Driving your GT3!
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
It's all coming inc. RS SUS parts :-)
BBS Fi-R, liteBlox battery, RS sus items, a very focused geo and some graphics which might split opinion !!!
Can I goto work now :-)
I'm doing the same as you and have already decided on JCR's Ti bypass..I love the bbs Fi-r but am waiting on prices from the equally light HRE R-101 LW to compare..I've also looked at the Litebox but prefer AntiGravity's much higher capacity and cheaper ATX 30 R.BBS Fi-R, liteBlox battery, RS sus items, a very focused geo and some graphics which might split opinion !!!
Can I goto work now :-)
Taffy66 said:
Porsche911R said:
It's all coming inc. RS SUS parts :-)
BBS Fi-R, liteBlox battery, RS sus items, a very focused geo and some graphics which might split opinion !!!
Can I goto work now :-)
I'm doing the same as you and have already decided on JCR's Ti bypass..I love the bbs Fi-r but am waiting on prices from the equally light HRE R-101 LW to compare..I've also looked at the Litebox but prefer AntiGravity's much higher capacity and cheaper ATX 30 R.BBS Fi-R, liteBlox battery, RS sus items, a very focused geo and some graphics which might split opinion !!!
Can I goto work now :-)
IMI A said:
HRE charge the same but the forging process is inferior to BBS. I’d suggest BBS for sure if money not an issue. BBS F1 R pretty reasonable nowadays compared to OPC carbon wheels and other after market wheels etc . Think I was quoted £7k Inc tyres, balancing and fitting.
Thanks for the tip..Taffy66 said:
I'm doing the same as you and have already decided on JCR's Ti bypass..I love the bbs Fi-r but am waiting on prices from the equally light HRE R-101 LW to compare..I've also looked at the Litebox but prefer AntiGravity's much higher capacity and cheaper ATX 30 R.
With all due respect, if you really wanted to make a difference, for all that amount of money per above, imo you would be much better off just going for a top of the line set of motorsport dampers. Tractive if you want to keep PASM functionality if not Ohlins TTX and get someone who really knows what he's doing to get the car setup (correct spring rates for what you want to do with the car etc). That would make an actual difference to the car's dynamics rather than throwing money at a lot of expensive kit that commonly gets touted as the latest 'must have' add-ons for a weight difference that's probably less than what you get between an empty and full tank of fuel.isaldiri said:
With all due respect, if you really wanted to make a difference, for all that amount of money per above, imo you would be much better off just going for a top of the line set of motorsport dampers. Tractive if you want to keep PASM functionality if not Ohlins TTX and get someone who really knows what he's doing to get the car setup (correct spring rates for what you want to do with the car etc). That would make an actual difference to the car's dynamics rather than throwing money at a lot of expensive kit that commonly gets touted as the latest 'must have' add-ons for a weight difference that's probably less than what you get between an empty and full tank of fuel.
That'a fair point you're making as the three items above is £10K for about 40kg saving..I might get that phone call out of the blue soon with an RS allocation which will be a similar decision process on whether its worth paying £20k for a Weissach pack to save a measly 30kg..
Taffy66 said:
isaldiri said:
With all due respect, if you really wanted to make a difference, for all that amount of money per above, imo you would be much better off just going for a top of the line set of motorsport dampers. Tractive if you want to keep PASM functionality if not Ohlins TTX and get someone who really knows what he's doing to get the car setup (correct spring rates for what you want to do with the car etc). That would make an actual difference to the car's dynamics rather than throwing money at a lot of expensive kit that commonly gets touted as the latest 'must have' add-ons for a weight difference that's probably less than what you get between an empty and full tank of fuel.
That'a fair point you're making as the three items above is £10K for about 40kg saving..I might get that phone call out of the blue soon with an RS allocation which will be a similar decision process on whether its worth paying £20k for a Weissach pack to save a measly 30kg..Only problem with complex dampers,is as you say the setting up,which can go backwards,there are good dampers out there that are not so difficult to set up,what they will do well is give you better grip and feel if they are set up well on that particular day and conditions.
Lightweight wheels can and do crack.
Motorsport pro teams some tine ago would bugdget a £1000 per kg as worth it,but thats already on a light car,even down to ti harness mount rings.
