Porsche 911 GT2 RS: The Ultimate Road Review - Carfection

[topboss]

Purple Man said:

So do you think the GT3 is better than the GT3RS.?
It obviously is not, everyone with a GT3 would swop it for a GT3RS if they could have had that build slot.

For me the key thing is how a car makes you feel. I’m lucky enough to have a 991.2 GT3, 991.2 GT3RS and 991 GT2RS, the GT3 is my favourite out of them

[Taffy66]

topboss said:

For me the key thing is how a car makes you feel. I’m lucky enough to have a 991.2 GT3, 991.2 GT3RS and 991 GT2RS, the GT3 is my favourite out of them

As a current owner of a 991.2 GT3 PDK and probably getting an RS if a second batch materialises i'm interested in the pros/cons between the two..Can you elaborate in more detail on why you prefer the GT3 over RS to help my future decision process, as i'm only interested in driving enjoyment rather than values for flipping for profit..
I've heard quite a few owners preferring the new GT3 over the RS, however for reasons which escape me TBO..

Edited by Taffy66 on Wednesday 17th October 11:31

[Phooey]

APOLO1 said:

On my reading HCs comment with regard to the GT3MT, is more to do with the connection that a manual box gives. No matter how good any PDK DCT is etc its never going replicate this interaction

Exactly. Just because HC prefers a manual doesn't mean to say the 3 is a better car than the 2, and vice versa, and I don't think he's actually saying it's "better"... It's what floats his boat. Some might find the 2RS too much, but from a 'moving the game on' perspective, you can't argue it isn't in another league.

[APOLO1]

Taffy66 said:

As a current owner of a 991.2 GT3 PDK and probably getting an RS if a second batch materialises i'm interested in the pros/cons between the two..Can you elaborate in more detail on why you prefer the GT3 over RS

I have a GT3RS.2 but have not been on track yet in it. So can not comment as a track car. I did however do lots of track days in a 91RS, thought it was great fun. Then came the GT3.2PDK. This was not so much as an event as the 91RS. But it was quite a reasonable step up in TQ on the lower end and the Map on the PDK was sharper also. But it was not as much fun as an event as the 91RS on track, mainly due to the extra grip front end turn in etc, that the RS had over the GT3. Then I put the following settings on my GT3.2.

Front ride height (-15mm)
Rear ride height (-12mm)
Front bar (mid)
Rear bar (stiff)
Front camber (-2.45)
Rear camber (-2.15)
Front toe (+1.5mm per side)
Rear toe (-2.0mm per side)

Whist it lost a bit of its road driveability, like a bit darty due to the camber on less than smooth road surfaces. On track this completely transformed the car into what was in my eyes a better track car than my 91RS. The front end turn in and rear grip in the corners had to be experienced to be believed. Only this time unlike the 91RS the GT3.2 had added advantage of more TQ lower down for exiting the slow corners and the faster MAP on the PDK.

I have taken a few of you out on here in the GT3.2. You know what I am on about.

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 17th October 12:18

[MDL111]

APOLO1 said:

On my reading HCs comment with regard to the GT3MT, is more to do with the connection that a manual box gives. No matter how good any PDK DCT is etc its never going replicate this interaction. But from my prospective having driven lots of 911s over the past almost 40 years, the 2RS for a road 911 is as good as it gets. Feel very lucky to own one.

I guess it is also a question of how many cars you have access to. If say you have a 997 GT3 and a couple of other/older manual cars in the garage, then imo it makes much more sense to get a 991 GT2 or 3 RS as a complementary car. While if you only have one car and like manual transmissions (who doesn't...), then the 991 GT3 might make perfect sense/be the best option.

[Porsche911R]

Purple Man said:

So do you think the GT3 is better than the GT3RS.?
It obviously is not, everyone with a GT3 would swop it for a GT3RS if they could have had that build slot.
HC probably can not afford a GT2RS or that level of 450k supercar.

It is a little bit like the wife analogy, I would like to take Rita Ora out to Manchester this weekend, in the Sky Bar then onto the Hilton. But I’m not in the Superstar League. So I will be happy to take my wife to the local three pints and Chicken in a basket, and tell myself “it does not get any better that this”

So you can keep telling yourself you’ve got a GT2RS beater!

Me, if I won the lottery, I would give the wife her share, buy a GT2RS, get into Manchester and find myself a supermodel,that matches my new super car!

??????

I did not say better or worse ! , I have not said anything or voiced an opinion in this thread but quote HC choice in his top GT car !. (which had me correcting another posters mistake) as I do like a FACT to be a Fact :-)

As for taking a RS slot over my car, I only buy manual cars so no choice for me. As for girls and bars, my GF is fit as you like and I can think of better places to go than Sky bar and Hilton lol

.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 17th October 12:32

[APOLO1]

MDL111 said:

I guess it is also a question of how many cars you have access to. If say you have a 997 GT3 and a couple of other/older manual cars in the garage, then imo it makes much more sense to get a 991 GT2 or 3 RS as a complementary car. While if you only have one car and like manual transmissions (who doesn't...), then the 991 GT3 might make perfect sense/be the best option.

Good Point, I think if in had to chose one 911 to drive on road for say the next few years. From a fun to drive point. As good as the 2RS is. The 991R would just pip it. Reason being the level of interaction that the SMFW gives, its lightness, less soundproofing and the way in which its system's are calibrated to be more playful.

