,after silverstone mighty impressed for a road car,surprised wifey will sit next to you;)

[hunter 66]

I leave it in auto , changes gear at 2-3k ......when she is there ...... keeps the peace ..

[angussampson]

I understand that for all us GT3 appreciators, it’s doesn’t require a great leap of faith to buy into the theory, that for the
lucky few, Porsche are doing a HUGE favour, in letting us have a car for so little when really the true value is so much higher.

The profits on most consumer items are massive , and that’s probably true with the GT3, or at the very least it’s breaking even . We get far too used to thinking values are similar to price
S for all sorts of consumer items..


Would the same thing be said if interest rates were 5% and there was a recession?

[majordad]

anonymous said:

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Lay off Moose, you’re not adding one bit of value to the thread with comments like this. Tackle the ball , not the man.

[RBT0]

You won't believe it! You won't!

Today, for the first time, got a call from a Porsche dealer that wanted to revise its first offer on a .2 GT3!

I mean, what happened to that big arrogance proper of an average Porsche salesman trying to sell a .2 GT3?

No worries guys, he was still asking too much....

[Juno]

RBT0 said:

You won't believe it! You won't!

Today, for the first time, got a call from a Porsche dealer that wanted to revise its first offer on a .2 GT3!

I mean, what happened to that big arrogance proper of an average Porsche salesman trying to sell a .2 GT3?

No worries guys, he was still asking too much....

If you want one just buy the fking thing,drive it,listen to it,enjoy it.

What’s too much anyway,there still 60-80k cheaper than the alternatives,that’s if there are alternatives!

The only car I would condider in the same breath is a Performante!!!

[Method123]

RBT0 said:

You won't believe it! You won't!

Today, for the first time, got a call from a Porsche dealer that wanted to revise its first offer on a .2 GT3!

I mean, what happened to that big arrogance proper of an average Porsche salesman trying to sell a .2 GT3?

No worries guys, he was still asking too much....

What do you call too much?

[Yellow491]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Major,i would not bother he aint worth it,just look at the inmature reply you have now recieved,its sad really.

[Juno]

Are we buying these cars or talking about them

Come on guys, crack on there's 138 for sale

[av185]

Juno said:

Are we buying these cars or talking about them

Come on guys, crack on there's 138 for sale

And a quick look at the OPC stock reveals only 21 winged 991.2 GT3s for sale at varying prices.

Many are very badly specced.

5 red, 3 GT silver, 3 white, 3 sapphire, 2 carmine, 2 grey, 1 yellow , 1 black, 1 Miami.

Interesting there are 13 PDK and only 8 'manuels.'

Even more interesting is that there are only 3 good spec PDK clubsports and 3 good spec 'manuel' clubsports.

[hornbaek]

TDT said:

Taffy66 said:

As a 991.2GT3 owner and in the running to get a new RS if a second batch comes, i find your comments interesting..I also think the GT3 is a great car and whether its worth it to upgrade to the RS, or just keep my GT3 and put a Titanium exhaust and ultra light wheels on..
Could you be more specific regarding why you think the GT3 is better..Does the RS feel faster or just the same as the GT3.?

I'd imagine its about degrees of involvement and feedback.

The RS is a now a weapon to be deployed on a track.... It's all about the lap time and getting around as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Locked down and laser focussed.
The GT3 will probably give a greater sense of involvement or feedback earlier as its limits are lower vs the RS which then mean depending on how you drive you're going to be brushing these limits (even on the road) more often and feeling like you are getting the most out of the car - which makes it more exciting. It's a game of diminishing returns dependant on your own limit/preferences/wallet.

In my rides out in RS's 991.1 and 991.2 - I've been impressed by the speed - and for the act of chasing a quick lap - yes that will be fun... but then I think about am I having the same kind of fun that i have in my little GT4... at present I don't think so - and maybe that changes as my experiences grow.

The old adage... more fun to drive a slow car, fast, that a fast car, slow.... (relatively speaking)

Edited by TDT on Monday 22 October 15:07

Interesting discussion. As said elesewhere on the forum I have now done 10.000 km in my 991 GT3 RS so can comment on the GT3 / GT3 RD dilemma. I think the real question (given lack of availabiliy) is between a 991/2 GT3 or 991/1 GT3 RS and which to choose. The 991 GT3 RS is far more usable than previous RSs (I have a 997 GT3 RS 4.0) so can be used as a daily but with some reservations:
- it is noisy inside
- the 918 seats are kind of marmite
- rearward visibility is limited and there are no parking sensors/camera
- its very sensitive to grooves in the road
- it looks pretty hardcore
- the wing - its big

It has clear advantages as well:
- it has road presense over the GT3 (which looks like a normal 991)
- it has a huge amount of downforce. I drive a lot on the Autobahn and at 250+ you really feel the difference
- front end is much more stable at high speeds and at turn in.
- braking stability from high speed

For the UK, the "normal" GT3 might be the best choice. On the Continent where you can stretch the legs of the car a bit more, and on track days the RS has the upper hand. Just my opinion btw.

[Juno]

av185 said:

Juno said:

Are we buying these cars or talking about them

Come on guys, crack on there's 138 for sale

And a quick look at the OPC stock reveals only 21 winged 991.2 GT3s for sale at varying prices.

Many are very badly specced.

5 red, 3 GT silver, 3 white, 3 sapphire, 2 carmine, 2 grey, 1 yellow , 1 black, 1 Miami.

Interesting there are 13 PDK and only 8 'manuels.'

Even more interesting is that there are only 3 good spec PDK clubsports and 3 good spec 'manuel' clubsports.

Yes I have said something similar on a previous thread, when you break it down there really aren't that many good cars about. The OPC group I use don't have a single .2 GT3 car for sale and the one i bought didn't even make it to be advertised. Once these are in the hands of the new owners as keeper cars I don't think there will be many good spec cars available come spring next year.

Edited by Juno on Wednesday 24th October 10:09