Yellow491 said:
Totally spot on,haveing spent 20 years lightweighting cars for competitions,you need a min of 100kg on a 1200kg car to even notice a small change.
Only problem with complex dampers,is as you say the setting up,which can go backwards,there are good dampers out there that are not so difficult to set up,what they will do well is give you better grip and feel if they are set up well on that particular day and conditions.
Lightweight wheels can and do crack.
Motorsport pro teams some tine ago would bugdget a £1000 per kg as worth it,but thats already on a light car,even down to ti harness mount rings.
I can easy feel 50kg in a car, and I hate the weight of a person in my cars.Only problem with complex dampers,is as you say the setting up,which can go backwards,there are good dampers out there that are not so difficult to set up,what they will do well is give you better grip and feel if they are set up well on that particular day and conditions.
Lightweight wheels can and do crack.
Motorsport pro teams some tine ago would bugdget a £1000 per kg as worth it,but thats already on a light car,even down to ti harness mount rings.
100kg is massive and would add quite a lot to my braking points also causes way more heat in the brakes etc etc.
But rotating mass I do expect to feel a difference on the wheels as it’s quite a big change.
It’s not about spending money on tat though, we are not flippers so just enjoying a hobby where we can buy better parts to make the car better and quality parts sell well 2nd hand also when done, just fun, people spend £1k on a golf club I bet but have a handicap of 30 odd.
I love modding cars, my Spyder is an amazing car and feels great, I am so in tune with it I can tell 30kg or a tank of fuel in that car.
A few choice mods where Porsche have to build a car to a price can transform a car.
I spent £380 on my GT4 which allowed a proper geo due to buying toe links, transformed the car to a point I kept it over selling it, oem set up GT4 are not good but 80% people drive them oem.
People say Porsche are under priced but they do cut a lot of corners over Ferrari or lambo £250k cars. Hence they are only £110k and you have to add £20k options a lambo already has.
The bi pass has already made a massive difference in the sound of the car on WOT and taken 10kg off the rear of the car and given bhp gains it’s a triple win even if it only in your mind.
Shocks is tricky as the later cars really do have quite good sus over the 997 PASM rubbish.
And most after market shock up the spring rates 4x which ruins the car on the road, I have been in 3 or 4 kw3 shod cars and they have been ruined and I do mean way too firm.
Yes I wish I had basic 2 ways as I know how to set up a car, but I don’t want RS spring rates and atm not fining shocks to be a weak point in the GT3. I am still getting use to the extra bhp as I come from car with 150bhp less.
Battery is always the biggest bang for buck on weight, then seats.
Wheels is for a new look and pose value and pub talk, I like both the car to be better but also like to be different. I will be very interested if I notice the weight difference. But also they will give me a feel good factor, and I don’t mind saying as much.
It’s only money really at the end of the day and life is short to not enjoy your hobby to the max.
I am sure the few RS sus parts will give me more feel in the steering due to monoballing key parts. I have not driven a new RS to see if there is more feed back over a standard car.
But it has to offer greater feel.
If I had a 997 GT3 shocks would be at the top of the list and short final drive. atm the new GT3 is better then me by quite a long way.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 27th October 09:55
Porsche911R said:
I can easy feel 50kg in a car, and I hate the weight of a person in my cars.
100kg is massive and would add quite a lot to my braking points also causes way more heat in the brakes etc etc.
But rotating mass I do expect to feel a difference on the wheels as it’s quite a big change.
It’s not about spending money on tat though, we are not flippers so just enjoying a hobby where we can buy better parts to make the car better and quality parts sell well 2nd hand also when done, just fun, people spend £1k on a golf club I bet but have a handicap of 30 odd.
I love modding cars, my Spyder is an amazing car and feels great, I am so in tune with it I can tell 30kg or a tank of fuel in that car.
A few choice mods where Porsche have to build a car to a price can transform a car.
I spent £380 on my GT4 which allowed a proper geo due to buying toe links, transformed the car to a point I kept it over selling it, oem set up GT4 are not good but 80% people drive them oem.
People say Porsche are under priced but they do cut a lot of corners over Ferrari or lambo £250k cars. Hence they are only £110k and you have to add £20k options a lambo already has.