[AndrewD]

If we are going to widen the net though D, I would vote 997 4.0RS over the R, though I understand why some would go for the R as it is awesome also.

[APOLO1]

AndrewD said:

If we are going to widen the net though D, I would vote 997 4.0RS over the R, though I understand why some would go for the R as it is awesome also.

Hi A,
As good as the 9974.0 is, I get the Metzer point also. But in my eyes whist it was the best of the 997 GT generation. It was the lack of front end grip when pushed hard on track that makes the 991R just pip it for me.

[Robbo66]

AndrewD said:

If we are going to widen the net though D, I would vote 997 4.0RS over the R, though I understand why some would go for the R as it is awesome also.

Interesting, personally I would take the R over any of the 997/991 GT car iterations, and a 65 SWB over the lot.

[AndrewD]

The rear wheel steer is a bit cheating though. Part of the fun of the 4.0 (and actually the 996RS come to think of it) is that it works you to get the most out of it.

Widening the net to a 65 swb- haha! In that case I would go 73RS of course

[Porsche911R]

My friend will take an offer for his 65 RHD SWB car, :-) PM me if interested. Last seen as the official Goodwood classic Course car.
Very rare car.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 17th October 13:28

[AndrewD]

Lovely thing indeed. Happy however with my 73RS.

[hunter 66]

APOLLO did you make as many changes to the 2RS as a much stiffer sprung car ? Was thinking of just doing a camber change and maybe 10mm down in the front so halfway change . Still on Dunlops although they have worn a bit after a few TD's .
As for RS over GT3 , as with all the models it is only a small % and needs generally a stronger driver ( not myself ) to optimise these small areas . So unless tracking a bit not really needed unless you like the styling .
May remove the wing for winter driving in town , so RS T spec

[APOLO1]

hunter 66 said:

APOLLO did you make as many changes to the 2RS as a much stiffer sprung car ? Was thinking of just doing a camber change and maybe 10mm down in the front so halfway change . Still on Dunlops although they have worn a bit after a few TD's .
As for RS over GT3 , as with all the models it is only a small % and needs generally a stronger driver ( not myself ) to optimise these small areas . So unless tracking a bit not really needed unless you like the styling .
May remove the wing for winter driving in town , so RS T spec

On the 2RS, no not at all. Just a bit more camber front an rear, Tow left as stock and lowered the ride height for more rake at the front. Did not want to go to far like on the GT3 as I also like to drive it on the road.

This will make a big difference to the 3RS.2 but you will struggle to get more than 1.6 on the Front without it catching on the arches.

[RSVP911]

Purple Man said:

So do you think the GT3 is better than the GT3RS.?
It obviously is not, everyone with a GT3 would swop it for a GT3RS if they could have had that build slot.
HC probably can not afford a GT2RS or that level of 450k supercar.

It is a little bit like the wife analogy, I would like to take Rita Ora out to Manchester this weekend, in the Sky Bar then onto the Hilton. But I’m not in the Superstar League. So I will be happy to take my wife to the local three pints and Chicken in a basket, and tell myself “it does not get any better that this”

So you can keep telling yourself you’ve got a GT2RS beater!

Me, if I won the lottery, I would give the wife her share, buy a GT2RS, get into Manchester and find myself a supermodel,that matches my new super car!

??????

Have to disagree with you - I would not swap my 991.2 GT3 manual for a 991.2 RS.

Also, I really hope your wife doesn’t read PH

[hunter 66]

Thanks APOLLO Yes was told , may need shims by FS , so a mild adjustment then . When pushing on a bit , it moves around a fair bit but not sure if it is the Dunlop's as well . Was really good using lots of kerb , just had some understeer .
But as you say it is essentially a road car .
Saw a 2RS with R's on but again step too far ..

Edited by hunter 66 on Wednesday 17th October 18:00

[APOLO1]

hunter 66 said:

Thanks APOLLO Yes was told , may need shims by FS , so a mild adjustment then . When pushing on a bit , it moves around a fair bit but not sure if it is the Dunlop's as well . Was really good using lots of kerb, just had some understeer .But as you say it is essentially a road car .Saw a 2RS with R's on but again step too far ..

Edited by hunter 66 on Wednesday 17th October 15:56

If you can when ready, I would try and move away from Dunlop's. Whist they do offer a bit better wet weather grip than the Cups, they don't quite offer the same quality as the new N2 Cups on track. Also they take a lot more dial downs before they get close to stable. Based on my experience.

Yes Shims is must to go over 1.5 on the front. I know what you mean about the Cup R, have put a set on 2RS just to try them. But very expensive, don't think I will be replacing them with same.

[nn7man]

Much as I love it, the 991.2 GT3 is for someone who couldn't get a 991.2 GT3 RS let alone a 991.2 GT2 RS.

[GT4RS]

nn7man said:

Much as I love it, the 991.2 GT3 is for someone who couldn't get a 991.2 GT3 RS let alone a 991.2 GT2 RS.

Gt2rs at list was only for Porsche’s special customers. I see nothing wrong with this as it’s priced for accordingly, it appears plenty are getting used as designed too.

Lucky buggers, best looking gt car made to date IMO.