The bi pass has already made a massive difference in the sound of the car on WOT and taken 10kg off the rear of the car and given bhp gains it’s a triple win even if it only in your mind.
Shocks is tricky as the later cars really do have quite good sus over the 997 PASM rubbish.
And most after market shock up the spring rates 4x which ruins the car on the road, I have been in 3 or 4 kw3 shod cars and they have been ruined and I do mean way too firm.
Yes I wish I had basic 2 ways as I know how to set up a car, but I don’t want RS spring rates and atm not fining shocks to be a weak point in the GT3. I am still getting use to the extra bhp as I come from car with 150bhp less.
Battery is always the biggest bang for buck on weight, then seats.
Wheels is for a new look and pose value and pub talk, I like both the car to be better but also like to be different. I will be very interested if I notice the weight difference. But also they will give me a feel good factor, and I don’t mind saying as much.
It’s only money really at the end of the day and life is short to not enjoy your hobby to the max.
I am sure the few RS sus parts will give me more feel in the steering due to monoballing key parts. I have not driven a new RS to see if there is more feed back over a standard car.
But it has to offer greater feel.
If I had a 997 GT3 shocks would be at the top of the list and short final drive. atm the new GT3 is better then me by quite a long way.
The weight of some one sat in the passenger seat or in the rear is completely different ,to weight elsewhere in the car.30 kg or 50 willnot make much if any difference on the clock in a road car.100kg is massive and would add quite a lot to my braking points also causes way more heat in the brakes etc etc.
But rotating mass I do expect to feel a difference on the wheels as it’s quite a big change.
It’s not about spending money on tat though, we are not flippers so just enjoying a hobby where we can buy better parts to make the car better and quality parts sell well 2nd hand also when done, just fun, people spend £1k on a golf club I bet but have a handicap of 30 odd.
I love modding cars, my Spyder is an amazing car and feels great, I am so in tune with it I can tell 30kg or a tank of fuel in that car.
A few choice mods where Porsche have to build a car to a price can transform a car.
I spent £380 on my GT4 which allowed a proper geo due to buying toe links, transformed the car to a point I kept it over selling it, oem set up GT4 are not good but 80% people drive them oem.
People say Porsche are under priced but they do cut a lot of corners over Ferrari or lambo £250k cars. Hence they are only £110k and you have to add £20k options a lambo already has.
The bi pass has already made a massive difference in the sound of the car on WOT and taken 10kg off the rear of the car and given bhp gains it’s a triple win even if it only in your mind.
Shocks is tricky as the later cars really do have quite good sus over the 997 PASM rubbish.
And most after market shock up the spring rates 4x which ruins the car on the road, I have been in 3 or 4 kw3 shod cars and they have been ruined and I do mean way too firm.
Yes I wish I had basic 2 ways as I know how to set up a car, but I don’t want RS spring rates and atm not fining shocks to be a weak point in the GT3. I am still getting use to the extra bhp as I come from car with 150bhp less.
Battery is always the biggest bang for buck on weight, then seats.
Wheels is for a new look and pose value and pub talk, I like both the car to be better but also like to be different. I will be very interested if I notice the weight difference. But also they will give me a feel good factor, and I don’t mind saying as much.
It’s only money really at the end of the day and life is short to not enjoy your hobby to the max.
I am sure the few RS sus parts will give me more feel in the steering due to monoballing key parts. I have not driven a new RS to see if there is more feed back over a standard car.
But it has to offer greater feel.
If I had a 997 GT3 shocks would be at the top of the list and short final drive. atm the new GT3 is better then me by quite a long way.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 27th October 09:55
You will notice fuel load dropping,if the car is well set up in a 911.
My batteries weigh 0.9 of a kg and only £200 but thats in a car that weights 895kg,did i notice taking a 14kg battery out,no not really,did it make any differance on the clock,no not really.
A question how do you flat shift in a H pattern gt3 box with helical gears,no one has answered this for me yet.
Edited by Yellow491 on Saturday 27th October 12:34
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But rotating mass I do expect to feel a difference on the wheels as it’s quite a big change.
Good point. I had drive over the summer in a friend's GT2RS back to back with mine, his car was one of the later ones that came on steel wheels, and not the 14kg Lighter Magnesium ones. You can really feel the difference in the steering.
But rotating mass I do expect to feel a difference on the wheels as it’s quite a big change.
Good point. I had drive over the summer in a friend's GT2RS back to back with mine, his car was one of the later ones that came on steel wheels, and not the 14kg Lighter Magnesium ones. You can really feel the difference in the steering.
Some interesting points being made about weight saving. Maybe most of it is psychological but I do also hate having passengers as you really notice the extra weight.
I like the idea of having the same power output as an RS. So to achieve this all I need is the same airflow intakes and titanium exhaust? @911r, how much do Porsche charge for these?
Another thing, technically the car is now modified from stock so where do you stand with the warranty, even if using oem parts?
Guessing you also inform your insurers?
I like the idea of having the same power output as an RS. So to achieve this all I need is the same airflow intakes and titanium exhaust? @911r, how much do Porsche charge for these?
Another thing, technically the car is now modified from stock so where do you stand with the warranty, even if using oem parts?
Guessing you also inform your insurers?
browngt3 said:
Some interesting points being made about weight saving. Maybe most of it is psychological but I do also hate having passengers as you really notice the extra weight.
I like the idea of having the same power output as an RS. So to achieve this all I need is the same airflow intakes and titanium exhaust? @911r, how much do Porsche charge for these?
Another thing, technically the car is now modified from stock so where do you stand with the warranty, even if using oem parts?
Guessing you also inform your insurers?
They won't be able to renegade on a warranty claim unless they can prove in court that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the claim..From what i gather a rear bypass, lighter wheels, Li ion battery,lighter wheels, K&N filter are all fine as it'll be impossible to prove that they caused an OEM part to fail..I like the idea of having the same power output as an RS. So to achieve this all I need is the same airflow intakes and titanium exhaust? @911r, how much do Porsche charge for these?
Another thing, technically the car is now modified from stock so where do you stand with the warranty, even if using oem parts?
Guessing you also inform your insurers?
Replacing or interfering with the ECU however is quite another matter and would void any warranty claim regarding the engine,powertrain etc..
Taffy66 said:
browngt3 said:
Some interesting points being made about weight saving. Maybe most of it is psychological but I do also hate having passengers as you really notice the extra weight.
I like the idea of having the same power output as an RS. So to achieve this all I need is the same airflow intakes and titanium exhaust? @911r, how much do Porsche charge for these?
Another thing, technically the car is now modified from stock so where do you stand with the warranty, even if using oem parts?
Guessing you also inform your insurers?
They won't be able to renegade on a warranty claim unless they can prove in court that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the claim..From what i gather a rear bypass, lighter wheels, Li ion battery,lighter wheels, K&N filter are all fine as it'll be impossible to prove that they caused an OEM part to fail..I like the idea of having the same power output as an RS. So to achieve this all I need is the same airflow intakes and titanium exhaust? @911r, how much do Porsche charge for these?
Another thing, technically the car is now modified from stock so where do you stand with the warranty, even if using oem parts?
Guessing you also inform your insurers?
Replacing or interfering with the ECU however is quite another matter and would void any warranty claim regarding the engine,powertrain etc..
Not so bad to swap out wheels and exhaust once a year but other non OEM items would be a ball ache.
993rsr said:
One issue there will be is come warranty renewal, I ran BBS forged on a 997 and they would not renew the warranty without the OEM wheels fitted.
Not so bad to swap out wheels and exhaust once a year but other non OEM items would be a ball ache.
That's correct as i was only referring to making a warranty claim within an existing warranty period,,Porsche will point blank refuse to extend a warranty unless the car in question was returned to 100% OEM spec..This would include everything mentioned above but even include non N spec tyres, non OEM wipers, lights,rear camera etc.They are allowed to stipulate this however by EU law they can't refuse a warranty claim for the aforementioned reasons.Not so bad to swap out wheels and exhaust once a year but other non OEM items would be a ball ache.
If a warranty needs to be extended then its better to remove all non OEM parts and replace them once warranty has been issued.
Yellow491 said:
A question how do you flat shift in a H pattern gt3 box with helical gears,no one has answered this for me yet.
As opposed to straight-cut, you mean? Not sure why you would expect it to make a difference; the gear sets are in constant mesh whether helical or straight cut.James
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